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[CLEEK]

Oh boy you have no idea. lol.

The proposed BC hardware block confirmed!

 

[Karak]

There are times where I secretly hope that both consoles are going to be equally underpowered.

The meltdown would be beautiful.

Joking aside, I would be rather glad if both Sony and MS took different directions. Then it would make even more sense for dual purchases.

They are both more than powerful enough to offer next gen though. Really when you think about it.

 

[Karma]

Oh boy you have no idea. lol.

See there it is. The 360 chipset is in the 720.

 

[Plinko]

I don't know what or who to believe any more.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Where did you get that quote?

Proelite

And doesn't alpha kits usually have better hardware than the final?

MS is different.

 

[coldfoot]

Buy two Nextboxen, incest them through the HDMI-in, double da graffix.

But why do that when you can buy one xbox, connect hdmi out to hdmi in and get infinite graphics?

 

[i-Lo]

They are both more than powerful enough to offer next gen though. Really when you think about it.

Do you know anything about PS4?

 

[Can Crusher]

See there it is. The 360 chipset is in the 720.

So? SOC for BC in the higher Sku =/= more performance. It's a Ps3 situation, hardware BC in, then later it's out.

That doesn't improve ze situation

 

[thehypocrite]

Actually my questions, as I made clear when I left that night. Were about CLOUD Computing. Thats why I asked the thread for help. Almost all of my questions revolved around that. I got random bits about MS staying on point. I assumed they meant the power point.
My original idea was that the 720 was "missing" uhmp because MS had made some headway in cloud computing. But that wasn't backed up.

As I have stated before. This isn't a tech guru like what I assume other contacts are. That's why I don't usually have exacts for that but instead for random bits, and if something cool comes down the line like the HDMI in.

Hopefully that stays in.

EDIT: And the bullshit I couldn't understand revolved around HSA efficiency and he told to study memory architecture and other stuff I still don't even get. I stopped trying to figure it out or write it up after a couple hours.

That makes sense, in regards to HSA, it's using GCN or GCN2?

 

[Karak]

Do you know anything about PS4?

No by specs alone. I mean. Maybe it won't be the awe inspiring jump we saw last time. But these specs aren't anything to ignore.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

But why do that when you can buy one xbox, connect hdmi out to hdmi in and get infinite graphics?

That the human eye will never see

 

[Glorified G]

Speaking of bc, I really hope Durango has it in full comparability. I have a pre-slim 360 and it would be nice in case it fails to play all the games on Durango.

 

[Uno Venova]

So are people still getting labeled "Orbis fanboy" if they think the name "secret sauce" is stupid?

Spoiler

and wizard juice even worse

looks like it. Infact it means they apparently think 720 is the next WiiU or some other melodramatic nonsense as alluded by some of the posts above.

When both the consoles are exactly going to be the same it is going to be hilarious.

There has been a ton of projecting itt.

 

[Proelite]

Speaking of bc, I really hope Durango has it in full comparability. I have a pre-slim 360 and it would be nice in case it fails to play all the games on Durango.

Better pray hard.

Dynamic interpretation / emulation on Jaguar cores is going to be quite the technical challenge. It would have been a cinch if they went with steamrollers.

 

[Jadedx]

You know what's funny, 3-4 sources have said they are even, but all gaf gas been trying to do is damage their credibility.

 

[Toski]

So? SOC for BC in the higher Sku =/= more performance. It's a Ps3 situation, hardware BC in, then later it's out.

That doesn't improve ze situation

The secret sauce is the 360 chipset.

 

[FuturusX]

No by specs alone. I mean. Maybe it won't be the awe inspiring jump we saw last time. But these specs aren't anything to ignore.

I think therein lies the issue. The hardcore want the same jump we had last time. Problem is the industry took a nasty bruise from the jump and is afraid to jump as far.

Perhaps that's a good thing. Time to focus on new control, design and gameplay elements rather than just visual fidelity.

I think we all know that MS will be going deeper in with kinect 2.0, the specs we have more than meet the needs to push that agenda.

 

[Can Crusher]

The secret sauce is the 360 chipset.

Terrible sauce.

Better pray hard.

Dynamic interpretation / emulation on Jaguar cores is going to be quite the technical challenge. It would have been a cinch if they went with steamrollers.

So it's not for BS?

Loop.

 

[Karak]

I think therein lies the issue. The hardcore want the same jump we had last time. Problem is the industry took a nasty bruise from the jump and is afraid to jump as far.

Perhaps that's a good thing. Time to focus on new control, design and gameplay elements rather than just visual fidelity.

