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[baphomet]

Well, I guess that's it for the Wii U.

I bought one on launch, and I honestly don't care when it happens. They couldn't have botched a launch any worse than what they did.

 

[cyberheater]

Does the Wii U allow game installs like PS360 or not? I'm curious.

Nope.

 

[Off-Kilter]

I don't see the big deal here.

Most if not all systems have been or will be hacked. It's practically inevitable.

 

[Mithos]

Then buy the digital version off of the eShop! It's not like the option isn't there like on the Wii. The digital version is released right along side the physical copy outside of a few launch day hold outs. There is no need to "back up" a game now. Either rebuy it or just buy it digitally from the start.

Can't speak for anyone else but there is literally ZERO chance that I will buy anything digital on Nintendos platform when they lock it to the hardware instead of an (without having to call them) account I can move around with like on Xbox360, PS3 or PC (Steam).

BUT I'd love the ability to install my Physical games so I can run them all from a HDD.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

I don't see the big deal here.

Most if not all systems have been or will be hacked. It's practically inevitable.

The problem is that the system already sees little to no support, and early fears of piracy will not make things easier for developers to consider the Wii U as a viable platform.

 

[Slayer-33]

The problem is that the system already sees little to no support, and early fears of piracy will not make things easier for developers to consider the Wii U as a viable platform.

Yep this can be incredibly bad for Nintendo..

 

[Colocho]

So this is like the first Xbox 360 hack in which you could only play pirated retail games?

 

[fabricated backlash]

So this is like the first Xbox 360 hack in which you could only play pirated retail games?

Sounds like it yeah.

 

[ragincajun77]

I don't see the big deal here.

Most if not all systems have been or will be hacked. It's practically inevitable.

The 3DS and the Vita have been pretty successful. Sure the Vita has exploits that have allowed PSP iso's to run but that is limited to exploitingvthe PSP emulator. It is pretty much impossible to gain access to the Vita side, so I highly doubt you will ever see native Vita games pirated.

 

[cyberheater]

So this is like the first Xbox 360 hack in which you could only play pirated retail games?

You still need a real retail disk to back up to the hdd. Although, I guess, once the games are on the HDD, then you could simply copy the games directly from there, upload them etc...

 

[baphomet]

So this is like the first Xbox 360 hack in which you could only play pirated retail games?

It''s probably exactly that. Chances are its a hard mod that's overriding the drives firmware to make it think a burnt disc is legit.

You still need a real retail disk to back up to the hdd. Although, I guess, once the games are on the HDD, then you could simply copy the games directly from there, upload them etc...

He's talking about modifying the drives firmware. That was long before you could even back games up to the hard drive.

 

[Glass Joe]

I can't sell the digital version. When I've had enough of a game. Can delete it fron the HDD and sell it to buy more games.
If the DD version was half priced to begin with I'd be tempted but stupidly, it's full retail price.

Hmm I wonder how many people are like you though, and "remember" to delete their backups when they sell their game.

It would be nice if that damn eShop was proactive enough to at least do regular sales and price cuts on disc games though. Most of the launch stuff can be bought on amazon for far less than the $60 the eShop continues to demand for each title.

 

[Beer Monkey]

It would be nice if that damn eShop was proactive enough to at least do regular sales and price cuts on disc games though. Most of the launch stuff can be bought on amazon for far less than the $60 the eShop continues to demand for each title.

That's the whole nature of the console DD business. To keep retailers happy, you don't do permanent price cuts on DD titles until the official MSRP gets cut for retail.

 

[B.O.O.M]

Joke's on them, there's no games for them to pirate.

Brutal

OT: I don't support hackers. It can potentially do a lot of harm in the long run to the system

 

[cyberheater]

Most of the launch stuff can be bought on amazon for far less than the $60 the eShop continues to demand for each title.

Yes. It's so stupid. They would do well to adopt the Steam model and have regular sales. They also need to change the frankly moronic position that the account is tied to the unit and not to the account.

I've bought a fair bit on DD on WiiU and it worries me if the machine dies I've lost the lot.

 

[Glass Joe]

Yes. It's so stupid. They would do well to adopt the Steam model and have regular sales. They also need to change the frankly moronic position that the account is tied to the unit and not to the account.

I've bought a fair bit on DD on WiiU and it worries me if the machine dies I've lost the lot.

Nah, you just have to go through Nintendo's repair program. Free if under warranty, and probably cheaper than buying a new unit if no longer under warranty. Hopefully by the time it would be an issue, Nintendo will have woken up by then and made the account system more traditional. They've been responding to some consumer demands, so it's worth hoping.

 

[MarcoZombieCannon]

Right, this is exactly what the system needs right now. -_-; I'm sure there will be plenty of people that will be more willing to jump in now, unfortunately. I'm pretty sure we all know at least one person with pirated games for their Wii, DS, or PSP that won't upgrade because they'd actually have to buy the games. It bugs me, but I guess there isn't really anything we could do about those people anyway.

