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VGleaks: Orbis Unveiled! [Updated]
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BloodMoney
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Seriously, i mean what good games are there were Kinect makes the experience better? And i better not hear people mention voice commands.
It's possible
Clay Davis
Member
so now we have more detailed specs, is it really a wash between the two as has been suggested or is it looking like sony have a clear advantage?
I know very little about this stuff, but my gut tells me that initial software will indeed be a wash, but once second, third year software starts to hit shelves, I fear microsoft's machine might start to show its weaknesses.
I know very little about this stuff, but my gut tells me that initial software will indeed be a wash, but once second, third year software starts to hit shelves, I fear microsoft's machine might start to show its weaknesses.
You will see more, cuz blu ray.
There is little disadvantage to using a prerendered cutscene. It looks better, allows you to load the next section, and doesn't even cost that much to do if you do it in engine like uncharted.
phosphor112
Banned
Yeah I know, but they still got the figures wrong. They don't know what they are talking about. Someone is giving them information, and wrong information at that.
Bluray speeds are constant. They mention different bandwidths at different (inner/outer)parts of the disc. That's incorrect.
metareferential
Member
There's no way Ms is going to be the most expensive.
And if there's a company that can take a hit, it's Microsoft.
Dead Prince
Banned
But i like Bink's Video Tech.
Seeing more detailed specs on Orbis would make one believe the 2 consoles aren't a wash. But not seeing the entire picture in either box could do that.
Tarin02543
Member
I hope it won't be named Orbis...it sounds a bit silly.
I like being able to see things.
metalslimer
Member
My only conclusion about Microsoft completely stopping to report Kinect numbers is that it fell off a cliff which makes a lot of sense when software support was beyond abysmal. Kinect 1 will probably work with Durango at launch but Kinect 2 will probably be out post launch.
The Nature Roy
Member
Please be a 'significantly evolved' dualshock controller... as in evolved into a 360 controller, otherwise I'm going to have suffer the long wait for a decent third-party controller that fills the role so I can game comfortably.
Manmademan
Member
This doesn't really tell us anything we didn't already know- it's basically a non event.
The Orbis has a hardware advantage re: the GPU and its RAM, but rumors are that Durango will allow devs to get closer to the theoretical max of the console- whether that's through better support or secret sauce, no one is sure.
In practice they'll likely be close for most third party games, with sony's first party pulling way ahead.
Yeah, i don't see MS packing it in with every xbox either. I just don't buy them packing it in when they can make money selling an upgraded version separately for over 100 bucks.
We'll see...
CosmicQueso
Member
Well we didn't want the Vita to be called the Vita but there it is.
Orbis = Circle, Vita = Life
All they need is Elton John to sing the commercial with some animated lions.
Well the last rumors that came up mentioned something like a touch pad on the controller, either a shitty rear pad like on Vita or a front touch screen. So don't get your hopes too high.
Depending on how easy it is for devs to code for the 720, we might the max the system can do in the first few years. The only interesting extra piece of tech in the system is the ESRAM. Otherwise it's a pretty straight forward PC with a Kinect attached to it and an underpowered (imo) GPU in comparison to what Sony is offering.
Nope, the trend is going to be even more towards digital releases, and certainly day and date digital for full retail titles. Overall game sizes will be kept in check.
All this RAM talk is confusing the hell out of me.
Can someone explain this in terms of actual gameplay? Let's take a game like Grand Theft Auto for example:
So if the Durango has more but slower RAM mean that while playing GTA-Durango the amount of buildings, graphics of cars, draw distance, and other information on the screen will be better because of the bigger RAM capacity but the Orbis version of GTA will have less details on the screen at once but load faster because the RAM is faster?
What TANGIBLE gameplay related advantage does the speed of the RAM give?
Can someone explain this in terms of actual gameplay? Let's take a game like Grand Theft Auto for example:
So if the Durango has more but slower RAM mean that while playing GTA-Durango the amount of buildings, graphics of cars, draw distance, and other information on the screen will be better because of the bigger RAM capacity but the Orbis version of GTA will have less details on the screen at once but load faster because the RAM is faster?
What TANGIBLE gameplay related advantage does the speed of the RAM give?
IMACOMPUTA
Member
So it's basically 2 jaguars taped together?
Elginer
Member
I could see this being maybe 450, 500 MAYBE. Nice to see that both Durango and Orbis are going to be very close with different small trade offs that each will do better. Similar to this gen. I just care about the games at this point. Show me some amazing new IPs from MS and Sony and I'm happy.
