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Guerilla: Killzone: Shadow Fall's multiplayer is 60 FPS, singleplayer is 30 FPS
- Thread starter ElTorro
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Oh wow! Really? I had no idea. That's certainly a huge + in my book.
Ever since that Mercenaries 2 guy took over the MP design it's been completely ruined.
Really hope that they let Eric work his magic again.
Tempy used to work there. I don't know of any present members. I'm sure they're lurking, though.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Gaffers at Gamescom need to step up their game and record that shit
Faces will melt. The model renderings we've seen are maybe the best I've seen in a game. I'm dying to see footage from the updated single player campaign.
I would argue responsive controls makes a huge part in immersion. How can you be truly immersed when you can feel the delay in the controls? It never feels like you have full and direct control of your character. To each his own though.
Lordwindowlicker
Member
Well, that blows.
I'm only really interested in the singleplayer.
I'm only really interested in the singleplayer.
CyclopsRock
Member
It did, it had an absolute ton of unlockables! DK Mode being the most crucial to get, of course.
Boss Man
Member
This is the best...
I love having fps I can't even stand 60fps for certain genres now. Yet on a console too many compromises have to be made to get 60fps locked which is the way you should do it.
If developers won't let me tinker this the next best thing. Hopefully certain racing devs take this hint. For SP I don't give a fuck, but anything mp based low fps kills the response one can really have.
I'm just not very sensitive to input lag. 30fps is fine to me as long as it's smooth. Obviously I can tell a difference between 30 and 60, just not as much as most gaffers, and there are some genres that benefit immensely from 60fps but some games benefit more from having worlds that look more realistic and feel more alive.
Nothing could possibly be as jarring as MoH 2010's MP being on an entirely different engine from the SP. SP was UE3 and MP was Frostbite. The gun models, HUD, and lighting were entirely different.
shinobi602
Member
Why haven't we seen any Gamescom footage? Dafuq people
LukasTaves
Member
In fact I like it a lot.
ThisWreckage
Banned
SilverBullet
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ_3PgzaaBo
As much as this looks awesome I can't stop worry about the controls.
This seems to have the same camera acceleration present in the other Killzones.
The way the player shoot off to the side when trying to correct his aiming (right at the start) then the drunken CQC part. The camera picking up speed over time as it turns. All the same problems as before.
This isn't imput lag it's just acceleration on the imput.
GG keeps doing this shit saying it's their trade mark weighty feel. They will never learn it seems...
As much as this looks awesome I can't stop worry about the controls.
This seems to have the same camera acceleration present in the other Killzones.
The way the player shoot off to the side when trying to correct his aiming (right at the start) then the drunken CQC part. The camera picking up speed over time as it turns. All the same problems as before.
This isn't imput lag it's just acceleration on the imput.
GG keeps doing this shit saying it's their trade mark weighty feel. They will never learn it seems...
OldAsUrSock
Banned
I wish Killzone: Shadow Fall had splitscreen. I wan't split-screen FPS other than Call of Duty. I hope Star Wars Battlefront will provide this.
It is never smooth.
It is never smooth.
Shu's not the best player and GG said you can tweak the acceleration.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
So I guess we're not getting any new footage.
What bullshit.
What bullshit.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
False.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
No they have learned their lesson. They've stopped listening to the people who don't like their game for what is.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Christ, I would even take Iphone footage at this point.
This is actually the approach all AAA-games should take next-gen if you ask me. Hit 30FPS to up the cinematic goodness in single-player (if the compromise is worth it ofc), but make sure everything is smooth as butter when it comes to competitive modes (where Uncharted-like events won't happen anyway). That should keep everybody happy.
SolidSnakex
Member
Because the multiplayer is only being demoed behind closed doors by Guerrilla.
SilverBullet
Member
Well if they let us tweak/remove the acceleration and not just change the turning speed then it's day one for me.
Not in doubt but do you have the source? I must have missed it...
Thanks
Sato Koiji
Member
Ohhh baby boy...you know where you at dont'cha? Come on babe!
lol
More developers should put this into practice since it's such a big deal to a lot of people.
The vocal minority on gaming forums.
They don't have community managers?
mickcenary
Member
So help me God, this shit needs to stop. You guys need to understand and accept that there are a lot of people who enjoy the way KZ feels/controls; whether the lag is intentional, or a by-product or separate from the weight or the direct result of incompetent development... It doesn't matter. People like it. I don't care how it's there, I just care that GG had a vision that I love and they implemented into the brilliant shooter that was KZ2.
It's seriously getting to the point where the most believable scenario is a bunch of butt-hurt FPS veterans sucking at Killzone. I and many other GAFers dominated at this game with the default controls, so it's anything but broken. It's just different.
EDIT: Agreed on the CQC part, though
3rdamention
Member
It looks SOOO much better, what are you looking at? Lol.
Companies should not be in the business of discouraging customers cause the game has an fps which is too low for even most people basic reflexes. This was acceptable in the 90's. Now that most gamers who care have to be on console for lot of the bigger titles especially from certain devs they need to be more aware this drives people away. Being singled minded is never good especially in industry that is basically driven by the consumers and their preferences.
So help me God, this shit needs to stop. You guys need to understand and accept that there are a lot of people who enjoy the way KZ feels/controls; whether the lag is intentional, or a by-product or separate from the weight or the direct result of incompetent development... It doesn't matter. People like it. I don't care how it's there, I just care that GG had a vision that I love and they implemented into the brilliant shooter that was KZ2.
It's seriously getting to the point where the most believable scenario is a bunch of butt-hurt FPS veterans sucking at Killzone. I and many other GAFers dominated at this game with the default controls, so it's anything but broken. It's just different.