Why can't it be as easy to play imports as in the old days?

 

[Beer Monkey]

Why can't it be as easy to play imports as in the old
days?

I remember busting a couple of tabs out of an N64 with pliers, and logging into NCSX.com to buy some imported carts.

Those were the days.

 

[Torraz]

Surely in that case you can buy a foreign console to play them on?

No warranty.

 

[ghst]

i wouldn't be surprised if nintendo started rolling piratebay seeds in to their shipped figures.

 

[ragincajun77]

i wouldn't be surprised if nintendo started rolling piratebay seeds in to their shipped figures.

lmbo!

 

[kinggroin]

At least it won't affect third party support too much.

I really like the idea of ripping my discs to a drive, it felt weird going back to optical media.

This this this

I just want a USB loader application to make this the ultimate lazy console.

 

[Effect]

The prices for the digital games are up to the publishers of the games not Nintendo. They have control over what they price the digital versions of their games. As well as when and what sales take place.

 

[cyberheater]

The good news. We won't need a big hard drive.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

wii u has no games hurdurrrr
Can we stop with this bullshit ? it's neither funny, true, or clever and certainly not original.

It was the same shit everywhere during the Ps3/3ds/vita's first year and it's tiring.

I think it's funny though

The best part is when people get pissed by the jokes

 

[ragincajun77]

At least it won't affect third party support too much.

I really like the idea of ripping my discs to a drive, it felt weird going back to optical media.

I don't understand how this would not affect third party support, unless you mean that in a tongue-in-cheek way (i.e. there is already no third party support). It just seems that because they say that it only allows 1:1 backups, people are assuming that it is not for piracy. The flash cards were also purportedly only to be used for backing up your games. What this will allow is for you to download an iso, or whatever format Wii U games come to be, put the pirated game on a usb drive and then play the game. You will not have to actually own the game to play the "backup" from your USB drive.

 

[pants]

Meh, will wait till word on region unlocking

 

[test_account]

I'm mostly interested in knowing how they managed to do all this reverse engineering. They said that the file system is decrypted, does this mean that custom firmware is possible?

 

[Canis lupus]

Woah even before the 3DS

 

[Foshy]

I'm mostly interested in knowing how they managed to do all this reverse engineering. They said that the file system is decrypted, does this mean that custom firmware is possible?

The hack was created by a company that sells their own modchips/hardware keys. It's possible that they cracked the Wii U open like an oyster, but they're not interested in making CFW available to the public as that would make their products obsolete.

You'll have to wait for someone to reverse engineer the WiiKey, probably.

 

[Platy]

Woah even before the 3DS

3DS' security is YEARS ahead of WiiU's

WiiU's backward compatibility was hacked basicaly from day one and it is still there ... DS flashcards where stopped so fast in 3DS that wasn't even funny

 

[baphomet]

Just so people know this literally only enables piracy. Nothing else.

 

[Eyothrie]

Does the Wii U allow game installs like PS360 or not? I'm curious.

A bit off topic. Does the PS3 allow full game installs? I can't find the option. Sometimes extra content will install, but I haven't found a game that fully installs. My disc spins at least a little on every PS3 game I own.

 

[NateDrake]

Yes. It's so stupid. They would do well to adopt the Steam model and have regular sales. They also need to change the frankly moronic position that the account is tied to the unit and not to the account.

I've bought a fair bit on DD on WiiU and it worries me if the machine dies I've lost the lot.

The eShop prices are up to the publisher to change. Any publisher can discount their game at any moment. If the game is $1 in stores and $60 on the eShop that was the publishers choice. Nintendo does not control eShop pricing for other companies.

 

[Foshy]

3DS' security is YEARS ahead of WiiU's

WiiU's backward compatibility was hacked basicaly from day one and it is still there ... DS flashcards where stopped so fast in 3DS that wasn't even funny

DS flashcards still work on 3DS. Basically, everytime the 3DS gets an update to block them, the flashcard get updated too a few days later.

 

[kinggroin]

I don't see the big deal here.

Most if not all systems have been or will be hacked. It's practically inevitable.

It really isn't, but hyperbolic reactions make for a more exciting thread I suppose.


Edit: and lol @ worrying about losing third party support; as if

 

[mackattk]

3DS' security is YEARS ahead of WiiU's

WiiU's backward compatibility was hacked basicaly from day one and it is still there ... DS flashcards where stopped so fast in 3DS that wasn't even funny

AFAIK DS cards still work on 3DS. Haven't heard of anything about the 3DS itself being hacked though.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Just so people know this literally only enables piracy. Nothing else.

I'll grant that that's largely what it facilitates. But saying that's literally the only thing it does ignores that some people are legitimately interested in format swapping. Maybe that strikes you as a bunch of malarkey, and that's fine. But personally, I would be interested in having all my games available on the hard drive.

