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MS marketing director: "We are going to kill Sony at E3!"
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perineumlick
Member
How long can MS sustain the money hat business model, especially if the PS4 launches to impressive sales? At some point these third parties who were formerly multiplatform are gonna say "Fuck that, gimme some of those PS4 sales!"
It's a stupid phrase for them to come out and say, and I don't think they'll deliver. But if they show a Conker, new amazing looking shooter IP from Black Tusk and a new RPG from Lionhead, I think they'll do good.
If they're gonna have anything amazing it's gonna have to come from them, thankfully they've been bulking up their first party but that willingly goes ignored around here for some people ..
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
FF at its peak did 9-10 million bro. FF13 did 6.6 million. I can easily see a well received FF surpassing that.
Fallout 3 shipped 5 million.
Fallout 3 sold 1.6 million in NPD meanwhile FF13 sold 1.3 million in its NPD. Thats where Fallout sells the best and it only managed to outsell FF by 300k. To put things into perspective FF13 sold 1.7 million in Japan in one week.
Nevergiveup
Banned
Final Fantasy isn't a system swaying franchise anymore , in fact I'd argue that most RPG lovers will already buy a ps4.
immortal-joe
Member
Calling it still like I called it before.
Exclusives out the ass.
Their focus isn't on "what can we create for our customers"
it's "what can we take away from the competition's customers"
It worked like a charm for them on 360, and it will work again. Expect insanity. Sony will be outgunned in terms of games, pure and simple.
Exclusives out the ass.
Their focus isn't on "what can we create for our customers"
it's "what can we take away from the competition's customers"
It worked like a charm for them on 360, and it will work again. Expect insanity. Sony will be outgunned in terms of games, pure and simple.
They'll be Viva Pinata and Kinect Sports god tier. Get ready to be blown
Not this generation it hasn't been, going on general chart sales Fallout 3 has sold over 8m, FF13 over 7m. Fallout New Vegas over 7m, FF13-2 over 3m. Sales for Fallout on current generation consoles have outsold Final Fantasy by a few million, FF this generation across multiple consoles has barely kept up with Final Fantasy on one console last generation.
FF still gets a great number of sales, but it doesn't have the pulling power it used to, long development times along with just generally being considered to be sub-par titles hasn't helped the franchise.
wapplew
Member
Microsoft can kill Sony at e3 however they want, my only concern is the long time commitment to the console. Given their history, they might spend 1b for games and money hat and such for the first 2 years, will they continue to give us varied tittle throughout the whole console cycle?
If your idea of "huge" third party franchises is so restrictive as to only allow 5 entries, then yes, FF is not "huge".
Personally, I think few people would subscribe to such a definition.
dragonbane
Member
FF currently isn't as huge as it was, but a new mainline entry with good quality and marketing has the ability to sell 6m copies easily. That's not Elder Scrolls big, but not bad either.
I think people have to know that MS will be hitting hard and fast with money hats.
They do not want this gen to drag out, they saw what happened with this gen.
They had many advantages this gen and PS3 started at a huge disadvantage in the minds of the press and many people with the price and the line up and ms had better versions of 80% of all games that were released for both systems and many still say that PS3 will end ahead world wide.
Microsoft will buy every exclusive they can for early on, no matter what it takes.
I do expect them to try and tie up Kojima, I do expect them to tie up Bethesda for something, Mirrors Edge would not surprise me, and GTA would really not surprise me either (360, PS3, but only XBOX One for next gen).
They want people to look at the shiny in their one hand to forget that the other hand is working its way up your ass.
And for many of the masses it works.
They do not want this gen to drag out, they saw what happened with this gen.
They had many advantages this gen and PS3 started at a huge disadvantage in the minds of the press and many people with the price and the line up and ms had better versions of 80% of all games that were released for both systems and many still say that PS3 will end ahead world wide.
Microsoft will buy every exclusive they can for early on, no matter what it takes.
I do expect them to try and tie up Kojima, I do expect them to tie up Bethesda for something, Mirrors Edge would not surprise me, and GTA would really not surprise me either (360, PS3, but only XBOX One for next gen).
They want people to look at the shiny in their one hand to forget that the other hand is working its way up your ass.
And for many of the masses it works.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Funny how you, someone who started a thread about how ps3 still hadn't surpassed 360 a few months ago (because idc numbers weren't correct and whatnot), go around making quotes like "Hasn't FF always been exclusive to PS in Japan, where it does the bulk of sales??".
I figured someone like you would at least look these numbers up.
If FF14 sells 4m in the west I'll say it's a huge deal for PS4, I don't see it getting back to that 6m+ range though.
Skyrim improved on Scrolls enormously, unlike FF which has just kept dropping this past gen (in sales and quality). You don't envisage a scenario, not unlikely that the same can be done for Fallout?
I mean, I don't think it's gonna be exclusive anyway.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Where did you get these number from?
FF15 bro 14 is an MMO
IF FF13 could do 6+ I can see FF15. I think your underestimating how many FF fans there are. Its pretty much the biggest rpg name in gaming history.
No, Elder scrolls is a bigger brand than Fallout. Also you say Fallout can grow but why can't FF?
