Must have been a lot. The Cell 2 and larrabee rumors were very, very strong. Along with the CTO bluffing on chip stacking and other hyperbole.
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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Must have been a lot. The Cell 2 and larrabee rumors were very, very strong. Along with the CTO bluffing on chip stacking and other hyperbole.
The Gamecube used SRAM also from Mosys. Any word on what the total eDram bandwith on Wii U is?
Barack Lesnar
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Will the masses even notice the difference? Do they put a lot of value into 60 vs 30, for example? What about better AA and "IQ"? Truth of the matter is is that maybe 20% of the user base (just an estimate out of my ass) takes significant value in having the superior console version. The masses won't care. They'll buy the machine their friends play on the most and for a ton of people that'll be the X1. There's also the continuity of your gamer profile and achievements carrying over. Will superior versions of multi-plats be worth it for them to drop their gaming 'identity'? I'd say that's unlikely. Just being a realist here.
The strength of Sony's first party is one hell of a wildcard in that deck they're trying to stack.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Nothing. Do you REALLY think casuals care about that? Do you even think most of them will notice. Hell majority of my casual friends didn't see a difference between Killzone and CoD Ghost.
No one will really care or notice a difference in Xbox One and PS4 games except the hardcore. Microsoft secures them by launching with tons of gamea. After year one or two, Microsoft just focuses on the casuals by making CoD, FIFA, TV, etc all more appealling on Xbox One with exclusive content and such.
Relaxed Muscle
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The whole Georaffe thing makes more sense now. Is CBOAT personality taking over.
Can someone explain to me why does crazy buttocks write the way he does? :lol Is it some strange attempt at being stealthy?
How would you write if you a crazy buttocks on a train?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Exactly.
There were those that were arguing in favor of the concept of diminishing returns for this upcoming gen. Sadly, other than Sony first-party exclusives, it may be more true than any of us thought.
So the R&D department of MS has wasted billions and slept for 8 years.All should be fired.
We all knew that the end of 2013 would be the year of the new gen.
clark kent?
MightyHedgehog
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Dunno 'bout that, but that first word you chose is definitely a disaster. I guess I cannot find myself pulled into the prevailing mindset of the last few months, even with insiders chiming in. The hyperbole and negativity/positivity of the forum can tremendously distort a situation and not match what ends up happening in reality. At worst, I can see MS going with limited supply (and taking a bigger hit per unit) for this year, while ramping up production over time when the issues, whatever they may be, ease up and cease to remain problems in the longer term.
YouEnjoyMySelf
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Lol @ people who don't understand CBOAT, is it that hard with all the context given?
Yes, but these are unique situations each time. Marketing, console complexity, cost of production and cost to distribute, timing, etc were all up in the air. In this instance, the PS4 seems to be in a very strong position. I can't see MS winning unless they money hat their way into being the defacto must-own console, kinect really takes off or they offer a price advantage and consumers say the weaker system is 'good enough'.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Well... maybe. But it would not take long for a simple message to proliferate: Significantly less powerful, no used games, more expensive.
You could easily fit that into a tweet with a few hashtags, or on a facebook post. I think it could have some traction.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Taking into account Keighley's softball questions to MS after the XBone unveiling, I'd say that's nigh impossible.
Green Yoshi
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Yeah, just remember the PS2. Many multiplatform games looked superior on Xbox and Gamecube but the most games were sold on PS2.
Meus Renaissance
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Was this The Agent Sony have been talking about for several years?
Man-is-Obsolete
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I said it in other threads, but I do think they will care this time around. Many people are losing their patience on being charged $60 a year to play online. If Sony comes out with a graphically superior system, at a cheaper price, that doesn't require internet or the Eye to function, play pretty much the same games, and it will still allow the play of borrowed and private sale games, THEN YES the casuals will care. They will care a lot.
Where did you get the 3MB of SRAM from?
Correction: Gameplay>graphics, except when those graphics are a skybox based on complex atmospheric equations solved in the cloud.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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So downclocking the GPU to 900gflops would put it nearly 1 tflop behind PS4, right? What does that actually mean in terms of graphics performance?
Latvian Hitman
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Considerably. But, (and this is just one jackass's opinion, obviously) there's raw power and then there's perceived power. One of the challenges for the Xbone and PS4 going into this new generation is going to be demonstrating a huge visual leap over the existing console without putting a $500 or $600 product out there at launch.
For hardcore gamers like most of us, this difference will be immediately noticeable from the get-go. But from the casual's perspective- I'm not so sure they're going to see it. To them, current-gen games already look really "sharp" on their LCD in vivid mode with the brightness and sharpness turned up to 100 and edge enhancement on high. I'm not sure they're going to be counting particles or noticing tessellation or ray tracing, etc.
This was already an uphill fight for MS given what we know about the PS4. I'm not sure how much more ground they really have to give here.