 

[Iorv3th]

Wii U going to get a sales bump if this is true.

 

[mackattk]

I'll grant that that's largely what it facilitates. But saying that's literally the only thing it does ignores that some people are legitimately interested in format swapping. Maybe that strikes you as a bunch of malarkey, and that's fine. But personally, I would be interested in having all my games available on the hard drive.

I only have around 6 Wii U games, but I am too spoiled by PC/PS3 where all my games are on my PC/consoles, save for my 3DS/Vita. The only reason why I would justify getting something like this is because until Nintendo does something about their DD system, I am not going to touch it. The handhelds aren't a big deal because the games are usually with the handheld.

 

[iamaustrian]

They eShop prices are up to the publisher to change. Any publisher can discount their game at any moment. If the game is $1 in stores and $60 on the eShop that was the publishers choice. Nintendo does not control eShop pricing for other companies.

this
I wish people would finally understand that Nintendo does not dictat any prices on 3rd party software on eshop.
plus Ubisoft did have a sale lately. All ubisoft games (AC3, Rabbits, ZombiU) were discounted at 29.90

 

[Zoramon089]

Did people even read the OP? No homebrew. No region free gaming. They still can't do anything yet. It's like how the 3DS was "hacked" but not really

 

[KnockOneOff]

Whatever happens piracy on consoles is pretty much dead once Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo detect and ban you from online play!

Anyway is piracy always a bad thing for the big 3? Or even apple

Me personally when I was a young one and discovered the whole pirate world off PS1 that's what pulled me to the brand away from Nintendo and Sega

Same thing with apple and the whole installous

They both got me through piracy and I continued with there brands ever since

And now Xbox/apple are very smart they will allow the hacks for around 6 months, block it then everyone that has been detected then has no choice but to rebuy there hardware to continue online

Maybe just me but I do believe piracy helps and destroys in different areas

 

[test_account]

The hack was created by a company that sells their own modchips/hardware keys. It's possible that they cracked the Wii U open like an oyster, but they're not interested in making CFW available to the public as that would make their products obsolete.

You'll have to wait for someone to reverse engineer the WiiKey, probably.

Yeah, this is about making profit on the WiiUkey thing indeed, so it makes sense why they dont release any info on how to use custom firmware.

Did people even read the OP? No homebrew. No region free gaming. They still can't do anything yet. It's like how the 3DS was "hacked" but not really

True, but they said that the reversed all those things. That means that they have been able to decrypt the things, so it could mean that custom firmware is possible, but that they wont release any info on it because they want to make money on selling that WiiUkey thing instead.

 

[Visualante2]

Typically exploits help hardware sales that Nintendo oh so desperately needs right now.

 

[Foffy]

3DS' security is YEARS ahead of WiiU's

WiiU's backward compatibility was hacked basicaly from day one and it is still there ... DS flashcards where stopped so fast in 3DS that wasn't even funny

The only cards actually stopped on 3DS were the earlier types of cards. Any of the refined cards get 3DS updates in hours if the next update stops them.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

this
I wish people would finally understand that Nintendo does not dictat any prices on 3rd party software on eshop.
plus Ubisoft did have a sale lately. All ubisoft games (AC3, Rabbits, ZombiU) were discounted at 29.90

So, is the sentiment that Nintendo has a completely hands-off approach wherein they are unable to organize sales promotions within their own store? I don't think many suspect that Nintendo has the authority to just arbitrarily decide what other publishers' games should cost and should have Steam-like holiday sales all the time. But that doesn't mean that they can't be more aggressive in trying to move product in their store.

 

[test_account]

Typically exploits help hardware sales that Nintendo oh so desperately needs right now.

That is true, but it wont be of much help if the software sales doesnt increase as well. I think that Nintendo is losing money on the WiiU console sale itself, so only increasing those sales wont do much good if the software sales isnt increasing as well.

EDIT: And the asscessory sales as well, that need to increase too.

 

[iamaustrian]

So, is the sentiment that Nintendo has a completely hands-off approach wherein they are unable to organize sales promotions within their own store? I don't think many suspect that Nintendo has the authority to just arbitrarily decide what other publishers' games should cost and should have Steam-like holiday sales all the time. But that doesn't mean that they can't be more aggressive in trying to move product in their store.

but they do have sales all the time. in both, the WiiU - and the 3DS eshop.
also the promotions for new games and the games on sale are pretty damn good (on the WiiU eshop at least).

 

[Steve Youngblood]

but they do have sales all the time. in both, the WiiU - and the 3DS eshop.
also the promotions for new games and the games on sale are pretty damn good (on the WiiU eshop at least).

Then, wouldn't you cite that they do have aggressive pricing on their store frequently as opposed to seemingly agreeing that the pricing on the eShop isn't very good, but then attempting to shift blame from Nintendo by asserting that they aren't the end-all-be-all authority on pricing on the shop?