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[Travado]

hmm

Orbis: Jimi Hendrix
Durango: Stevie Ray Vaughn
Wii U: Guy on Youtube playing Iron Man?

Lmao!!!

Orbis = Celebi
Durango = Snorlax
WiiU = Zigzagoon

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

You guys are seriously Jaded over some ads on the Dashboard that you don't even have to look at. Just fucking click play game.

No use saying that. Like selective hearing, people get mad at what they choose to get mad at unfortunantley.

 

[Rapstah]

You guys are seriously Jaded over some ads on the Dashboard that you don't even have to look at. Just fucking click play game.

With Durango, you don't click play game, you experience play game. Please, get your theoretical terminology straight.

 

[EvB]

Only $5 more a month and you can get Xbox Live Platinum™ which removes the Xbox ads that pop up in the middle of the movie that you got at Redbox. A great value, it's all about giving the user choices.

Also you'll get all the bomba content and games that nobody can sell anymore for free!
Only thing is there are only 8 games for the first 12 months, so you don't get anything except the games you already bought on launch day.

 

[Durante]

Don't overreact, platinum is pretty much always on sale and those 5 bucks a month wouldn't even buy you a coffee at starbucks.

/clap

 

[oversitting]

Well, the Xbox360 eDRAM had 256GB/sec. of internal bandwidth between ROPS and eDRAM but only 32GB/sec. of external bandwidth to the parent die. Thus, I think that the 102GB/sec. spec is probably the external bandwidth, not the internal one.

Since the ROPs aren't on the SRAM going by the info we have so far. It looks like the GPU will access the SRAM at 102GB/s.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Hate to beat a dead horse but all this talk about clock speeds not necessarily meaning a whole lot in terms of performance, would this not be the same for the Wii U's low CPU clock speed?

From my limited understanding there's still a huge dearth in performance, tri-core PPC at 1.2 GHz capable of around ~15 GFLOPS total vs an 8-core x86 at 1.6 GHz capable of ~13 GFLOPS/core.

 

[oversitting]

With Durango, you don't click play game, you experience play game. Please, get your theoretical terminology straight.

"You are the game"

 

[imjust1n]

Can we now capture from the system itself with using hdmi in and out. If so forget using a pvr capture device. I just want to stream my games to my computer and then on to twitch.

 

[Ironchef3500]

Been reading this thread all day and don't see a lot about bc. Are we just thinking it's a pipe dream. I'm talking about regular 360 games, not arcade. Thoughts? I'd really like to have it.

 

[i-Lo]

"You are the game"

So you can be bought and sold on the market.

 

[JonathanPower]

Since the ROPs aren't on the SRAM going by the info we have so far. It looks like the GPU will access the SRAM at 102GB/s.

But if the ROPs aren't in the ESRAM this would defeat the purpose of having the ESRAM, which is to provide the ROPs with the highest possible bandwidth.

 

[Ryoku]

Lmao!!!

Orbis = Celebi
Durango = Snorlax
WiiU = Zigzagoon

Wii U is an EV-trained Zigzagoon D:

 

[Wolves Evolve]

Been reading this thread all day and don't see a lot about bc. Are we just thinking it's a pipe dream. I'm talking about regular 360 games, not arcade. Thoughts? I'd really like to have it.

Someone is about to rush in and tell you to keep your 360 because that's what it's for, and they buy new consoles for new games.

 

[Monas]

We don't know how custom the Durango GPU so don't go by raw numbers or you will be wrong. It's just like when the Xenos and the RSX came out and everyone was saying that the RSX was more powerful because it could do more GFlops; the Xenos turned out to be a much much better gpu but the cell helped it a lot.

Well MS and Sony had a different approach in current Gen HW.
For Sony traditionally the whole system must act as a Graphics powerhouse, where everything helps to push pixels.
MS on the other hand, saw it as more of a traditional system. A CPU that does cpu stuff and a gfx chip that does gfx stuff.
The devs preferred 360s' approach while the PS3 still has to give and it ages better.

For next gen from what the rumors show, both companies have a similar approach.

Unless something else happens...

 

[somuchwater]

Where did I say NO human intervention, it should be MUCH less than Xbox1 to 360 is all I"m saying...........was every single game that works in MAME or any software emulator re-written from the ground up, no of course not and thats using pure brute force CPU....Microsoft has the benefit of GPU<>GPU portability and DirectX commonalities\tools.

I'm talking about the portability of the existing code , of course if your going from non-managed non Microsoft native code to MS managed code it's not that simple but do you really think no one at Microsoft saw this issue coming down the road and planned for it?

