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[Tathanen]

I think he's probably right. To a point. RE: too much of this kind of game, not necessarily this SPECIFIC game.

Though I also think his own work as of late has been a pile of horse crap.

Guess you don't have to be good at what you do in order to have an opinion!

 

[AB12]

In the comments he further backs his opinion up. Seems he is just tired of shooters that don't bring anything new to the industry, yet people get excited and buy them anyways.

I my not like it as well, but let people enjoy what they like.

 

[shinobi602]

Does making this Wolfenstein stop anyone else from making different games?

Fuck off Warren.

 

[blurrygil]

I'm also sick and tired of military shooters, but I think it's misguided to take that out on Wolfenstein. It has a much more interesting setting than the Call of Dutys of this world.

This sums up my feelings as well. But I have to admit, Wolfenstein is a classic fave franchise of mine.

Warren has been pretty vocal on his FB in the past year about stuff going in the industry (and with other topics). He's a fantastic and passionate guy. But yeah, he's been going off quite a bit, so this doesn't really surprise me so much.

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

He's right.

.

The game looks like just another cash in.

 

[Risette]

Instead of polarizing statements like this, why not advocate for more of the other things that he wants? You know, more diversity? Oh, right, rational uncontroversial statements wouldn't get people to draw attention to some has-been's Facebook posts.

Dude needs a hobby.

 

[akidnamededdy]

I'm tired of these adolescent male power fantasies in an industry whose audience is predominantly adolescent males!

 

[Always-honest]

He's not speaking for anyone but himself, though...

He's speaking for the world

 

[nubbe]

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/critics-spar-over-star-wars-trilogy-on-1983-nightline-episode-18344732

 

[CookTrain]

I'd be curious to hear what game the world actually does need. At the end of the day, they're still playthings and so long as people are enjoying them, that's all the need that's required.

This is just snobbery, to my ears.

 

[Desty]

The world needs generic shooters to make the non-generic ones look good!

 

[antitrop]

Jim Sterling just put up his take on it:

http://www.destructoid.com/warren-spector-so-tired-of-stuff-like-wolfenstein-253257.phtml

He literally does not know what's going on with this game. How can he then deride those for not knowing what went on with his?

The market is definitely saturated with a handful of ideas, and variety is sorely needed -- but singling out a new game and dumping on it after seeing nothing but a teaser trailer is a downright odious way to go about making the point.

 

[SmithnCo]

Sounds like Warren needs to lighten up.

 

[kazebyaka]

Skrew you, Spector.

 

[leatherhat]

I would hesitate to say that any game falls into the "need" category

 

[nelsonroyale]

Dammit Warren, I expected a bit more of an open mind by you, seems kinda dismissive to just write that because it's not his cup of tea.


Are you sure? Tell us more about it.

Okay, I enjoyed the Castle Wolvenstein or whatever, but I think the series has become pretty obselte. This looks about as good an idea as Terminator 3 to me.

 

[i-Lo]

I don't fully support his statement but he does have a point or two.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Examples of Ad Hominem:

-You can't believe Jack when he says the proposed policy would help the economy. He doesn't even have a job.


-Mary claims that beef is high in protein. How would she know that when she's a vegetarian?


-Warren Spector's criticism of the FPS glut can't be legitimate... 'cause EPIC MICKY SUXX!

 

[Herla]

Mr. Warren Spector, you made what I consider to be the greatest game of all time.
And then you stopped.

That's all. I don't even care about Wolfenstein. And not because it's a "adolescent male power fantasy", but because I don't even know HOW THE FLIPPING THING PLAYS.

 

[vio]

So the world does not need more sci-fi shooters? WTF? (ノಠ益&#3232ノ彡┻━┻

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I agree with Warren and feel that the comments attacking him as a person are off base.

But that's all that will be in this thread, and no discussion of his actually valid points.

 

[mephixto]

Epic Mickey or not, the man has a point.

Hopefully he's wrong and the game has some redeeming value.

Another generic FPS is one thing the world does not need.

Glad you played it already, can you tell us more why you felt it generic?

 

[R3TRODYCE]

I agree.

 

[badgenome]

So... he didn't ask for this?

 

[Zeouterlimits]

Oh social media.

I'm glad Warren is being honest at least. A bit more of the off the cuff comments would at least be interesting for me to read.

 

[JDSN]

Shame he went full Jack Thompson after Epic MIckey, cant believe I defended the guy for so long.

 

[Omegasquash]

Again with the criticism of work that others do. Spector sounds irate, annoyed and generally whiny. Thanks for leaving.

 

[MYE]

The guy seems to have grown bitter and cynical towards the games industry. Maybe he needs to take a long vacation or think about retiring.