EDIT: Agreed on the CQC part, though
That difference is due to gimping people speed. The developer has changed their stance so I find it funny you're talking about butthurt and what not while they change mechanics to be more aware of what some might want. At the very least they care enough about those complaints to think the status quo needs to go. Some people in life do not feel lag or latency issueslike others do, be it slow or fast deal with it.
Having trouble copying the tweet but this is from Steven Ter Heide on Twitter
https://twitter.com/StevenTerHeide1
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
OH yeah and when the hell are we going to see more of the single player?
They've only shown one real level so far, besides that brief prologue level.
The game isn't far out now. We should've, at least, seen a new level at E3.
They've only shown one real level so far, besides that brief prologue level.
The game isn't far out now. We should've, at least, seen a new level at E3.
We did see a new level at E3. We've seen the terrorist attack and the forest. I'm actually glad that they're keeping a lot of the campaign under wraps. They showed way too much of KZ2 and 3 before launch and I can't keep myself away from Killzone media.
mickcenary
Member
I get what you're saying; if GG have changed their tune, then it obviously matters to them, but so much of the criticism seems to be levelled at measured benchmarks and tests indicating lag, etc, as if to justify their assessment that the controls are broken.
So what if lag is technically there? If this dreaded lag is what made KZ2 feel like KZ2, then I'm sure a lot of people would be loath to see it "fixed".
This line of thinking rears its ugly head in every KZ thread; I'm just a bit tired of hearing it, I guess.
TrojanBlade
Member
I really hope there is some kind of co-op mode
SilverBullet
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makingmusic476
Member
Given Guerrilla seems to be moving back towards the ideas that made Killzone 2's multiplayer so compelling, it's odd that only Killzone 3's multiplayer is available standalone and free-to-play.
Also, Eric Bjoltes is the man.
Also, Eric Bjoltes is the man.
Assuming Shadow Fall's multiplayer ends up being as awesome as it's sounding.
If one can objectively cite a reason for their problems and input lag is as well display I don't really make a contention with that. My main contention which is interesting point you brung up. Did Guerilla want that effect of having to accelerate and aim more naturally vs twitch response. If they did they should make it a mechanic vs having it being well a glitch or input lag they never fixed.
I'm with you I'm tired of hearing it. When it comes to fps games the nuances matter and if you don't like it you should leave if it means that much. I'm gonna miss the mechanic especially in light of hearing how it came about and why it's a problem for some. Not many fps games really force user in to good gun mechanics, this move is only taking the edge off a great game.
Great news. I'm very glad that they decided on this. Best of all is that it still looks great and better than initially revealed.
Gamersyde was having good impressions about it never dipping under 30FPS, so it may actually happen and not just being 'targeted'.
I feel the same way. I said similar things to what you said, but in a different KZ thread. Then, some people just attacked me for it and called me a KZ fanboy. Not even reading what I said.
Some people want every game to feel the same...which I don't agree with. If the game doesn't appeal to you, don't bring it down with you. I especially liked the fact that KZ2 felt very different from playing other shooters and it was doing its own thing. I had no issues adapting to how the game played as it was pretty damn enjoyable and I am someone who can sense the difference between 30FPS/60FPS and pretty senstive to input lag.
Gamersyde was having good impressions about it never dipping under 30FPS, so it may actually happen and not just being 'targeted'.
I feel the same way. I said similar things to what you said, but in a different KZ thread. Then, some people just attacked me for it and called me a KZ fanboy. Not even reading what I said.
Some people want every game to feel the same...which I don't agree with. If the game doesn't appeal to you, don't bring it down with you. I especially liked the fact that KZ2 felt very different from playing other shooters and it was doing its own thing. I had no issues adapting to how the game played as it was pretty damn enjoyable and I am someone who can sense the difference between 30FPS/60FPS and pretty senstive to input lag.
Whipped Spartan
Member
Do you truly not play games when they are 30fps or not a consistent frame rate?
I really hope Sony aren't dumb enough to gauge 3D interest off last-gen's sub-HD efforts. With 1080p becoming the norm this gen, there's plenty of reserve power to render 3D in 720p or higher.
3D movies are scheduled well into the next 3-4 years, so I would assume that console games (which most would agree are more suited than movies for stereo) will be around in 3D for even longer.
Yes and plenty of gaffers be it console or pc will tell you that.
FPS = Response. The lower it is the less you can actually respond to what is on the screen.
TimeEffect
Member
Seems the MP is behind closed doors for the press.
Reading IGN's preview, judging by the scope of the maps from what is shown so far, and looking at the radar, it seems SUPPORT class is only to heal?
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of the Engineer role, meaning no ammo boxes, or turrets to repair
Reading IGN's preview, judging by the scope of the maps from what is shown so far, and looking at the radar, it seems SUPPORT class is only to heal?
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of the Engineer role, meaning no ammo boxes, or turrets to repair
Portugeezer
Member
Can we get some proper footage now, GG?
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
Doubling the frames means that they optimized the hardware 200% of the original which is highly unlikely. Any extra power they have the would fill up with more graphical effects. Plus I remember from some mortal kombat article that doubling the frames is much harder than halving the graphical effects as some post render effects such as anti-aliasing and DoF usually take up the same amount of time.I hope the sp is 60fps too, IF they managed to double the framerate in 9 months since the original reveal it bodes well for the next batch of games coming in 2-3 years
velociraptor
Junior Member
Seems the MP is behind closed doors for the press.
Reading IGN's preview, judging by the scope of the maps from what is shown so far, and looking at the radar, it seems SUPPORT class is only to heal?
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of the Engineer role, meaning no ammo boxes, or turrets to repair
Now that's a trailer.
Don't know who made the garbage revealed at GC, which showed absolutely nothing. Also, 5 years later, and KZ2 still looks like a masterpiece. Damn.
edit: Fuuu- stealth edit!
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