Again I'm not an expert but if downloadable Live games are not compatible with 720 Microsoft looses ALL CREDIBILITY in this area and I just don't see that happening.

I think perhaps you're confusing your own priorities with Microsoft's. I totally understand the idea that it'd burn some consumers if they couldn't move their existing digital collections over to the new box.

That said, what is ideal from a gamer's perspective and what is technically and financially feasible are two separate things. The chances of either console having BC is extremely low. If they do, it'd not only be a technical marvel, but it'd the sort of megaton that would make GAF explode in surprise.

 

[Ironchef3500]

Someone is about to rush in and tell you to keep your 360 because that's what it's for, and they buy new consoles for new games.

Oh. I will keep both was just wondering. I understand the architecture differences so I'm not getting my hopes up, I just feel somehow every new generation should play the last. But I that's my opinion as a consumer

 

[pharmboy044]

Been reading this thread all day and don't see a lot about bc. Are we just thinking it's a pipe dream. I'm talking about regular 360 games, not arcade. Thoughts? I'd really like to have it.

A couple of guys that know stuff mentioned earlier in the thread that it will be in the system initially but will be removed from later versions of the hardware.

 

[DieH@rd]

Hate to beat a dead horse but all this talk about clock speeds not necessarily meaning a whole lot in terms of performance, would this not be the same for the Wii U's low CPU clock speed?

No.This time performance will be very high. X720/PS4 are using latest CPU/GPU architectures, with high powered memory bandwidths, large memory pools and specialized processing block that will relieve CPU/GPU blocks from many workloads.

WiiU on the other hand uses very old tech, carefully crafted to just be "good enough" for 720p gaming that came with PS3/X360. WiiU is not EVEN CLOSE to X720/PS4 preformance levels.

 

[FrankT]

I think perhaps you're confusing your own priorities with Microsoft's. I totally understand the idea that it'd burn some consumers if they couldn't move their existing digital collections over to the new box.

That said, what is ideal from a gamer's perspective and what is technically and financially feasible are two separate things. The chances of either console having BC is extremely low. If they do, it'd not only be a technical marvel, but it'd the sort of megaton that would make GAF explode in surprise.

For the next Xbox I disagree.

 

[Can Crusher]

No.This time performance will be very high. X720/PS4 are using latest CPU/GPU architectures, with high powered memory bandwidths, large memory pools and specialized processing block that will relieve CPU/GPU blocks from many workloads.

WiiU on the other hand uses very old tech, carefully crafted to just be "good enough" for 720p gaming that came with PS3/X360. WiiU is not EVEN CLOSE to X720/PS4 preformance levels.

It's much closer than the Wii was to the Ps3 for example.

 

[Cartman86]

So Miracast (WiFi Alliances airplay alternative) requires Wi-Fi Direct. Is it the same for Airplay? I wonder if this is a sign of a streaming component. To my knowledge there is nothing out there saying that Microsoft supports Miracast anywhere yet, but maybe they will with this. Could always use some other tech I suppose.

 

[Chittagong]

Orbis: Michael Pachter
Durango: Jeff Bell
Wii U: Dennis Dyack

 

[oversitting]

But if the ROPs aren't in the ESRAM this would defeat the purpose of having the ESRAM, which is to provide the ROPs with the highest possible bandwidth.

As of right now, all I can see is it saves power and allows for some post processing when using it as a frame buffer.

 

[Proelite]

"You are the game"

Look in the upper right of your screen.

 

[delta25]

From my limited understanding there's still a huge dearth in performance, tri-core PPC at 1.2 GHz capable of around ~15 GFLOPS total vs an 8-core x86 at 1.6 GHz capable of ~13 GFLOPS/core.

I'm confused, so the Wii U is capable of more GFLOPS?

edit: I get it, per core?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Someone is about to rush in and tell you to keep your 360 because that's what it's for, and they buy new consoles for new games.

Took the words out of my mouth

 

[Ironchef3500]

A couple of guys that know stuff mentioned earlier in the thread that it will be in the system initially but will be removed from later versions of the hardware.

Thanks

 

[gaming_noob]

Look in the upper right of your screen.

Kinect 2.0 can track your eyes?

 

[sp3000]

I'm confused, so the Wii U is capable of more GFLOPS?

13 GFLOPS per core x 8

as opposed to 15 total

 

[amstradcpc]

Well, for those who knows something.Is the 1.2 tflops GPU behaving like a 680GTX, as hyped, with these data movers or not?.

 

[Itchy//Tasty]

had to laugh at the sub-heading on the Eurogamer article on this. 'Durango Unchained'. Well played, sirs.