I think we all know that MS will be going deeper in with kinect 2.0 the specs we have more than meet the needs to push that agenda.

Maybe so but I don't see how those specs can't be wonderful from a closed box perspective. Some weaknesses sure. But seriously compared to what we have now...and what we see now? A big big jump.

 

[i-Lo]

No by specs alone. I mean. Maybe it won't be the awe inspiring jump we saw last time. But these specs aren't anything to ignore.

Well, we are already in HD and are getting to the point where the "little things" that add to immersion and graphical hitches (AA, AF, abrupt LoD pop ins etc) that detract from it, will be the key focus of next gen technology.

Also, in your opinion how close to this (including cloth animations) are we going to get in real time (and I must dance dangerously close to the edge so as to avoid losing our bet) if push came to shove at 720p30fps?

 

[Proelite]

Terrible sauce.

That did be terribly amazing and expensive. Free up all eight cores and 8GB of ram for pure gaming.

 

[meta4]

I think therein lies the issue. The hardcore want the same jump we had last time. Problem is the industry took a nasty bruise from the jump and is afraid to jump as far.

Perhaps that's a good thing. Time to focus on new control, design and gameplay elements rather than just visual fidelity.

I think we all know that MS will be going deeper in with kinect 2.0, the specs we have more than meet the needs to push that agenda.

But stuff like Watch Dogs, 1313 etc feel like a big enough jump. If they can achieve those visuals and that too at launch it will be more than enough for the hardcore guys to get excited.

 

[JaggedSac]

It's gonna suck hard if arcade purchases do not carry over.

 

[Karak]

Well, we are already in HD and are getting to the point where the "little things" that add to immersion and graphical hitches (AA, AF, abrupt LoD pop ins etc) that detract from it, will be the key focus of next gen technology.

Also, in your opinion how close to this are we going to get in real time (and I must dance dangerously close to the edge so as to avoid losing our bet) if push came to shove at 720p30fps?

I don't see how they couldn't at some point to that. It looks great but technically unfeasible? No not even. That doesn't include if much of that is on rails, or in corridors kinds of things. But I don't see any reason whatsoever we won't hit that.

You will still lose your bet

It's gonna suck hard if arcade purchases do not carry over.

And even harder if they don't figure out how to make Gold 100% worth it.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

That did be terribly amazing and expensive. Free up all eight cores and 8GB of ram for pure gaming.

For realz?

 

[Dreamgazer]

They are both more than powerful enough to offer next gen though. Really when you think about it.

Oh, I'm sure of that.
Just saying, as someone who sincerely want to own both systems, having them exactly equal in functionality would be boring. As offensive as it may sound, having some sort of set-top box/dvr capability in the nextbox actually doesn't sound that bad. I imagine it's going to be largely the same for the casual or "semi-core" crowd who won't be too concerned.

Again, I have no ill intentions or desire to see one trump over another.

 

[Proelite]

I think people are forgetting that we're not going to have the 3 times resolutions increase of last generation and the learning curve of multithreaded programming.

In addition, both Sony and MS would have a better grasp on making systems that have no bottlenecks and making better tools.

The 8-10x jump we have for next generation is going be more impactful on launch day / year than the 15-20x jump of last generation.

 

[Proelite]

For realz?

Yeah?

360 SOC and the extra wiring it needs on the mobo will certainly add up to at least $50 per unit and cost valuable engineering time and budget.

 

[Karak]

Oh, I'm sure of that.
Just saying, as someone who sincerely want to own both systems, having them exactly equal in functionality would be boring. As offensive as it may sound, having some sort of set-top box/dvr capability in the nextbox actually doesn't sound that bad. I imagine it's going to be largely the same for the casual or "semi-core" crowd who won't be too concerned.

Again, I have no ill intentions or desire to see one trump over another.

I don't think its offsensive to want a warm, hot, hottest kind of setup.
I just don't see these 2 systems in some strange way being hampered.

 

[i-Lo]

I don't see how they couldn't at some point to that. It looks great but technically unfeasible? No not even. That doesn't include if much of that is on rails, or in corridors kinds of things. But I don't see any reason whatsoever we won't hit that.

You will still lose your bet

I want fidelity very close to it in a semi-open world game akin to Deus Ex: HR or ME. Also, care to hazard a guess on whether we will see the end of 2D backdrops (discounting plain sky) that can be easily discernible (Halo 4, I am staring at you)?

And pertaining to our bet, I will not lie, it does worry me.

 

[OrbitingCow]

I think people are forgetting that we're not going to have the 3 times resolutions increase as last generation and the learning curve of multithreaded programming.

