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[Bony Manifesto]

I don't know... Wolfenstein looks pretty dull to me, but it's very much the videogame equivalent of genre fiction, so if you don't like it, you should probably just move along and play something you do enjoy.

And while using the Jimi Hendrix version of All Along The Watchtower is a toe-curling cliche, complaining about his songs being inappropriate for an "adolescent male power fantasy" seems like just as much a rewriting of history as them featuring in a game set during World War 2.

 

[AOC83]

That words would make much more sense if Miyamoto said.

The world didn´t need another NSMB.

 

[Azih]

Huh, Cranky old man syndrome.

Gaming is wide enough for a lot of different themes maan.

Does the world really need another Tom Clancy novel?

 

[Kusagari]

There's a 99% chance the new Wolfenstein will be more fun than anything Spector has made in a decade.

He sounds like a bitter old man.

 

[Marcel]

He's 100% right. But adolescent male power fantasies are what sell, right?

Wolfenstein 2009 was a huge bust so not always.

 

[dark_prinny]

 

[Omegasquash]

I don't think he's criticising the work, but instead the culture that encourages the work.

You're right...he can't criticize the work because he hasn't really seen it yet. It's an old franchise that someone is cashing in on for sure, but the delivery is pretty bad. It comes off as him speaking for the industry, when he absolutely does not.

If he had said something like "It's a shame that they're putting development into this as opposed to something new, would have liked to see something fresh" my opinion would be different.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Warren Spector needs to shut the fuck up

 

[Tummi Gummi]

I wish people would stop using "we need" or "shouldn't we" or a rhetorical "do we".

 

[Vilix]

In the comments he further backs his opinion up. Seems he is just tired of shooters that don't bring anything new to the industry, yet people get excited and buy them anyways.

Which is why I hope the industry falls flat on its face. Between the FPSs and all but having to pay for a lot of extra stuff that used to unlocked if you actually played the game I'm not excited about anything coming out in the future.

 

[ZeroGravity]

Adolescent male fantasies are the best fantasies.

 

[somesayyea]

he's not wrong

 

[Duane Cunningham]

It's a bummer that if Warren Spector makes a point about something, the thread has to be 80% drive-by posts about Epic Mickey instead.

 

[Permanently A]

Agreed, I'm pretty burned out on FPS at this point.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

I don't think it was wise to single-out any one game when trying to make this point, and for Wolfenstein fans I am happy that you are getting a new entry in the franchise.

But the dark, mature, FPS stagnation (or dark/mature games in general) is getting extremely old and is quite honestly very bad for the industry. On that front I agree 100% with Spector, no matter what (crappy as of late) games he has developed beforehand.

 

[Effect]

So for those saying no one has played the game why you think people can't already see how this is going to play out?

All straight FPS play the same. They're all dark and violent. They're all go from A to B, watch cut scene or maybe take part in a quick time event and then repeat. Maybe throw in some melee combat to "spice" things up along with some banter so you don't just hear gun fire the entire time. You kill wave after wave of enemies until you hit the invisible check point. Then stay out of combat a few seconds so health can regenerate.

What about the Riddick game was different that makes people think those assuming the above are wrong and shouldn't voice any opinions now?

 

[Confidence Man]

That is one salty old man. Also coming from the publisher that just put out Dishonored his aggravation seems a little misplaced.

 

[Foshy]

Jim Sterling just put up his take on it:

http://www.destructoid.com/warren-spector-so-tired-of-stuff-like-wolfenstein-253257.phtml

Yeah, Jim expressed Spector's point much better than he did himself.

 

[Risette]

It's a bummer that if Warren Spector makes a point about something, the thread has to be 80% drive-by posts about Epic Mickey instead.

He would need to make a point first.

 

[muddream]

So what are the other supernatural robot nazi shooters out there?

 

[Izick]

I agree with him....bethesda sucks too so yeah...

Didn't know they were making the game and not MachineGames.

So what are the other supernatural robot nazi shooters out there?

 

[antitrop]

Wolfenstein 2009 was a huge bust so not always.

It was a good game, though. RIP Raven.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

It's a bummer that if Warren Spector makes a point about something

Enlighten us, what was his point, exactly?

 

[akidnamededdy]

It's a bummer that if Warren Spector makes a point about something, the thread has to be 80% drive-by posts about Epic Mickey instead.

It's a point that basically boils down to "rarrr too many FPS bang bang games." He's not exactly dropping deep wisdom on us.

 

[faceless007]

It's weird how when a developer gives an opinion, that's presumed to be inherently less valid than when any number of posters here say the exact same thing.

Agree or disagree with him; his prior output doesn't give him any less right to speak out about the industry than anybody here has.

 

[MDSLKTR]

What makes him think his opinion matters? He himself almost destroyed the same franchise that got him relevant in the first place.

 

[B.O.O.M]

That's just embarrassing

 

[codhand]

It was a good game, though. RIP Raven.

blasfeemer, Raven live on.
and yes, 09' Wolf was good

 

[Totobeni]

I agree with him....bethesda sucks too so yeah...