 

[Proelite]

Orbis: Panther IV
Durango: T-34/85
Wii U: Matilda II

PC: KonigsTiger

 

[DieH@rd]

I'm confused, so the Wii U is capable of more GFLOPS?

He just told you that entire WiiU CPU is little faster than ONE CORE [of 8] of PS4/Durango. And we still dont have all info, its possible that one Jaguar core is faster.

 

[Ironchef3500]

Took the words out of my mouth

It just gets hard to have all my systems out at once you know... Small child running around.. Limited space

 

[Oblivion]

- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)

Holy shit.

I know people make fun of Nintendo for going with cheap tech and all, but at least they never went backwards.

 

[oldergamer]

From my limited understanding there's still a huge dearth in performance, tri-core PPC at 1.2 GHz capable of around ~15 GFLOPS total vs an 8-core x86 at 1.6 GHz capable of ~13 GFLOPS/core.

I don't think it's x86 cpu's. MS wouldn't be able to sub-license this for a custom design from AMD or AMD's x86 license would be revoked. The CPU has to be some custom or variant on the 360 cpu imo.

 

[i-Lo]

Look in the upper right of your screen.

I assume you have PM'd him with more "spilled beans" pertaining to the controller. Most intriguing.

 

[SapientWolf]

Holy shit.

I know people make fun of Nintendo for going with cheap tech and all, but at least they never went backwards.

It's probably a high IPC/low clock type of architecture.

 

[delta25]

13 GFLOPS per core x 8

as opposed to 15 total

got it. That's a huge fucking difference.

for the layman, what exactly is a GFLOPS, what's its purpose?

 

[Boss Man]

got it. That's a huge fucking difference.

for the layman, what exactly is a GFLOPS, what's its purpose?

It helps to spin more Gigaderpz.

 

[Cartman86]

It's also worth noting if they do the HDMI pass-through then their controller interface will need to be interesting. Do they go the Google TV route with the keyboard?

Will all be about smart glass or some some crazy WiiU style Gamepad controller? Will there be an on screen solution? Press the Guide button on a standard controller and you will get TV options? That seems like a cumbersome system. Will they even attempt to integrate the cable box and the Xbox or will having that on the same input be enough? Just use your existing Comcast remote? Right now Google TV has you enter in your Cable Box model, TV listings etc so it can also control the Cable Box. I believe it does that through HDMI. At least when I cover my Google TV up with a towel it still changes channels on the DVR. The TV though requires an IR blaster. This leaked thing says nothing of one of those does it? I don't see any cable companies letting Microsoft do any more than Google has been able to do. Technically right now I don't think they even could. Too many cable boxes wouldn't support it.

 

[Biggzy]

got it. That's a huge fucking difference.

for the layman, what exactly is a GFLOPS, what's its purpose?

It's a measure of computing performance.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

how does my tri-core 18gigs of RAM and GTX 660 compare to this thing

 

[SneakyStephan]

Orbis: Panther IV
Durango: T-34/85
Wii U: Matilda II

PC: KonigsTiger

You mean PC: IS-3

Vastly superior. (btw you totally missed the opportunity for a master race joke by only making pc a german tank)

 

[Xdrive05]

Does this mean that we have 1.6GHz processors for ALL THREE consoles this gen? I know that's not what matters for performance, it's the architecture, but I just find that fact interesting.

A year or two ago I would have never guessed we would see such low clock speeds on the next-gen CPUs. Again, I know that doesn't make or break the thing by itself.

 

[Proelite]

You mean PC: IS-3

Vastly superior. (btw you totally missed the opportunity for a master race joke by only making pc a german tank)

IS3 is a crap tank that primarily used for propaganda purposes.

If your PC was hard and combersome to use, and broke down regularly, then maybe the comparison is apt.

 

[oldergamer]

Actually i bet the CPU is either better build 360 cpu ( 8 of them) or 8 high performance low power ARM cores. Weren't MS rumored to be looking into making a custom arm design?

 

[Proelite]

how does my tri-core 18gigs of RAM and GTX 660 compare to this thing

10% weaker than Durango at running Durango ports.

Not joking.

 

[Boss Man]

Does this mean that we have 1.6GHz processors for ALL THREE consoles this gen? I know that's not what matters for performance, it's the architecture, but I just find that fact interesting.

A year or two ago I would have never guessed we would see such low clock speeds on the next-gen CPUs. Again, I know that doesn't make or break the thing by itself.

Eh, it's kind of like talking about how big your gladiators are when you're about to fight a war with rifles.

Maybe not that extreme, but you get the idea.