I second this notion.
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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I second this notion.
Well, I think (hope) they thought that Sony want to release a new console this year. But if we are talking about MS these days, nothing seems impossible...
for the longest time the rumor mill always mentioned Sony waiting to 2014. Not sure if MS thought they had some more time, or they were never going to be ready in 2013. For a company that has suddenly dried up on 360 releases, to release a super cheap 360 at E3 i think is a little strange.
Graphics Horse
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That does not tally with Jeff Rigby's favourite famous 2010 leaked document, it's not gospel but it had them going head to head with Sony in 2013.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
This is probably the most realistic scenario. Bitter truth
does MS care about that?
Edit :
that'll be a problem in future. but who knows what will happen in future.
BRocknRolla
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I tend to agree. That would make the delay much more palatable to the general audience. However, it still would be a big PR blow to MS if they had to back out of their 2013 announced release date. I would think that would be a very difficult pill to swallow.
I'd argue people shouldn't have a "patch on [their] shoulder" at all. If information came out tomorrow that the PS4 was seeing a huge hardware decrease and was implementing a bunch of anti-consumer policies, that might entirely change my stance on picking up a PS4. I don't see the point of console brand loyalty.
But, your point that this power difference shouldn't be leading anyone to "apologize" is well taken. I'm sure there will still be great games, and certainly, the graphical fidelity will not be the end all be all; just one of many factors.
Meus Renaissance
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I'm just worried whether this will be bad news for PS4 owners as well if third party publishers are having to work with much inferior hardware.
The title should be
"TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One (possibly downclocking)"
The downclocking wasn't explicitly confirmed as truthfact, and we don't really know what is being downclocked.
Honestly, all it'll take is a new Banjo Kazooie platformer for me to fold. I can't help it.
Miles Quaritch
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I'm not so sure.
People say it's all about the games, but you have to have a good foundation for those games and MS aren't exactly putting their best foot forward. In fact, that's a massive simplification of the mess the One has been since reveal.
I hope they can turn it around, a console market with only one relevant company isn't something that anyone wants.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
So there might be some truth in this?
:/
Oh well... So at this rate, Xbox One is now weaker, but still more powerful than the Wii U, and still weaker than the PS4.
...meh. Forza Motorsports 5 will still look beautiful on Xbox One. Still Day One purchase with Forza Motorsports 5.
Don't care to much about the specs when the games are going to be plentiful and games will still look good and noticeably better than last gen.
:/
Oh well... So at this rate, Xbox One is now weaker, but still more powerful than the Wii U, and still weaker than the PS4.
...meh. Forza Motorsports 5 will still look beautiful on Xbox One. Still Day One purchase with Forza Motorsports 5.
Don't care to much about the specs when the games are going to be plentiful and games will still look good and noticeably better than last gen.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
The news really just keeps coming. I have no idea what MS's engineers were thinking when they designed this machine. It sounds (from what I've read anyway) like the actual build is anything but optimized, like they just threw a bunch of parts onto a board, slapped it in a fancy box and called it a day.
Some please correct me if my reading comprehension is made of fail, but if I understand correctly on a power-scale, Does it change the presumed levels from this:
PS4>Xbone>>>>>>>Wii U
to this:
PS4>>>Xbone>>>>>Wii U
?
Some please correct me if my reading comprehension is made of fail, but if I understand correctly on a power-scale, Does it change the presumed levels from this:
PS4>Xbone>>>>>>>Wii U
to this:
PS4>>>Xbone>>>>>Wii U
?
That flys against the powerpoint presentation detailed and exposed by Thurrot last year though.
http://winsupersite.com/article/xbox-360/generation-xbox-preview-143462
Sorc3r3r
Member
Yup, it's the worst thing to me too, that and the tentative to spread DRM policies in my hobby.
Mikey Jr.
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Can someone explain to me why does crazy buttocks write the way he does? :lol Is it some strange attempt at being stealthy?
Apparently its so he can't be quoted?
Heard something like that.
Can someone explain to me why does crazy buttocks write the way he does? :lol Is it some strange attempt at being stealthy?
you just answered it with your own question
Barack Lesnar
Banned
That's exactly what's going to happen, unfortunately. I hope there's some big third-party exclusives on Sony's side. MS seems to be courting them vigorously. But even then the exclusives would most likely be timed so they'd still have to cater to the X1 baseline. We're fucked either way in terms of multi-plats. Luckily, Sony has incredible first party studios.
I am very curious how industry and developers will react to that. Industry want to evolve. getting 1Tf or less of that is problem for it.
