2 years ago iirc. No one gave a shit until Kotaku complained.
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Gearbox Artist trashes Dragons Crown art style
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2 years ago iirc. No one gave a shit until Kotaku complained.
When you've never been with a woman cleavage and mild burlesque look a lot like sinewy, heaving child-tits.
Because of Kotaku
balladofwindfishes
Member
Yea, took me a sec to remember that name too.
She's made a lot of money from Valve games heh
cutmeamango
Banned
Caricature is exaggeration.
Intent, execution and subsequent reader response are secondary to it.
That is, criticism and subversion are not implicit qualities.
SolidSnakex
Member
Haunted
Member
Yeah, he said parody and followed it up with caricature, which led to me misunderstanding. We've cleared it up on the last page.
CambriaRising
Member
Does this artist do character designs or is it strictly environments?
Just curious what her style is if she draws characters. (Genuinely)
Just curious what her style is if she draws characters. (Genuinely)
balladofwindfishes
Member
She makes background models and textures, so I really doubt that
FaustsBoon
Member
No! You guys just don't understand.... Moxie is an empowered woman who chooses to use her sexuality to.... oh fuck it, I give up.
Stupid non-news.
Stupid non-news.
Monocle
Member
As though people don't talk that way all the time online and in real life, at least among friends. Are we pretending to be scandalized by a touch of hyperbole now?
Dark Octave
Banned
It doesn't matter if it's her work or not. It's work from a company she is or was a part of (she obviously has seen it), that she neglects to address the same way as she did for the other work for a company that she didn't work for.
If you're going to have an issue, at least be fair and equal about that issue.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
First of all it was directly in response to a post which consisted solely of "Her art's so shit, she should come back in 10 years when she's improved because then her argument will be more valid". Secondly I go on to elaborate on how I feel they're better designed women due to the points that she brought up, not that they're technically superior but you decided to edit that part of the quote out.
I don't understand this attitude. Is the Dragons Crown art meant to be sexual and provocative? Sure. Might it turn some people away? Of course. I dig it, though, it appeals to me. I fully appreciate that some people are getting completely turned off by the designs, though.
Art is so subjective. Everyone likes different things, is offended by different things. There is literally nothing you can create that won't offend SOMEone out there. If the art in DC flips some switches for the artist, and he enjoys it, I hope he keeps on creating it. There is NO reason that every game has to cater to as wide an audience as possible. It would get really boring, really quickly.
Just because the art may seem to be offending more people than usual is no reason to change it. In fact, I'm glad people are talking. I'm happy people are taking notice. As gleefully as some people are pointing out the fact that the game is what's wrong with the hobby today, it seems to me like there are very few games that even attempt this kind of thing. If this was the norm, people wouldn't even take a second look. The fact that's it's so wildly out there is the reason folks are taking notice.
I just wish people would discuss it in a civil way. Just saying the artist is 14 or in 5th grade, or 'fucking lol' doesn't MEAN anything. If you don't like it, fine, but try to bring it up in a mature manner.
Art is so subjective. Everyone likes different things, is offended by different things. There is literally nothing you can create that won't offend SOMEone out there. If the art in DC flips some switches for the artist, and he enjoys it, I hope he keeps on creating it. There is NO reason that every game has to cater to as wide an audience as possible. It would get really boring, really quickly.
Just because the art may seem to be offending more people than usual is no reason to change it. In fact, I'm glad people are talking. I'm happy people are taking notice. As gleefully as some people are pointing out the fact that the game is what's wrong with the hobby today, it seems to me like there are very few games that even attempt this kind of thing. If this was the norm, people wouldn't even take a second look. The fact that's it's so wildly out there is the reason folks are taking notice.
I just wish people would discuss it in a civil way. Just saying the artist is 14 or in 5th grade, or 'fucking lol' doesn't MEAN anything. If you don't like it, fine, but try to bring it up in a mature manner.
SolidSnakex
Member
You can say whatever you like, but people shouldn't act shocked when there's an extreme negative reaction to it. That's exactly what happened to Jason when he called Kamitani a 14 year old and suggested that he was drawing a lolicon fantasy.
djplaeskool
Member
Throwing stones...
glass houses...
etc...
Saying you don't like it, fine.
That whole jail thing crosses a line a professional should be more mindful of.
glass houses...
etc...
Saying you don't like it, fine.
That whole jail thing crosses a line a professional should be more mindful of.
Monocle
Member
I don't think the artist's comments are worth a shitstorm. Not by a long shot.
that takes effort.
That is really good.
That is a good point, I was pretty good at drawing in the 5th grade now that I think about it. Even so , as an artist when I look at my old stuff. I cringe.
reptilescorpio
Member
I like a lot of her art! I can see why she got picked up through iD, some nice stuff in there.
This weirded me out though
This weirded me out though
Only a virgin could mix up the sexualization in Borderlands with the sexualization in Dragon's Crown.
CambriaRising
Member
Thank you.
She was posting in an internet forum. If you look at the responses here on gaf (most of which haven't even bothered to get the gender of the commentator right), you'll see the approximate level of discourse required.
SolidSnakex
Member
Any comment from someone in the industry about this game is going to cause a shitstorm because the Kotaku reaction caused a lot of gamers to become extremely pissed/annoyed.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Thank goodness she's not their character artist. I'd love to see her comments about the Gearbox characters that have been posted.
you always have to remember the difference between saying and writing, you know.
"verba volant, scripta manent"
Pyrrhus
Member
Yeah, that's more or less what I figured. A pretty worthless sentiment.
Some are headswaps of Females, like the Engie and Heavy. the Spy and medic look decent
SniperHunter
Banned
Gearbox shouldn't be talking shit about anything. They are a bunch of con artists as far as I am concerned. They fooled everyone with aliens...Sega, gamers and alien fans.
Winterfang
Banned
Quite the contrary. An Artist is more prone to criticism of a fellow one, it's a good thing though.
I wish people attacked One Piece as much as they do Dragon's Crown. I hate how the females look in there.
Yeah, he said parody and followed it up with caricature, which led to me misunderstanding. We've cleared it up on the last page.
I agree that katamani's style of caricature is subversive though. Not in that it aims criticism at the characters or setting; just at conservative character design in general.
tkscz
Member
Both, she does female TF2 models for fun. I actually like them. I tend to see her female scout and spy used a lot.
Monocle
Member
It was a throwaway remark on a forum. It's not like she held a press conference to officially denounce the art style in her capacity as a professional.
My communication is more irreverent and less inhibited on forums than in other settings. The same probably applies to Ms. Hamm and the majority of the people who have jumped on the manufactured controversy train.
Criticism = censorship?