Not developed by Bethesda,game is by Machinegames ( guys behind Chronicles of Reddick and The Darkness).

 

[Oddduck]

It's a bummer that if Warren Spector makes a point about something, the thread has to be 80% drive-by posts about Epic Mickey instead.

It's one thing to give your opinion on the problems with the game industry.

But Warren Spector has enough influence over the industry where he can provide a solution to the problem. He's not some kid on a message board.

Epic Mickey games are just as bad as a generic FPS. I don't see how his last few games have made the industry better. If they did, all of those people at Junction Point wouldnt have been laid off.

 

[Remachinate]

I'm not a big fan of the new Wolfenstein either, but Epic Mickey, Warren. You lose your license to talk trash when you make trash. Twice.

Do people not understand the difference between a game that tried to do something different and fell short of expectations, and a game that's trying to the same thing as dozens of others, such that it doesn't matter how well-executed it may be?

Spector's recent failures to make a mechanically fun game have no bearing on his ability to discuss how finite publisher money is going to samey projects than attempting something new.

 

[Sapphire Dreams]

A lot of people give Warren a bad rep for Epic Mickey and forgetting his real failure. Case and point :

 

[Marcel]

What makes him think his opinion matters? He himself almost destroyed the same franchise that got him relevant in the first place.

If you're talking about Invisible War, that was Harvey Smith.

 

[Risette]

Do people not understand the difference between a game that tried to do something different and fell short of expectations, and a game that's trying to the same thing as dozens of others, such that it doesn't matter how well-executed it may be?

Spector's recent failures to make a mechanically fun game have no bearing on his ability to discuss how finite publisher money is going to samey projects than attempting something new.

No. Ideas and "tries" are worthless. Only quality of the end result matters.

 

[marrec]

You're right...he can't criticize the work because he hasn't really seen it yet. It's an old franchise that someone is cashing in on for sure, but the delivery is pretty bad. It comes off as him speaking for the industry, when he absolutely does not.

If he had said something like "It's a shame that they're putting development into this as opposed to something new, would have liked to see something fresh" my opinion would be different.

The way he said it comes off aggressive and old and bitter, but there's an important point buried under all that.

The question should be: Do we need another Wolfenstein game if it's more of the same type of gameplay? That's a dangerous question to ask though, asking to justify any type of entertainment is kind of a moot point.

 

[Kusagari]

Do people not understand the difference between a game that tried to do something different and fell short of expectations, and a game that's trying to the same thing as dozens of others, such that it doesn't matter how well-executed it may be?

Spector's recent failures to make a mechanically fun game have no bearing on his ability to discuss how finite publisher money is going to samey projects than attempting something new.

Yes it does. Spector got money to try to make a good, really good, licensed game and he failed twice.

If he wants less samey projects maybe he should have tried not to make two shit games when he got the chance.

 

[RoboPlato]

Wow, what a dick. Alternate history, Nazi themed FPS aren't exactly common and it sounds like the team is one that knows how to make a good shooter.

 

[Andrew.]

Sterling on point yet again.

W-Spec needs to learn to adapt and overcome.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

The world didn´t need another NSMB.

Good thing the world disagrees with you.

 

[Sblargh]

The problem is not too much adolescent power male fantasy, it is too little of other kinds.

Do I want more varied games? Yes.

Do I want less giant robot killer nazis? Not really.

 

[Kajiba]

Damn. He's mad.

 

[Marcel]

Wow, what a dick. Alternate history, Nazi themed FPS aren't exactly common and it sounds like the team is one that knows how to make a good shooter.

I know you're trying to give yourself an out with the 'alternate history' thing, but come on. Really?

 

[SaggyMonkey]

The world doesn't "need" anything. Not video games, not 20,000 page David Cage scripts, not horrible boring Mickey Mouse games, not to be told what kind of entertainment to make or consume, fuuuuuuck.

 

[MDSLKTR]

If you're talking about Invisible War, that was Harvey Smith.

No it's him and Warren, Harvey redeemed himself with dishonored.

 

[Hot Coldman]

I feel like, if there's one franchise that can get a pass on being "just another FPS", it's Wolfenstein.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Do people not understand the difference between a game that tried to do something different and fell short of expectations, and a game that's trying to the same thing as dozens of others, such that it doesn't matter how well-executed it may be?

Spector's recent failures to make a mechanically fun game have no bearing on his ability to discuss how finite publisher money is going to samey projects than attempting something new.

Innovation doesn't mean a goddamn thing if it's not any good. I'll take a quality shooter about shooting Nazis than an "innovative" game built on not-fun game mechanics any day of the week.

 

[Flame Lord]

where all these nazi mech games that I seem to have been missing?

 

[marrec]

I feel like, if there's one franchise that can get a pass on being "just another FPS", it's Wolfenstein.

Why? Because it's an old FPS franchise?

 

[Goldenroad]

Agreed. More crappy licensed Disney games please.

Spoiler

half joking of course

 

[Alchemy]

He is correct, but he doesn't have the status to get away with a post in that tone. Epic Mickey 1 and 2 more or less prove Spector was just in the right place at the right time for Deus Ex, he doesn't deliver product to product.