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[hydrophilic attack]

I don't see it as an either/or situation.

They should support the Rift ASAP, and if their internal RD comes up with some nice innovations to take the concept further they should release that down the road, as well.

Same for MS.

 

[Brofist]

So you wouldn't trust Sony to make a better HMD just because of a product which serves a completely different purpose? I guess a startup out-engineered Sony then?

This happens all the time. Why do you think large companies like Sony buy those startup companies? Usually for their tech.

 

[BigDaddyFatSack]

Racing wheels says hi.

Not many people will buy it at that price ($300-400) when they can just save up for an Xbox One or another PS4 with that kind of money. It's not a smart move if they want to push the VR aspect of gaming to the consumers.

Wait it out until it gets cheaper then Sony can think about it.

 

[Atomski]

Hmmm, chances of Sony just buying Oculus?

Thats a horrible idea..

 

[mrklaw]

I think they should. As amazing as the rift is, there are definitely areas for improvement, eg around the quality of the optics keeping things in focus with a larger sweet spot etc. I'd rather not announce a 'standard' just yet.

I would hope there is a standard around inputs though - so whatever head tracker you are using you get the results in a format that the game can understand.

And if it is accepted that a 'prewarp' model is the most efficient in terms of keeping headset weight down and optics cost down, then each headset could have different tweaks but pass their warp requirements to the host computer via USB.

Something that provides stability but with wiggle room for further innovation

 

[Zaptruder]

VR standards needs to be established, independent of company - similar to other display technologies.

It's bigger and more important than a single company... but I'm quite happy with the enthusiasm within Oculus for doing the right thing - putting the VR experience ahead of anything else at this point in time.

 

[beast786]

I don't get.

People complain 3d will never work because you need glasses. yet here we have a full head mounted device.

Not gonna happened.

Mainstream will never pick up an expensive add on for single player experience without local multiplayer .

 

[DBT85]

I don't get.

People complain 3d will never work because you need glasses. yet here we have a full head mounted device.

Not gonna happened.

Mainstream will never pick up an expensive add on for single player experience without local multiplayer .

This is in part my thinking. I can see why it is cool, and why certain enthusiasts would buy it. But I can't see the usual CODFIFABROS wearing something like this. Even I don't want to wear it.

In an arcade? Massive hit.

 

[beast786]

This happens all the time. Why do you think large companies like Sony buy those startup companies? Usually for their tech.

What tech?

nothing in rift has a patent to buy, it's an open technology. you can make one right now.

http://www.durovis.com/index.html

 

[Oppo]

I don't get.

People complain 3d will never work because you need glasses. yet here we have a full head mounted device.

Not gonna happened.

Mainstream will never pick up an expensive add on for single player experience without local multiplayer .

Sure it will. It might not take over the world but think of things like racing wheels or fight sticks.

(also why do I get the impression that you added the local multi caveat when you remembered Kinect halfway through that sentence?

Can someone tell me, does the Rift have an HDMI passthrough? Like can you plug it in and leave it plugged in, passing video to the TV when it's off?

 

[giapel]

Everybody should support the Rift

First post nails it as always

 

[DieH@rd]

I don't get.

People complain 3d will never work because you need glasses. yet here we have a full head mounted device.

Not gonna happened.

Mainstream will never pick up an expensive add on for single player experience without local multiplayer .

Millions of Gran Turismo players will buy it. And there will always be other games that will showcase VR, other simulations, horror games, adventure games, RPGs, etc...

 

[YuShtink]

What tech?

nothing in rift has a patent to buy, it's an open technology. you can make one right now.

http://www.durovis.com/index.html

lol that thing is pretty cool but it's definitely not the Rift.

 

[LordCanti]

Sure it will. It might not take over the world but think of things like racing wheels or fight sticks.

(also why do I get the impression that you added the local multi caveat when you remembered Kinect halfway through that sentence?

Can someone tell me, does the Rift have an HDMI passthrough? Like can you plug it in and leave it plugged in, passing video to the TV when it's off?

The dev kit doesn't. Most graphics cards have two display ports, so there was no need to include one. I'd imagine that it would have one for the consumer version if console support was expected.

What tech?

nothing in rift has a patent to buy, it's an open technology. you can make one right now.

http://www.durovis.com/index.html

Their tracker isn't off the shelf. Everything else can be done right now, though getting games to support a DIY'd Rift would be a pain in the ass.

This is in part my thinking. I can see why it is cool, and why certain enthusiasts would buy it. But I can't see the usual CODFIFABROS wearing something like this. Even I don't want to wear it.

In an arcade? Massive hit.

The consoles being X86 means that you don't need multiple SKU's. One VR headset can work for both a PC and for a console, if the console maker allows it. Basically being on a console wouldn't (shouldn't) add to the cost, so they can make it for PC enthusiasts, get some console players, and be better off for it. Being on the consoles would be win/win as long as the consoles didn't water down the tech (forcing a lower res screen, for instance).