The first part I can agree. Getting a favorable output from chip fabrication is difficult especially when cost is a huge concern. A large number of chips are thrown away in the manufacturing process.
The later is what I don't understand. More like OMG PROBLEMS WITH ESRAM = DOWNCLOCKING!!! which is very unwarranted.
The first part appears to be true as Microsoft hasn't said anything about a price, which makes sense as it seems like they haven't found the right chip manufacturing for a contract.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
This will only work for early adpoters. The smallest group of people overal.
What does microsoft do mid generation when PS4 multiplats are clearly and significantly superior? They have a kinect-esqe reveal of the 3d glasses but I very much doubt they will even moves success with that.
Kazuma Kiryu
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are you even reading the thread?
qa_engineer
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So this is really happening huh? I wonder if this will result in a price reduction as well.
I wonder how much money was spent on counter-corporate espionage to make them believe this.
Why?
Compare what the Genesis and SNES CPU speeds were. Compare Saturn to PS1 and N64. Compare the Wii to the 360 and PS3. System power parity among competition is a rarity and it is even more rare that the system that is significantly more powerful ends up being the most popular platform.
Nintendo could recover, theoretically.
Lol, yeah right!
these things are basically PCs now, me having an old nvidia card doesn't preclude you from getting a better looking game with a newer ATI/Nvidia card.
Its not completely different architectures anymore, developing on the One won't prevent the PS4 from running with better AA/Framerate/Resolution
PdotMichael
Banned
Well, even the first party studios didn't know about the 8GB ram. I bet only the crazy Kaz knew about the release date.
notoccupanther
Member
They got sidelined by Kinect development rather than developing basic hardware requirements like bus speeds etc maybe?
Can someone explain to me why does crazy buttocks write the way he does? :lol Is it some strange attempt at being stealthy?
If he's being stealthy he's not doing a very good job. To find him all they have to do is single out the office alcoholic.
immortal-joe
Member
Mismanagement. If you run a project poorly, you deserve to pay the price, you deserve to fail. In this case, they have taken the wrong path in a technical and design perspective.
Rather than face the consequences for these errors, they will secure the games and use them as their "get out of jail card" in a manner of speaking.
Also, gatDAMN this thread is still moving fast.
maabus1999
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Sorry. Thinking of the wrong embedded memory.
I was...got bored soon because of too many people repeating themselves over and over
Done!
Also I've asked a mod about about the TRUTHFACT title change, but it's up to them.
Man-is-Obsolete
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I think it goes beyond the yields. I think there was a feeling at Microsoft prior to the whole GDDR5 thing that they had the much superior console with further along development than Sony. Then the Playstation Meeting happened and they announced officially 8 GB of GDDR5 and then went on to show a live demo as well as other games running in real time. I think this punched Microsoft square in the nuts.
McHuj
Member
Maybe Thurrot is right on the $499 standalone and no subsidized SKU. It all could be related to the bad yields.
On one hand they would be losing a lot of money if they sell less than $499 on the stand alone.
With bad yields, there may not be enough supply demand for a subsidized SKU.
On one hand they would be losing a lot of money if they sell less than $499 on the stand alone.
With bad yields, there may not be enough supply demand for a subsidized SKU.
More like from this:
PS4>>Xbone>>>>>>Wii U
to this:
PS4>>>Xbone>>>>>Wii U
tough I don't really support the use of ">" as a metric for relative system performance
.Of course depending on the degree of downclocking. The performance impact is not that huge, but its more significant because (1) they were already quite a bit behind GPU-wise and (2) it will likely increase chip costs for MS.
you forgot based Cerny
It's a huge adjustment for me, but yes. In fact when I post I often string together flabby, overly structured run on sentences that really obscure any point I might have to really throw off the scent - I think it works pretty well. Hang on, I'm going to bust out a few compound/complex sentences and misuse a colon to join two independent clauses...
But they must´nown that they have to release a new hardware in a certain timeframe.
Its more like from
PS4: 100%
XBone: 66%
WiiU: ~20%
to
PS4: 100%
XBone: ~50%
WiiU: ~20%
Gumbie
Member
Bingo. Neogaf is having a meltdown over the news but normal dudebros who like Halo/Gears/Call of Duty/Madden and don't read gaming forums or blogs will probably never know or care about this.
Nothing. All the people that made the Xbox what it was have left. There are only charlatans left. They were too far removed from reality to even pay attention. Allard and Moore were obsessed by the competition.
People should have paid more attention to bkillan on B3D when he talked of the type of people now in charge
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