He's an ignorant little git. That's why he cannot admit he was wrong. Nothing he can do is wrong because he's so much smarter and better than his audience. I dropped him when he started trashing "middle America" so much. Did you know that our internet connections suck out here? I get better speeds here in Milwaukee than I was getting in SF but the douche wouldn't know that because he doesn't live here.
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He's an ignorant little git. That's why he cannot admit he was wrong. Nothing he can do is wrong because he's so much smarter and better than his audience. I dropped him when he started trashing "middle America" so much. Did you know that our internet connections suck out here? I get better speeds here in Milwaukee than I was getting in SF but the douche wouldn't know that because he doesn't live here.
They are just circling the wagon...I'm sure that internally most of them know that they screwed the pooch. But to admit fault is to admit a lack of integrity and they (not unexpectedly) won't do that.
RedNumberFive
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I think it's time for both California and New York to secede from the US.
sarcasm?
This whole debacle and this thread is reminding me how much i miss GFW Radio, especially Shawn Elliot and Jeff Green who would call other journalists (even their fellow podcasters at times) on their bullshit.
Basically Arthur Gies and his ilk need to stop living on Bullshit Mountain.
You could make it a hashed line where a few games slip through.
That being said, tes you should, if you feel the same about pre-orders as he does.
NoirVisage
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someone needs to be held accountable, it was funny when it was just laughing at arrogance and foot in mouth shilling, but this is borderline plagiarism.
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Did Polygon really run a story that was pretty much the same as the one RPS did a week ago and claim that it was original content? Even after all this Twitter drama with their oblivious reviews editor? What is wrong with these people?
Holy hell. Arthus is going on such a long rant with Peter Bright that there is no way I can image drop. I'm just gana link drop it. But my freaking goodness.
RedNumberFive
Banned
I still don't understand how to follow a twitter conversation. It's making me feel old and out of touch.
Why doesn't Arthur just admit he goofed and back away from it?
OverBlood 3
Banned
Can we ban Polygon already? I know it's a source of unprofessional hilarity but it's become tedious now. I can barely gain any kind of erection from it anymore.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
That they can still amaze me in their cuntery at this point is truly astounding. Crecente trying to pretend he had no knowledge of Walker's article or source is just... wow. Then Gies forgetting his very public failing is just some next level doucheshit I can't even comprehend right now.
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/314064712813924352
Direct link to catch the argument with Peter. quite amazing.
Start at the top, work your way down.
Direct link to catch the argument with Peter. quite amazing.
Start at the top, work your way down.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Thanks, I'll give that a try. I feel like I'm missing out on way too much Internet man-baby drama.
It doesn't help that the Twitter website updates tweets at its own leisure, instead of when you hit reload. At times, you know for sure that a new tweet has been posted, and yet F5ing does nothing.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
How no-one has taken Gies aside yet and forcibly told him to fucking climb down on this and grow up because its making their videogame website something of a very public laughing stock is what makes most gaming journalism outlets the absolute worst. Or would that be when we start breaking out the american flags and freedom of speech bullshit?
Don't feel aggravated by all this, John Walker. You've rustled up a truly glorious shitstorm for all to see that will hopefully have long and lasting consequences. Except for Gies running his mouth. Nothing will ever change that, it seems.
Don't feel aggravated by all this, John Walker. You've rustled up a truly glorious shitstorm for all to see that will hopefully have long and lasting consequences. Except for Gies running his mouth. Nothing will ever change that, it seems.
Interfectum
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Gies tripling down on his SimCity bullshit. Dude needs to nut it up.
Fixed1979
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This is an accurate representation of the conversation.
eot
Banned
So what if they did? Shawn Elliott, who's up there with KG for smartest person who wrote about games, also worked retail. It doesn't mean a thing.
My work involves dealing with the public and if I publicly addressed people with the same attitude that Gies does I would at the very least to be taken to one side and warned about it. At best. At worst? Maybe fired. Certainly if I carried on like that day in, day out.
It's gone beyond a joke. The problem with this happening at Polygon is I have no real faith that anyone of any authority actually cares or understands what's happening. Chris Grant is every bit as capable of being as arrogantly dismissive and frankly rude to his readers as Gies is, in my experience. I think it's far more likely that the Polygon team are sat around having a good old laugh about "entitled gamers" and whatever else. Some of them have completely lost touch with even the most basic of their professional responsibility.
Gies needs reminding that he's not just a games journalist. He's an employee, in paid employment, and a representative of a company. He needs to grow up and start behaving like an adult in public.
Neuromancer
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I don't even understand this. By this logic how can he be a reviews editor for a site that covers video games? Any criticisms from any of his reviewers towards any games are invalid, because they should be out there making their own games!