 

[beast786]

Sure it will. It might not take over the world but think of things like racing wheels or fight sticks.

Millions of Gran Turismo players will buy it. And there will always be other games that will showcase VR, other simulations, horror games, adventure games, RPGs, etc...

Add on like wheels , wii mote, kinect and fighting sticks all relate with gameplay and none where you have to wear it. The only one 3d and it shows time after time that it does not. Unless its special events like theater movie.

Wearing a head mounted device is not same as using a wheel or fighting sticks.

 

[dookeh]

How much does Sony even need to do to support it? Allow the drivers to be installed? If the games support it, I don't see why they wouldn't allow it.

 

[Black-Box]

Sony is doing their own thing.

I think they showed it off at CES or E3 last year.

Microsoft will probably do their own at some point. Then LG and Samsung.


The company that first started making these must be so pissed off they didn't go after the consumer. Rift isn't the first of its kind. There is really nothing special about it other then selling it for the living room.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

I don't get.

People complain 3d will never work because you need glasses. yet here we have a full head mounted device.

Not gonna happened.

Mainstream will never pick up an expensive add on for single player experience without local multiplayer .

It depends on the experience offered from the software available. If there were a 'Killer App' for it that appealed to the casuals, there is little reason for it not to catch fire. I feel dealing in absolutes and saying 'Not gonna happened' or 'never pick up', would be something I'd avoid doing. One only needs to look at the wii to see what happens when a new and interactive experience is presented with the right kind of software.

 

[BigDug13]

Well considering what normally happens to an independent start up with a good idea, a corporation will design their own and get one of their Chinese partners to crank them out at super low cost to put the independent start up out of business. It's the corporate way.

 

[LordCanti]

How much does Sony even need to do to support it? Allow the drivers to be installed? If the games support it, I don't see why they wouldn't allow it.

They'd want to create a GUI that could be seen on the Rift as well (system level GUI; the overlay when you hit the home button, in other words). Other than that, yeah, pretty much just drivers and supporting the Oculus SDK/the output resolution/etc.

 

[bj00rn_]

Can someone tell me, does the Rift have an HDMI passthrough? Like can you plug it in and leave it plugged in, passing video to the TV when it's off?

No it doesn't have a pass-through. Most people, myself included, with the developer kit just duplicate the image to the second display output on the videocard. A simple splitter is also fine, maybe even better for latency, always running vsync off. I see no reason for why the retail version won't have a better solution for it though.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Sony should support but somehow make it exclusive on their system. While leaving the PC alone obviously. Because I don't see how it could be used on 3 different systems as a third party peripheral.

 

[Atomski]

Add on like wheels , wii mote, kinect and fighting sticks all relate with gameplay and none where you have to wear it. The only one 3d and it shows time after time that it does not. Unless its special events like theater movie.

Wearing a head mounted device is not same as using a wheel or fighting sticks.

You do realize that it is another control method right?

 

[Canis lupus]

Yes. Sony released two heavy, uncomfortable HMD's without even realizing that overhead straps exist and that they can help the weight distribution. The method by which the display activates (a pad your head pushes on, if memory serves) is also counterproductive when you're trying to alleviate pressure points. The HMZ-T1/2 produces a nice image, but what's the point if the thing is horribly uncomfortable?

If that's their $800 HMD, I don't want to see their $300 (or less) HMD. No thank you. I realize that the Rift is less technically advanced (excluding the tracking) than an HMZ-T1/2, but not even adding in head straps despite all the complaints? Come on.

Well, a possible VR Sony device dedicated to gaming would have a different design and specs than the HMZ, no doubt they could come up with a more comfortable solution. I also think they can build a better HMD for 300usd, or undercut the Rift simply because they have more resources.

I really hope VR becomes the next hype lol.

 

[Mindlog]

Mainstream will never pick up an expensive add on for single player experience without local multiplayer .

The mainstream doesn't want a monstrous controller, but people bought the Steel Battalion controller. The mainstream wanted a bunch of dumb high-margin plastic instruments, but the console makers didn't enter that game. The mainstream doesn't want an HMD, but Sony produced the HMZ.

Wearing a head mounted device is not same as using a wheel or fighting sticks.

Head mounted devices have been incredibly popular this gen. Most people complained that Microsoft is eliminating their standard device in favor of Kinect.

 

[famousmortimer]

Gamescom is going to be interesting.

 

[Piggus]

What requirement? They can just drop the resolution to run it in 3D just like they did this gen.

Have you used the 720p Rift dev kit? 1080p is the absolute MINIMUM.

Also it's not the same 3D as you get on a TV. It's only rendering one 1080p image, not too. It's entirely possible on PS4.

 

[Darklor01]

If they were to consider it as an either or thing, I'd say support the rift. I personally feel I've seen enough gimmicky peripherals be less than successful for/from Sony.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Gamescom is going to be interesting.

Woah, do you know something?

 

[qa_engineer]

Sony is already looking at dev units. I can almost guarantee you there will be support for Rift.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/12/playstation-4-oculus-rift/

 

[DESTROYA]

It would be awesome if they do support it...exclusively.