IMO the current Square can't make a decent FF though. They're more likely to make another disappointing game in the series.
AranhaHunter
Banned
If they plan to spend $1 billion to get exclusive titles then they can back up what they are claiming. With $1 billion, you can ensure the vast majority of huge, big, and medium 3rd party titles are exclusive. From COD to Battlefield to GTA/RDR to Fallout/ElderScroll to MGS to FF and so on. I feel fairly confident that with $1 billion you can get all of the above, and more, exclusive to your machine.
wapplew
Member
+1.
Though I don't like this practice, but no doubt is the most power weapon they have.
Exclusive rights to next-gen versions of games won't be enough to eliminate the PS4. If their strategy is to lock up a version of a game that's going to appear on PS3, then I hope they have a backup strategy.
Microsoft would need to buy 3rd-party studios and publishers in order to "Dreamcast" the PS4. That, or give the Xbox One for free.
funkystudent
Member
The difference is one franchise is clearly on a upward trend and the other has been spiralling down for over a decade.
MS has always been smarter about its moneyhats.
BossLackey
Banned
I'm sure Microsoft has some cool titles under their sleeve, but it won't be enough.
Master Genesis Dream
Banned
Long time commitment? You mean like 8 years? The longest any console has a been a company's primary console?
Like that?
Kenshin001
Member
FF13 sold 7 million, seems pretty huge to me. What were Fallout 3's sales like? I know FF13 did 882k in NPD on release on PS3 and 493k on 360. Fallout 3 did 375k on 360 on release, less than Resistance 2 on PS3 which came out the next month.
Brainiac 8
Member
Why do I get Sony PS3 levels of arrogance vibe from MS recently?
BlazingDarkness
Member
Well now we're just in fantasy land now ;p
I would love sequels to those games, but I think Viva Pinata is done. I have no doubt we'll see Kinect Sports Resort/Extreme/3 at launch.
What's that got to do with anything (I was right as it turns out).
I'm not some master of sales knowledge .... I knew FF did well early in the gen but I'm looking at how I view the brand now.
dragonbane
Member
That's why Sony is co-developing. At least that is what the rumours are telling us. If they do that and drop their shitty writer, FF can easily go back to quality.
Ingeniero
Member
Of course, just like the Xbox 360.
indigo-cyclops
Member
The marketing director said this? Oh well then, of course!
I'll just wait and see what happens at E3 before I go crazy.
I'll just wait and see what happens at E3 before I go crazy.
flyinpiranha
Member
It worked for Sony too. It works for both of them.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
Fallout 3 has been out 2 years longer than FF13. Not a great comparison. Have you got links for your sources?
Master Genesis Dream
Banned
I agree. But it's a precisely how Sony played the game with Sega. They took exclusives away from the Dreamcast and did it much more brutally than MS could ever do. Hell, they did it to the Saturn as well.
It would be irony/karma or whatever to see Sony fall victim to a strategy they practiced two cycles ago.
Which part of Sony? Japan? If so I'm still not convinced lol.
SolsticeZero
Banned
MS had their successful generation, just like Sony did with the PS2. Success leads to arrogance. Arrogance leads to disappointment. Disappointment leads to.... suffering....
MightyHedgehog
Member
Eh, you guys and your strange ideas about exclusivity. Especially when it comes to MS. I don't see people riding Sony about it's recent slew of indie exclusives despite them also appearing on PCs, tablets, phones. Dat Sony arrogance and moneyhatting. Seriously, though, why isolate MS when all of them do it. You're going to see them at MS and Sony's show, so there's no reason to believe one is the gamer's saint and savior while the other is a blight upon humanity.
dragonbane
Member
Combined? What are you smoking haha
GTA IV DLC cost MS $50m alone. GTA V in today's market would probably cost $300m. CoD easily more. For $1 billion you could probably buy CoD and GTA at most.Moz La Punk
Member
I'm so sorry but I love stuff like this. Companies calling each other out. It's like that at the start of the generation. All bets are off. Mud will be thrown. Fight each other to death.
As a multiplatform gamer that also likes following the industry, this stuff is gold!
As a multiplatform gamer that also likes following the industry, this stuff is gold!
AstroNut325
Member
Meh... Still not buying. Drop the DRM and I might consider it.
I'm betting it's very densely packed with Kinect family and sports titles. Even an exclusive Rockstar game won't sway me.
I'm betting it's very densely packed with Kinect family and sports titles. Even an exclusive Rockstar game won't sway me.
Turns out they come from VG Chartz, so ignore what I said about sales, about as reliable as a slinky in a waterfall.
I still stand by that FF as a brand doesn't have the same power it once did though, at least not on current consoles after FF13/-2 and going into LR, whether that will change next-gen will be interesting to see especially if the Versus Sony rumour comes to fruition.
Im not so sure about that, to buy a franchise like that even exclusive for one game would cost alot of money, its not just based on what they would sell being on all platforms it would be the damage it would do to that brand in the future. People dont look at the full picture when they post things like that.
Phonomezer
Banned
I just want to know if Microsoft Studios Osaka are making Lost Odyssey 2.