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orznge

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please no one try to argue that there is a good way to implement Individual Rankings for team games because there are people like me who will absolutely 100% sabotage their own team if it means that my stat increases the most
 

Striker

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Why can't both exist?? You know.. like Halo 3?

Some playlists could be ranked, some playlists could be social. Problem solved.
I didn't think we ever needed 5-6 or however many it was unranked playlists. Make a 4v4 Training playlist, maybe a multi-team or a Big Team if it's not ranked (never good idea to do two of them). Guests are a problem because they devalue a game and cause one team who has one become weakened while the other team does not have that misfortune. It's baffling to see 343 didn't take that type of thing into account when addressing the CSR rank into every single playlist.

If you want ranks, they should be in the primary playlists like your small team Slayer, FFA Slayer/Oddball/King, the Skirmish playlist, your 2v2, and maybe another or two depending how the game was. If the game was actually balanced and set right, you wouldn't need a "Throwdown" or MLG playlist - because those games needed it due to BS filtered in the games and the base settings had to be set accordingly. None of this matters at all since we likely aren't getting that type of game back and they don't view ranking systems as such, either.
 

Tashi

343i Lead Esports Producer
36 chambers and madness, please put eachother on your ignore lists and shut up about it already.

Sincerely,

HaloGAF
 

Conor 419

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Just posting for vision - Halo 4 Custom Game sometime soon.

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please no one try to argue that there is a good way to implement Individual Rankings for team games because there are people like me who will absolutely 100% sabotage their own team if it means that my stat increases the most

There should be 2 ranks if your going to do it at all. The individual rank based on the players play and the clan rank. To have one for both is simply idiotic.
 

Madness

Member
36 chambers and madness, please put eachother on your ignore lists and shut up about it already.

Sincerely,

HaloGAF

Already done Tashi, sorry about it being public but I was just responding to people. You won't hear more about it from me now.
 

Ghazi

Member
Playing some BF3/BloPs2/Resistnace 3/LBP2 on Ps3 tonight if any of you nerds game there.

PSN is sltPoison

Oh and mass effect 3 mp

Awww shit, I've got ME3 on my PS3. I suck though because I don't have any good classes because I've played so little. Sending you a FR now, if you want to accept it.
 
The ranks in Halo 2-3 never worked properly anyway. They relied way too much on the team winning and not enough on the individual stats of the player. If you're gonna do stats that represent the player, it shouldn't matter that much whether he wins or loses. Ive often had great games on losing teams and my rank would never go up because of that. Thats not representative of how good i am as a player and it isnt my problem if the rest of the team cant keep up.

First, let them come up with a ranking system that works properly.

Frankly, individual performance shouldn't be the main priority. It doesn't matter if you score 30 points or 2 points. At the end of the game, what matters is that you either won or you lost. As long as you aren't dropping -12 with an average life of 10 seconds, there's no reason the system should weigh that performance significantly.

But that doesn't sit well with people who go in with randoms that are always dragging them down. I know it frustrated me all the time. This is why the 'proper' system should be a hybrid with majority focus on W/L, which was what I thought Bungie had going for Arena at first.

Assign me a letter based on how much I win and how much I lose, with A being Onyx and D being Bronze. Then give me a 1-25 percentile based on individual performance. So the highest rank would be A1 and the lowest rank would be D25. You can be the good individual player all you want; if you don't win, you wont leave your bracket. If you're doing worse but still winning, maybe you'll drop to lower A's.

Was this not what Arena was supposed to be?
 

TCKaos

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No problem, chum.

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Put me in bro. We're going all the way.
 

Conor 419

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Edit - Feel free to put yourself in the list past 16 people, it's likely not everybody will make the decided timeframe.
 

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I wouldn't mind playing. I don't know how I'll compare with HaloGAF, hopefully I don't get my ass donged on. I'm not as good as I was back in the day.
 

Conor 419

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1. Nevermind! Thanks Foxtrot!

2. Are those customs tonight, or when?

3. I played Halo 4 BTB today for like an hour. I averaged over 20 kills and less than 8 deaths. Halo 4 can still be a lot of fun when pooping on bad people.
 

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When is this?

Undecided atm, I'll try and find out when everyone's free.
 

heckfu

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it's like looking at my ignore list.

heyo!
 
so hey haloGAF...

Friday PAX East was pretty good. I got there late, and didn't get too much in but that's ok. Got to meet tawpgun and duncan, pretty cool dudes.

Panel was ok. I know you guys were reading the live tweets so I'll keep it short. The first 30 minutes were a combination of stats (total kills, players, headshots, etc) and talking about the map pack. Honestly wasn't really necessary. Kinda disappointed multi-team might be held behind a paywall.