In addition, both Sony and MS would have a better grasp on making systems that have no bottlenecks and making better tools.

The 8-10x jump we have for next generation is going be more impactful on launch day / year than the 15-20x jump of last generation.

Agreed. These guys have learned a megaton from this gen. Next gen is going to be much easier in some ways, tools/porting, and much harder with the work put into making everything more realistic and bug free.

 

[coldfoot]

That the human eye will never see

It was never meant to be seen by puny humans.

 

[XtremeXpider]

I think people are forgetting that we're not going to have the 3 times resolutions increase of last generation and the learning curve of multithreaded programming.

In addition, both Sony and MS would have a better grasp on making systems that have no bottlenecks and making better tools.

The 8-10x jump we have for next generation is going be more impactful on launch day / year than the 15-20x jump of last generation.

8-10x? PS4 I guess xD

 

[oversitting]

There is probably a cell inside the 720 and this time microsoft has the chip's hidden power unlocked. Turns out all they had to do was microwave it.

 

[Karak]

I want fidelity very close to it in a semi-open world game akin to Deus Ex: HR or ME. Also, care to hazard a guess on whether we will see the end of 2D backdrops (discounting plain sky) that can be easily discernible (Halo 4, I am staring at you)?

And pertaining to our bet, I will not lie, it does worry me.

2d backdrops are a trick to gain performance so no I don't think we will see an end. I mean we still see them on PC games, though of course they have to program for the LCD.
Don't worry about the bet. I hope you win!

 

[Dreamgazer]

I don't think its offsensive to want a warm, hot, hottest kind of setup.
I just don't see these 2 systems in some strange way being hampered.

I sincerely don't know.
I read these thread to indulge myself in fantasies. lol

I just find it amusing how people keep saying they're "keeping a gain of salt" about this/that/so and so, while busy freaking out about minute details or how the term "secret sauce" might be implied. It's like people worrying about their test results after an exam. There's no point. You either feel good, feel bad and hope for the best.

Anyway, I'm derailing the topic.

 

[DR3AM]

So...
Ps4 = Xbox 1
720 = ps2
Wii u = Dreamcast

 

[XtremeXpider]

So...
Ps4 = Xbox 1
720 = ps2
Wii u = Dreamcast

I guess:

PS4 = Xbox 1 *
720 = GC *
Wii U = DC

* You can interchange both in some aspects (ram size for example)

EDIT: MS needs to release Xbox 8 first.

 

[UrbanRats]

There are times where I secretly hope that both consoles are going to be equally underpowered.

The meltdown would be beautiful.

Joking aside, I would be rather glad if both Sony and MS took different directions. Then it would make even more sense for dual purchases.

A few hours of fun on GAF wouldn't be worth the 7 years of pain and delusion.

 

[Codeblew]

You know what's funny, 3-4 sources have said they are even, but all gaf gas been trying to do is damage their credibility.

And all you have been doing is trying to portray that they are equal in power for the past several pages.

 

[Proelite]

So...
Ps4 = Xbox 1
720 = ps2
Wii u = Dreamcast

Sony doomed?
Nintendo doomed.

 

[meta4]

A few hours of fun on GAF wouldn't be worth the 7 years of pain and delusion.

yup.

And all you have been doing is trying to portray that they are equal in power for the past several pages.

Yeah. It's clear who are the people having a lot of emotional investment in both these consoles and are really getting wound up over rumors.

 

[Karak]

PS4=PS4
XB3=XB3
WiiU=WiiU

 

[Dreamgazer]

A few hours of fun on GAF wouldn't be worth the 7 years of pain and delusion.

Self inflicting pain is the stupidest thing people do to themselves.

 

[BlackJace]

PS4=PS4
XB3=XB3
WiiU=WiiU

Preposterous.

 

[Karak]

Preposterous.

Sad but true

 

[Proelite]

PS4=PS4
XB3=XB3
WiiU=WiiU

Could you explain?

 

[meta4]

PS4=PS4
XB3=XB3
WiiU=WiiU

Finally some sense in this thread!

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

I think the best meltdown potential of all time would be if Microsoft announced that Xbox Live gamerscores were going to be reset with the release of the next Xbox.

 

[JordanN]

The 8-10x jump we have for next generation is going be more impactful on launch day / year than the 15-20x jump of last generation.

Which console was 15-20x last gen? Maybe if you're comparing the weakest last gen (DC) to the strongest current gen (PS3), but visually it was an 8x increase from Xbox/Gamecube.