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Major Nelson: Can play used games on different Xbox w/o fee but in your profile only
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Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
As I said in the other thread, you need to qualify your argument. So far you have not.
I guess you think if you keep repeating it, it will be true?
Chaplain
Member
Excellent point.
Harrison specifically said they will have a plan for it but aren't discussing it. He was talking about having one (physical) copy tied to multiple accounts at once when he mentioned the fee
Pay a fee.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
wrong thread
On his profile. I think that's still true. And if I lend my friend games, which I do all the time, he is not logging into his Xbox as me. That is now dead.
That is a problem and that is not how it is today.
This is wrong. It is NOT like Steam.
I had a friend visit last summer. I have two PCs.
I put one of them in off line mode. He played my Steam library on it all week while I used my other one in online mode.
There are like a dozen posts on the same page of people explaining how Steam is different...
No, that was Kotaku. It was never supported by the quotes they gave.
Right, but that is a different scenario than the original Kotaku article claimed
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I don't feel I need to explain any more how they're different. You're free to question me, if you wish? To me it's exactly the same but they're maintaining a retail presence.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Fuck no
I'm probably in the minority here, but I like them being treated the same, as I prefer digital but like the option of buying at retail.
hard to read with salt encrusted eyes.
What people most love to pretend is that being on an open (PC) versus a closed (consoles) platform doesn't make a massive difference for consumers, competition and the welfare of the medium as a whole.
TheFeedingHand
Member
Huh? I don't want my buddy using my profile just to play the game I lent him.
And Achievements will make people too neurotic to do this, nevermind the possibility of cloud saves meaning they'd STILL fuck your game up. No thanks.
It's reaching the point where there probably should be a topic made just to shut those fools down. PC's kind of the wild west with modern military gear, you have to do something to protect yourselves if you don't want to take a chance with fully open, and account based systems are the most reasonable way to do that. On consoles it's overkill, pretty much just Orwellian crap to have this sort of heavy handed control when a system without gaping holes in its security IS strong anti-piracy in and of itself.
Robot Pants
Member
Do you have physical copies of games on steam?
I -get- that it's a physical copy. That is the only type of copy I have ever tried to lend. Who lends xbla games?
Right, you can play your games on another Xbox, but only if you log in to your account. But lending games to your friends is out. If you lend a game to a friend and they try to play it through their profile, then they will have to pay $60.00 (full price) in order to play the game as well. Each game is tied to an account and locked behind a paywall.
Oh I dunno what kotaku said. They are horrible.
No one, but no one seems to make a fuss about it.
I still don't see it.
On Steam you need to signed in and on the internet. So, please whilst quoting me, how is it different?
Besides I'm completely certain that you can play the game with just the disc if it's second hand. I'm certain the fee is just for the install.
Otherwise this would mean offline Xbox Ones can't play anything.
There won't be any great deals on Xbox One (or any at all) because MS is attempting to price fix every aspect of the games.
Cloud gaming works when it's cheap. If you give up some of your rights to a product, you shouldn't have to pay the same price.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
If you want to use a comparison, it's basically identical to XBLA.
Steam is not even close to being comparable, especially when you have XBLA which is the perfect analogy.
You can buy a disc with a download code, and probably save bandwidth by installing from a disc, or buy it directly from the xblive store.
sublimit
Banned
And wouldn;t that mean that you'll not be able to use your profile for as long as he uses it in his system?Lol what a mess.
Yes, I do think it is shitty. It doesn't affect me, but it is obviously anti-consumer with the only benefit being the elimination of disc swapping. People pass discs around all the time and will obviously be hurt by this. Unfortunately, I feel people have embraced the model with digital stores clearly being the future
rain elbows
Member
Damage control, what a clusterfuck. The wording is very careful not to explain how lending a game used on a separate profile would work.
TheFeedingHand
Member
This whole thing will kill piracy, so I'm guessing bans won't be as common.
As far as we know, you can't play from the disk. The install is mandatory.
I can't see how they would allow this. If it worked this way, I could register a game on a friend's system using my account, then migrate my account back to my own system and play logged in, while he played on his system where the game was originally registered. Basically what you can do with XBLA content right now. It would effectively cut the cost of a new game in half for some people, so I imagine there will be something in place to prevent concurrent use.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Steam isn't PC. Steam is a platform that runs on PC/Mac/Linux. I don't see how the PC being open has any impact whatsoever on the fact that Steam is a system that sells you licenses for games, doesn't allow you to trade them in and can not play games offline for eternity.
But I already have Steam on my PC. They're not convincing me to buy a new box that is going to overprice games that are 8 months old.
So you buy a game and redeem the "activation" on your XBox account. Now you are the sole owner.
But your friend wants to play it at his place. His choice is either log into your account (which will kick you out at your home console) and play it with your save files or play it under his account but pay some fee to play it, sorta like an online pass or offline DRM pass. To play whats on the disk that has been paid for already.
Yup this is bullshit. This is nothing like XBLA because this is retail games here not digital content tied to your account. So they have invented an offline pass for ALL retail, disk based games. Holy hell thats worse than I thought.
But your friend wants to play it at his place. His choice is either log into your account (which will kick you out at your home console) and play it with your save files or play it under his account but pay some fee to play it, sorta like an online pass or offline DRM pass. To play whats on the disk that has been paid for already.
Yup this is bullshit. This is nothing like XBLA because this is retail games here not digital content tied to your account. So they have invented an offline pass for ALL retail, disk based games. Holy hell thats worse than I thought.
As far as we know isn't good enough. We need a proper answer.
Here, let me help you
Yeah but what about the guy who got banned because he supposedly legitimately bought a copy of Halo 4 from a store a few days before its official release date, and stupidly trying to play the game while logged into XBL. He got banned, and he had to buy a new xbox.
Would he have also lost his whole game collection if he were playing on Xbox One?
fluffydelusions
Member
It's not just a fee, though. They have to pay full fucking price to play the game through their account. They have to buy the game.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I love how people are treating Steam = PC. PC is a lot more than just steam. Free games, Non-DRM games and platforms like GOG, etc...
Call me when you find that on Xbox One.
Call me when you find that on Xbox One.
mediapulp_wes
Member
Anyone thinking of giving their mate/kids access to their profile while they're not there. Consider that Kinect is mandatory and detects your presence. What if Kinect is the only way you can switch accounts?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
That is the case based on Phil Harison's interview.
It's exactly like XBLA, it's just extended to EVERYTHING.
Edit:
Also, Mr. Yoshida is awesome.
heliosRAzi
Banned
And that answer is what we have right now. You can wish for other things, but until new evidence comes to light, we gotta go with what has been presented.