I don't see CSR really picking up or gaining steam since it's just on waypoint and in every playlist. It's a cool feature nonetheless, but I'm pretty sure other websites already had something similar in Reach.

I'm surprised people were underwhelmed with TU info. Kinda figured this was what were going to get. Maybe we'll be able to see a true classic mode with a 4-shot BR that doesn't impact the rest of the sandbox. I'm sure some cool action sack games will come out as well. Haven't seen the X yet.

Forge island is neat. I'm not really a forger, nor do I like playing on forge maps, but it's definitely cool that people are getting a large flat surface to forge on.

And the first question was pretty good! Guy asked if de-scoping and dropping the flag would come back. Then someone asked why blood gulch wasn't in Halo 4...so yea that's that.
 

Ghazi

Member
it's like looking at my ignore list.

heyo!

Quick everyone buy Fifa so he takes you off.


Kinda disappointed multi-team might be held behind a paywall.

It will, that's what happened with Extraction and FFA.

THC said:
The panel had a video displaying what the Title Update can do, for example, an Incineration cannon that does no damage while the
rest of the weapon sandbox goes untouched – these changes can be applied universally or singularly
Other changes that the new TU will allow is damage changes, rate of fire changes
Legendary Slayer with tuned weapons coming in Summer (more info below)
Weapon descoping will not be happening
Hold X to pick up the Flag isn’t being discussed, but it possible
A DMR rebalance is being looked at
Vehicle tweaks are possible with the newest Title Update

All of these but descoping sound promising guys! I mean, I wasn't expecting adjustments. This may mean a global sandbox rebalance if they're willing to go global with it.
 

JackHerer

Member
I agree that descoping is something that would definitely make the gameplay better, but flag-dropping is by no means a game saver. Its nice if they add an option to turn that on/off sure, but it wont bring everyone back by any means. I wont say no to more options, but dont kid yourself, it wont have kids who play COD just quit that game overnight and come back to Halo just cause descoping and flag drops are in.

I didn't say it would. I wan't these in the game purely for the sake of my own enjoyment.

I don't think asking them to add descoping and flag-dropping as custom game options is that large of a demand. Or at least add modified game types with true classic settings (no sprint, flag-dropping, descoping, etc). Especially now that they have the ability to do these things without a title update.
 
Because it creates an absurd secondary black market that only serves to harm the game. I won't repeat myself on things I've already typed, so here's a writeup I did a long time ago on my opinion of visible global ranks.

Had a feeling you'd bring up the black market, but you're really exaggerating on how much "harm" it did to the community. Also, I feel like you're neglecting the positives as if the negatives greatly outweigh them. That feeling of getting a 50 to people who cared about rank may translate into other areas of one's life too ya know ;] - When I got my 50 I went out and did THINGS with my life with confidence, so why deny real life happiness?

Arguments can be made from both sides, but the real issue here I think is that only a few ranked playlists are needed.. It's seriously not that big of a deal. Sometimes you guys make it seem like communities die because of it even though people of all skill levels would love its return.
 
I agree that descoping is something that would definitely make the gameplay better, but flag-dropping is by no means a game saver. Its nice if they add an option to turn that on/off sure, but it wont bring everyone back by any means. I wont say no to more options, but dont kid yourself, it wont have kids who play COD just quit that game overnight and come back to Halo just cause descoping and flag drops are in.

CTF is not as bad as people make it out to be. It does limit flexibility, but if the maps are good and the base gameplay is good, people will find new strategies that work with the new mechanics. That was never an issue. The problem is the options aren't there to even mimic classic settings, but (again) it isn't like "OH CTF CHANGED I'M SELLING MY GAME!". We can all manage.

No change to flinch is incredibly disappointing. I can't think of anything I'd have wanted TU'd more than that. At first I thought I'd like flinch because I dreaded cross-map DMRing in Reach, but now I dread it even more. Makes sniping even easier.
 
so hey haloGAF...

Friday PAX East was pretty good. I got there late, and didn't get too much in but that's ok. Got to meet tawpgun and duncan, pretty cool dudes.

Panel was ok. I know you guys were reading the live tweets so I'll keep it short. The first 30 minutes were a combination of stats (total kills, players, headshots, etc) and talking about the map pack. Honestly wasn't really necessary. Kinda disappointed multi-team might be held behind a paywall.

I don't see CSR really picking up or gaining steam since it's just on waypoint and in every playlist. It's a cool feature nonetheless, but I'm pretty sure other websites already had something similar in Reach.