Hard not to grow bitter and cynical towards an industry that is mostly run, reported and sustained by bitter and cynical people.

edit: Just look at most of the replies in this thread lol

 

[kevinski]

Isn't Wolfenstein the original kill-the-Nazi-giant-robot series, though? I love Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and I enjoyed Wolfenstein, as well. If this is as good as either of those games, then it'll be worthwhile.

 

[JehutyRunner]

Warren Spector=war inspector

Spoiler

geddit?

 

[GoddyofAus]

Epic Mickey sucked, Warren. I'm sorry, but it did. You should have stuck to the concept art.

 

[vagabondarts]

The world didn't need Epic Mickey, either

Should have been the first post

 

[1-D_FTW]

Nothing wrong with another Wolfenstein.

Spector losing his ability to create magic is what the world didn't need.

 

[marrec]

Again with the criticism of work that others do. Spector sounds irate, annoyed and generally whiny. Thanks for leaving.

I don't think he's criticising the work, but instead the culture that encourages the work.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Shame he went full Jack Thompson after Epic MIckey, cant believe I defended the guy for so long.

 

[Oddduck]

What's with this dude always criticizing people's work when he put out Epic Mickey 2, a complete turd? I remember last time when he became so outspoken about Lollipop Chainsaw.

http://kotaku.com/5982586/warren-spector-doesnt-think-lollipop-chainsaw-should-have-been-made

 

[Blizzard]

Jim Sterling just put up his take on it:

http://www.destructoid.com/warren-spector-so-tired-of-stuff-like-wolfenstein-253257.phtml

I think this is a reasonable response about the actual points: "...singling out a new game and dumping on it after seeing nothing but a teaser trailer is a downright odious way to go about making the point."

Yes generic FPS games may get old. But not only is hardly anything known about the new Wolfenstein game, as far as I'm aware, but I would far rather have a FPS dealing with crazy Nazi robots than a 14th Call of Duty iteration or a Gears of War cover shooter clone. Wolfenstein may be many things but I never realized "generic" was a problem people had with it.

 

[Mechazawa]

I agree with Warren and feel that the comments attacking him as a person are off base.

But that's all that will be in this thread, and no discussion of his actually valid points.

What valid points? His points where he bitches and moans about a specific game that he doesn't actually know anything about and is from a group of developers that have generally done interesting things with the medium?

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

He is right tho

 

[plagiarize]

some people clearly wanted another Wolfenstein based on the reveal thread, even after the last one kind of flopped (was far from a bad game, mind). I suppose you can argue that the failure of the last Wolfenstein demonstrates a lack of demand for this, but *need* is a poor choice of word.

The world doesn't need another *insert any type of game* here either.

 

[akidnamededdy]

I agree with Warren and feel that the comments attacking him as a person are off base.

But that's all that will be in this thread, and no discussion of his actually valid points.

I don't think anybody's going to disagree that the market is inundated with first person shooters. Other than that, what are his valid points? There's very little else really known about the game yet.

 

[codhand]

Epic Mickey 1 & 2 were crap, and caused the closure of Junction Point Studios. He promoted both Mickey games with Molynuex-esque levels of hyperbole, and he failed with them, critically and commercially. He should make something memorable or go away.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

He is totally right. Not knocking that form of entertainment though, I like it well enough.

 

[pakkit]

I'm glad more people are criticizing the adolescent mainstream. Warren is making an observation about the industry as a whole, not specifically targeting Wolfenstein. As more and more gamers reach middle and older age, I think there will be more clamor for games that target their demographic.

And once again, plenty of NeoGAF members seem unable to divorce a single developers projects with his opinion. There are hundreds of people involved in making a single mainstream game nowadays, not just Warren.

 

[abadguy]

I'd be curious to hear what game the world actually does need. At the end of the day, they're still playthings and so long as people are enjoying them, that's all the need that's required.

This is just snobbery, to my ears.

Pretty much. Couldn't give a shit whether or not a game is an "adolescent male power fantasy" as much as "does it play well" and most importantly "is it fun". As was already said, maybe he should concentrate on making the games he feels should be made instead of sitting on his high horse shitting on other people's work.

 

[The Illiterati]

He's 100% right. But adolescent male power fantasies are what sell, right?

 

[ciridesu]

DOOM 4 is announced "OH MY GOD WHATS WITH ALL THE FPS'S COME ON YOU SO GENERIC"

Classic series should not deviate from their recipe purely, because there exists too many imitators. Come on bro.

 

[18-Volt]

That words would make much more sense if Miyamoto said.

 

[Marcel]

I'm not a big fan of the new Wolfenstein either, but Epic Mickey, Warren. You lose your license to talk trash when you make trash. Twice.

 

[Maxrunner]

I agree with him....bethesda sucks too so yeah...