Clay Davis
Member
you're right, but how likely are we to get proper specs until after the consoles have launched?
this is what I was initially thinking, but if sony do have a clear advantage with orbis, surely even those third party titles will eventually start to look / perform better on orbis?
iceatcs
Junior Member
It is almost no point to work out the overall strength because we will never know how much they will reserve some part for OS untill near launch. ie 3.5GB vs 5GB or 3.5GB vs 7GB are big different imo.
For now we can do is the speed rather than capacity. The rumours suggest that Orbis has more advanced speed on GPU and RAM with same CPU.
Lion Heart
Banned
Fuck I'm hard.
I think one thing that can be taken from this is Sony doesn't have to adhere to a "10 year plan" like they did with the PS3. Smarter use of components will allow them to refresh the console cycle a lot sooner, maybe 5 years, 6 years max we can see the PS5.
So I wouldn't worry too much about how outdated it will be 5 years from now.
I think one thing that can be taken from this is Sony doesn't have to adhere to a "10 year plan" like they did with the PS3. Smarter use of components will allow them to refresh the console cycle a lot sooner, maybe 5 years, 6 years max we can see the PS5.
So I wouldn't worry too much about how outdated it will be 5 years from now.
God, please don't downgrade to a 360 controller, that would be horrible. MS can't even get a decent d-pad and their sticks aren't symmetrical.
R10Neymarfan
Member
So 4GB of GDDR5 is real then. I'm sad because I don't see any mention of the Cell processor so I think BC is not happening which is sort of a deal breaker. And 1.8 TF yes!
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
If anything, these threads are great for these kinds of shops lol
Manmademan
Member
well:
1.) the giant balls on the move aren't necessary with a higher resolution camera. This is pretty much a given that sony is using a better camera for the PS eye this time around, so bye bye balls.
2.) rumors for the dualshock include some kind of central touchpad or touchscreen this time, which would make a "break apart" controller impractical- at least that design, anyway.
depends on things like marketshare and whatnot. If the Durango has a clear advantage, or is simply easier to program for then we'll continue to see games made on durango and ported to orbis, not taking advantage of the hardware.
Sony's first party has always knocked it out of the park though, even their PS2 efforts (GOW2, SOTC) were just unbelievable given the hardware. There's no reason third party devs couldn't get the same results, but the drive to really squeeze the hardware just isn't there for them.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Moreso about shadowing, lighting, alpha effects, AA and IQ, and some other effects that are RAM speed intensive like normal mapping.
The games just have a better possibility of looking so much better than 360 games.
Check the performance difference between similar cards with different RAM speeds. GDDR3 and GDDR5 is even a pretty sizeable gap in later games
We might get a full spec leak before E3 if possible.
After the proper announcements of course.
Uno Venova
Banned
Praying for this, the shape mostly.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
It is weird that VGLeaks don't specify GDDR5 in the specs. If they are listing specs from official docs, I still think Sony are trying to get stacked RAM in.
Even if they don't manage it they can always fall back to GDDR5 anyway?
Even if they don't manage it they can always fall back to GDDR5 anyway?
Shadow of the BEAST
Banned
no bc means im not buying anymore psn games. ever.
I think im going pc next gen. Its going to be a safe bet if these numbers are correct.
I think im going pc next gen. Its going to be a safe bet if these numbers are correct.
Which also depends on the game, and how much stuff is being packed on screen.
LukasTaves
Member
I think any game with pre rendered cutscenes and 3D support could potentially use a lot of space to videos. Dunno if they can just use the stream for one eye for 2d, but even then it's basically doubling the storage requirements. Tripling it if they need to have a 2d and a 3d version.
You can't get 8Gb of GDDR5 yet afaik. And the benefits of faster ram are that you can access more of it per frame, do more with it using more intensive or demanding graphical features (currently haven't really been explored). That and ram use hasn't really even come close to 4gb, not even 2gb really (Agnis philosophy next gen real time tech demo uses 1.8gb).
Yeah I found that weird as well. No mention of gddr5. Maybe Sony shifting to wide IO stacked? Can they shift back to gddr5? No way that's ddr3 right? Someone answer please!
Still early to tell. I will lean more toward no BC but we still don't know much besides CPU and GPU.
But MS and Sony's first party output.....
They will surely look amazing regardless of the specs.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I don't expect BC but would still wait. I can't imagine devs need to know about BC in a Orbis document.
Manmademan
Member
deader than dead.