I'm surprised people were underwhelmed with TU info. Kinda figured this was what were going to get. Maybe we'll be able to see a true classic mode with a 4-shot BR that doesn't impact the rest of the sandbox. I'm sure some cool action sack games will come out as well. Haven't seen the X yet.

Forge island is neat. I'm not really a forger, nor do I like playing on forge maps, but it's definitely cool that people are getting a large flat surface to forge on.

And the first question was pretty good! Guy asked if de-scoping and dropping the flag would come back. Then someone asked why blood gulch wasn't in Halo 4...so yea that's that.

And what did they answer to those questions?
 
I was supposed to go to bed but in your shitty analogy do you just go to school just to get the maximum grade or do you go to get to get laid, get stoned with your mates, make new friends for life and compare old metal bands.

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I went for the education. Whoops.

dat competitive edge.

I also have plenty of experience (or XP if you will) on my resume.

Strange how those go together so well.
Actually, if you want an engineering position with the USAF (for those wondering), both your GPA & degree level factor into your pay on the GS scale, especially if you do one of the Co-op/intern programs.

Ehh - I'm stretching it with that analogy but whatever, I don't have a dog in this fight. Ranks cause boosting/cheating for one reason. Progression systems, commendations, and really fucking stupid MP achievements cause boosting/cheating for another.

I'm watching the Sony Open Eugenie Bouchard v Maria Sharapova match. Damn Bouchard. Dat everything. GG Canada.
 

Madness

Member
How big was this "black market" for accounts/ranks though? I mean I don't think I ever saw anyone flat out selling accounts that were level 50 general. I do remember reading about guys wondering if "better" people could play on their accounts or what not, but I remember the same thing with Reach with people asking whether or not people could get them to Inheritor.
 
It will also appear front and center on your phone and we have been very clear about the how and why of this. If we put it in the game we massively incentivize cheating and abuse. You guys all know this. If you want to know your relative skill you can now see it at a glance. If you want e-peen comparison it is far from perfect.

That.. is an incredibly reductive and throwaway thing to say considering the ranked/social divide and in-game competition fostered by the so-addictive-it-should-be-registered-as-a-class-A-street-drug visual 1-50 is a very important and cherished part of the online Halo experience for many long term fans of the series. In game ranks had a multitude of positive effects including:

- Incentive to plug your mic in and communicate (social)
- A dis-incentive to quit
- A powerful motivating factor, retaining a portion of the playerbase who were hooked on continual performance feedback
- Ensured a certain quality watermark to a playlist; no guests rendering a game pointless before it begins, no teams of 4 there to shit on randoms for a laugh, tighter skill matching

No descoping is a joke and extremely disappointing, as are no classic flag settings on the horizon.

As for weapon adjustments, does the game really need it? Outside of the absurd magnetism of the unscoped beam rifle, what needs changing within their capability? The DMR's biggest problem is its 3x scope and they can't change that. I wouldn't bother with ROF changes, four shot BR would be nice but meh.

If they have different weapon settings in different playlists like Reach then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fINsjNUZmqo&feature=player_detailpage#t=183s
 
DestinyGAF:

Bungie's GDC panel will be streamed by gamespot.

Will the community have any access to Bungie's GDC 2013 panel?

For the less-informed, this shock trooper is talking about the Game Developers Conference. We’ve already announced Joe and Barry’s lecture, “Building a Brave New World.” You can grab the full session synopsis on the GDC website.

If you want to be a fly on that wall, you’re in luck. Gamespot will be streaming GDC events on their website. You may want to pay special attention to the “Intended Audience,” however. The talk is not being built as a marketing asset, but rather an examination of world building pillars and challenges we’ve faced building a new universe from scratch. If you’re expecting a trailer, do yourself a favor and don’t tune in.

If you love the sound of Joe Staten’s seductive voice, and can’t help but get lost in Barry’s chestnut eyes as he unfurls his beloved art pillars, stay tuned to Bungie.net and our social channels for more specific tune-in details next week.
 
How big was this "black market" for accounts/ranks though? I mean I don't think I ever saw anyone flat out selling accounts that were level 50 general. I do remember reading about guys wondering if "better" people could play on their accounts or what not, but I remember the same thing with Reach with people asking whether or not people could get them to Inheritor.

I got tons of people that asked me to do Geometry Wars achievements for them all the time back in the day (not kidding). If I had some free time, and they wanted to pay, why not? Other people asked for high scores and I told them to fuck off.

Now people just go to the designated achievement trading/buying forums for that shit.
 
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