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Posted in the Games Journalism! but since this is where the discussion sprouted from:
My personal fave tweet is the argument that only the most desperate of defence forces resort to when all other avenues are spent:
Why? Because now if Gies ever criticizes any feature of a game in an article, review, or otherwise (Vanquish jank, etc) you can direct him to this tweet and why he isn't making games. Although with all ball-licking this exercise has entailed, I have no doubt he'll be working some community manager job as "part of the industry" within 2 years.
My personal fave tweet is the argument that only the most desperate of defence forces resort to when all other avenues are spent:
Why? Because now if Gies ever criticizes any feature of a game in an article, review, or otherwise (Vanquish jank, etc) you can direct him to this tweet and why he isn't making games. Although with all ball-licking this exercise has entailed, I have no doubt he'll be working some community manager job as "part of the industry" within 2 years.
Before they deleted most of the comments on the story a bunch of folk called Gies out on his RPS attacks. The moderators and Crecente said it wasn't relevant because Gies isn't part of the news team.
They don't give a fuck.
I don't even understand this. By this logic how can he be a reviews editor for a site that covers video games? Any criticisms from any of his reviewers towards any games are invalid, because they should be out there making their own games!
He needs to be put down.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I think this is the choicest nugget in that exchange:
"As a games writer, I don't think you should criticize games unless you're making them"..?
Edit: Dammit, me and my slow-ass image-editing skills. But whatever, it's stupid enough to post twice in a row!
"As a games writer, I don't think you should criticize games unless you're making them"..?
Edit: Dammit, me and my slow-ass image-editing skills. But whatever, it's stupid enough to post twice in a row!
That's unfair. Gies isn't saying that people can't criticise games, just that they shouldn't play 'backseat game designer'. I assume that for Geis 'the gunplay in Bioshock is lacklustre' would be an acceptable thing to say but 'they should have put ironsights in Bioshock' would not.
It's basically the distinction made in the OP in this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=518649
That being said, personally, I don't have a problem with 'backseat game designing'.
He's the most dishonest person in the gaming media.
But I thought "secret sauce" was your favorite type of source, Arthur? You ridiculous fucking hypocrite.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=48010522
I think this is the choicest nugget in that exchange:
"As a games writer, I don't think you should criticize games unless you're making them"..?
Edit: Dammit, me and my slow-ass image-editing skills. But whatever, it's stupid enough to post twice in a row!
This is such a fucking stupid argument + the claim that this game can't be run offline
Polygon is a boys club of blog buddies. Never gonna happen.
ebullientprism
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I cant believe they are actually going for the "We got this story on our own" bit.
Dude, come on!
Dude, come on!
I don't even understand this. By this logic how can he be a reviews editor for a site that covers video games? Any criticisms from any of his reviewers towards any games are invalid, because they should be out there making their own games!
Even for him, that's one pathetic argument, oh god.
What a farce, I'm done with this guy.
They've already done a riff on this: http://www.theonion.com/articles/andrea-kremer-proves-journalistic-prowess-by-askin,29126/
Kill Your Masters
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I don't even understand this. By this logic how can he be a reviews editor for a site that covers video games? Any criticisms from any of his reviewers towards any games are invalid, because they should be out there making their own games!
Sure no problem.
kNoRepeatNetworkAlertSeconds : 15,
kNetDownForceQuitAfterMinutes : 20,
Delete those two lines. It's now a better game.
Interfectum
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Complex network calculations.
BolognaSoup
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Cosmonaut X
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:lol
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I don't even understand this. By this logic how can he be a reviews editor for a site that covers video games? Any criticisms from any of his reviewers towards any games are invalid, because they should be out there making their own games!
Exactly what I thought. What a fucking hypocrite. I wonder if he even knows what he's saying.
Then again, maybe that's why he's so supportive of 9.5 and 10 score reviews of heavily flawed games? Maybe in his head, to be a games reviewer is all about propping up games to get on the good side of publishers or something?
What a confused individual. It's like he has a fundamental lack of understanding for his own profession.
It's completely insane. There's no way that wasn't on purpose. Such hubris.
At a certain point someone at Polygon really needs to step in and have a talk with Arthur. I'm no fan of the site but man, he truly needs a lesson on professionalism (not specifically journalism but in the workplace). I really can't believe with the way he acts that anyone would hire him.
Claim your Twitter is your own, but when you tie it directly to Polygon and plaster your icon in purple you begin to lose that privilege.
Claim your Twitter is your own, but when you tie it directly to Polygon and plaster your icon in purple you begin to lose that privilege.
Like I said before, he's quite young and extremely inexperienced in his profession and I think it was a terrible decision, more of a favor for a buddy, to put him in his current supervisory role. He's not a bad writer. He just needs years more experience and more time to prove he can learn from his mistakes.
Wow...After reading the article that poly posted, "maybe it could be offline"... Perhaps it isnt plagerism, but my God, it should at least be unethical...right?
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