RurouniZel
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More like from this:
PS4>>Xbone>>>>>>Wii U
to this:
PS4>>>Xbone>>>>>Wii U
tough I don't really support the use of ">" as a metric for relative system performance
Of course depending on the degree of downclocking. The performance impact is not that huge, but its more significant because (1) they were already quite a bit behind GPU-wise and (2) it will likely increase chip costs for MS.
Ah, that makes sense. It really is crazy how this is happening the way it is. Combined with the DRM rumors and likely higher price point MS would have to blow me completely out of the water with an insanely powerful lineup.
StevePharma
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It should be required that people look at his post history. There are only about 100 posts so it's not hard.
Still love that Dead Space 3 shootbang callout.
Can someone explain to me why does crazy buttocks write the way he does? :lol Is it some strange attempt at being stealthy?
Probably to not being easily quoted on various sites.
MirageDwarf
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Easy way to read CBoT's post is to treat it like SMS and ignore punctuation marks, incorrect spacing.
Syphon Filter
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where did Thurrot say $500 standalone? i know he said no sub but where did you hear the former?
May be a stupid question, but if a constrained launch supply is the biggest problem that these poor yields will lead to, assuming that they don't downclock, is this really that terrible a thing for them? Couldn't they just as quickly spin a thin supply as artificially high demand as they sort it out, it's not exactly a new practice.
Was this The Agent Sony have been talking about for several years?
The clue is in those clouds the giant PS3 controller is floating in!
Kazuma Kiryu
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thuway, i believe.
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SMH Microsoft. lol
Speedy Blue Dude
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These are completely different factors were discussing then.
Worse multiplatform games then the PS4 won't matter in itself, but combined to all those other negatives, it might.
Whether or not "NO private selling" and "always online" matter to casuals is also something we have't seen yet.
Crazy has spoken. Really disappointed that Microsoft has continued down the path they started on with Kinect. Seems these issues stem from leadership. The decisions being made now are difficult to undo. Xbox is going to be stuck with hardware that will be lagging behind within the next 3 years.
Meus Renaissance
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Valkyr Junkie
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Guys, this is irrelevant when you have The Unlimited Power of the Cloud
The generation before the last was unilaterally dominated by Sony and was one of the best generations in gaming history.
Sony didn't give a shit about 3rd party content filtering, just don't forget the royalty checks.
Sony didn't give a shit about what you have the balls to bring over from Japan or vice versa, just don't forget the royalty checks.
Sony didn't care about any crazy accessories or 3rd party hardware someone wanted to make, just don't forget the royalty checks.
It was the most egalitarian period in this industry's history and a single 120M plus user console to focus on led to some big software risks (which I think paid off handsomely). An HD version of that with x86 hardware and small studio self publishing sounds like my kind of games industry.
Green Yoshi
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Now I understand the rumours that claim that MS is convincing the publishers (with money) to show only the Xbox One and not PS4 versions of their games at E3. ;-)
Man-is-Obsolete
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I know, but I think it is myopic to only look at one issue in a vacuum. It is better to look at this as a whole because these things are launching side by side and all of it factors into the consumer's decision making. With some or all or none of the issues being important to different people.
notoccupanther
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But they did .. and that 57 page leaked document showed their roadmap with the kinect and an all-in-one entertainment system was the core of their vision even back in 2010 or whenever that doc was created ...
The popularity of NetFlix on the xBox put Microsoft waaay too far down the wrong track methinks for them to pull it back now. Not unless they decide to fess up and delay a release into 2014 - which ain't gonna happen
Shame really, The xBox 360 is the only console I have and it's great & was really looking forward to this new system.
There is also the chance that MS will release a half-assed system and release a "XBox One MKII" in a couple of years time once they conquer the R&D proper.. slimmer, quieter, more productive, (still DRM tho
)Yeah, but that was largely because the PS2 had basically already won the generation by the time the other two came out. PS4 and XboxOne will be releasing around the same time.
Cheers as I was really racking my brain trying to remember
In terms of the mass market MS could still be in a better position then sony
they have kinect built in, the X1 could be the wii of this gen but it would be like if the wii had 512mb of slower then 360 ram, a GPU with half the flops but the same architecture.
and a 800-900flop DX11 GPU with 5GB+32mb esram is not going to produce games that makes gamers rip out there eyes and smash the screen in disgust
that hardware will still be able to produce games that look a lot better then we have now.
Actually, I might be fine with this.
If developers take XBone as baseline for third party games, PS4 versions might get optimized towards higher framerates and higher resolutions. This would be the easy road compared to improved visuals and effects. And I'd favor the former over the latter. I don't like the feeling of games that are run on the borderline of framerate and resolution.
what i understand and i believe almost all us do too, is that MS trying to ride the same boat as ninty in 2006. civilians like to flail their limbs in front of the tv more than we can think of.
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