 

[Slime]

I hope they support it and let it thrive on its own terms. It would be heartbreaking to see some big corporation step on their feet or steal their thunder, given everything they've accomplished so far. The Rift is something special. Let it be.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

I think it would be best for everyone involved if they all support Occulus Rift.

Good for developers: Having a standard to develop to and a larger potential base of users.

Good for Consumers: Only needing one device across all platforms. Having more games that utilise it.

Good for Sony/Microsoft: Not have to R&D and take the cost risk for proprietary hardware.

Sony/MS definitely get the least benefit of this though since they don't make any money from this course of action. It WOULD give them a cool new marketing point though and gives them more WOW factor. Imagine if you brought your X1/PS4 to the family's house during the holiday and all you had to do was plug in your system and the OR to show it off to family.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Sony is already looking at dev units. I can almost guarantee you there will be support for Rift.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/12/playstation-4-oculus-rift/

famousmortimer mentioned in another thread that he'd heard that they plan on supporting it. I guess it's just a matter of when they plan to actually announce that support.

 

[PG2G]

I think we are a bit premature in handing Oculus Rift the crown when we're still a year away from the retail versions release.

I would like to see a standard API that games/apps use that would work with any headset though. It is too expensive of a peripheral to expect people to buy one from each OEM.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Gamescom is going to be interesting.

This thread is going to get interesting too!

 

[LordCanti]

Have you used the 720p Rift dev kit? 1080p is the absolute MINIMUM.

Also it's not the same 3D as you get on a TV. It's only rendering one 1080p image, not too. It's entirely possible on PS4.

It's rendering two images at 960x1080. I'd imagine that this is more taxing than a single 1080p scene being rendered, but I can't say that I've ever seen any data to support that.

 

[RedSwirl]

VR headset support will be a big issue for consoles due to the hude demands for resolution, FoV, framerate and response time. all things that console games traditionally smudge over in order to meet the requirement eye-candy.

even on PC with the low resolution oculus rift dev kits, we're seeing the need for beefy rigs just to power old engines and rudimentary tech demos at full clip.

for this reason, i suspect the rift will remain at best a sideshow on consoles; if it is supported, i imagine it will be a similarly compromised experience to 3D on PS3.

So basically we're like two console generations away from this actually being viable.

 

[Bradach]

rift with ps move could be very special indeed

 

[kuroshiki]

So basically we're like two console generations away from this actually being viable.

This gen if anything will be longer than previous gen, so make that one.

 

[Atomski]

Sony is already looking at dev units. I can almost guarantee you there will be support for Rift.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/12/playstation-4-oculus-rift/

Almost everyone is looking at dev kits even people who work at MS...

 

[phosphor112]

Support it, and even use their OLEDs for the screens. No need to spend money on super niche products like the HMZ when the Rift will be even more widely used.

 

[RedSwirl]

This gen if anything will be longer than previous gen, so make that one.

Or if they have to scale the graphics back to PS2/GC/XBox levels then I still wouldn't mind Metroid Prime or Echo Night Beyond with the Oculus Rift.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

Is Microsoft already supporting it? Why only mention Sony?

 

[/XX/]

I personally don't mind which they do, so long as I get a quality virtual headset to use with my PS4. From a business standpoint and for us as gamers, does it make sense for them to develop a Rift competitor? Do you trust Sony to build something better than the Rift?

Also, even if Sony are working on a new HMD what are the chances it will be more like the Rift rather than like their current HMDs?

Pretty big, because it is a way they are already exploring... see the PROTOTYPE-SR that was demoed (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46471572&postcount=127).

 

[Courage]

Is Microsoft already supporting it? Why only mention Sony?

Microsoft seem to be going towards a different direction with Illumiroom and Kinect (bringing the game into our reality.)

Also Yoshida kind of hinted support when he was asked about it.

 

[gofreak]

I hope they support it and let it thrive on its own terms. It would be heartbreaking to see some big corporation step on their feet or steal their thunder, given everything they've accomplished so far. The Rift is something special. Let it be.

I love what Oculus is doing, but a monopoly is not what VR and HMDs need.

I am all for software standardisation for devs, but let different hardware vendors push each other on better screens, better response times, better sensors etc.

 

[Lasdrub]

This is from a while ago, but

Shuhei Yoshida: "I say Oculus, you say _ _ _ _?"

https://twitter.com/yosp/status/294530025380802560

It turned out to be nothing, but I got excited when I saw it at the time.

 

[Atomski]

Is Microsoft already supporting it? Why only mention Sony?

No one currently is supporting it for consoles. Its PC exclusive..

If it end up on any console.. it will probably be Steambox as they already support it in a lot of their games .

 

[aceldama]

Nobody should support the Rift. It's a joke and an embarrassment to the industry. This garbage never works off and is a flash in the pan.

In a related way, Sony needs to avoid the same bullshit like the plague.