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[DoomGyver]

No word if they're going to allow people to do an USB update? Perhaps releasing it on advance or something, but I find it unlikely or people will rage about having to buy a USB stick.

This would be nice, especially if there are network problems on the 15th.

 

[pharmboy044]

Vita related question. Don't know if this has been answered yet.

Since the Vita can play most PS4 titles over Remote Play, shouldn't it be possible to use the Vita as a controller on the PS4?

Yes you can. It actually was demonstrated with Knack which has local coop. One user was using the PS4 and another was using the Vita in remote play mode.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Strange that party chat is not in without an update.

 

[Whipped Spartan]

Am I the only one that's completely fine with and even expected this? We're in the future. This is how it is now.

I think most people are. The comments are just people trying to make the point that this seems ok for sony but not ms or Nintendo. Key features being unlocked in patches always sound bad I guess. Blu Ray and online access for instance.

I am buying both just excited to game some next gen games

 

[doemaaan]

They can connect to the local PS4 and play together

Yes you can. It actually was demonstrated with Knack which has local coop. One user was using the PS4 and another was using the Vita in remote play mode.

Oh, ok.

 

[i-Lo]

LTTP: Can we listen to our private .mp3 soundtracks stored on the PS4 HDD?

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

@yosp mentioned that it could if it was developed to do so in the game but generally no.

https://twitter.com/yosp/statuses/360697772229406721

yep, and this is the same case with the "play as you download" feature.

games have to be specifically coded and packaged in such a way that the feature can work. think about it like this:

if level 1 uses forest level models/textures/sounds/etc. and level 2 uses downtown city game data, then it would make sense to package the game so that all of the game data that level 1 uses will be at "the beginning" of the packaged file. unfortunately it's not as easy as it sounds, and requires a lot of organization and flow charts etc. to make sure that the package can be arranged that way, and not only that but if the game itself is designed in such a way that each level uses a bit of everything, then you'd need to download almost all of the game data before you can play the first level.

so "play as you download" isn't always a perfect fit for all game types or all developers. as said by someone earlier, you likely won't be seeing too many indie games and small downloadable games do this unless they are smart about it and keep it in mind when initially starting the project.

 

[psrock]

God, I can't wait for November 15th. So many features on day one.

 

[Amir0x]

https://twitter.com/yosp/status/393890471623139328

i love how they just nonchalantly confirm they can do much of the voice shit the competition does, but just as an 'aside.'

"oh yeah we can do that too. if they want too. *shrug*. Up to you dudes, it's there."

 

[Cartman86]

I think most people are. The comments are just people trying to make the point that this seems ok for sony but not ms or Nintendo. Key features being unlocked in patches always sound bad I guess. Blu Ray and online access for instance.

I am buying both just excited to game some next gen games

Well online access has been hidden behind online updates for pretty much every console since 05. On 360 at least once a year and PS3 even more often.

 

[RadarScope1]

This is just the way it is now, folks. Manufacturing lead time and the constant tweaking of software features until the last minute leave us with day one updates like this. Not a big deal, unless the severs are too busy to dish out updates. That will suck.

So two things jumped out at me:

Streaming voice and self image with the camera when streaming games. Pretty nice for a console to be able to do this out of the box (or boxes since the cam is sold separately). Plus the voice and facial recognition. Sony hasn't touted this at all. We all know it won't be as robust as the Kinect but if it works for some basic features, then Sony can claim at least a little parity there, all while the camera is optional, relatively cheap and has a game loaded on every system. Camera is looking more and more attractive to me.

Secondly, major bummer that the suspend/sleep feature isn't there at launch. I really want that.

All in all - can't wait! Less than 3 weeks!

 

[chubigans]

Do yall think the lack of any broadcasting features on XB1 at launch will hurt the system? PS4 gets Facebook video sharing, Twitter photo sharing, and Twitch/UStream live broadcasts on day one...and XB1 will only have video sharing viewable only on the console itself between XBL Gold members.

I feel like this holiday there's going to be a flood of videos and screenshots all over social networks, with lots of people getting exposed to PS4 games and exclusives, and nearly zero for XB1 since you'll need a capture kit to do so.

 

[kevlar35]

i love how they just nonchalantly confirm they can do much of the voice shit the competition does, but just as an 'aside.'

"oh yeah we can do that too. if they want too. *shrug*. Up to you dudes, it's there."

Or perhaps they're not promoting it heavily because it's not as feature rich. At the start of last gen both could boast online play, but the depth or that experience was much better on one than the other.

The devil is in the detail.

 

[Cartman86]

Do yall think the lack of any broadcasting features on XB1 at launch will hurt the system? PS4 gets Facebook video sharing, Twitter photo sharing, and Twitch/UStream live broadcasts on day one...and XB1 will only have video sharing viewable only on the console itself between XBL Gold members.

I feel like this holiday there's going to be a flood of videos and screenshots all over social networks, with lots of people getting exposed to PS4 games and exclusives, and nearly zero for XB1 since you'll need a capture kit to do so.

Is this true? I could have sworn the streaming was in at launch. It was the capturing video that is not exportable at launch.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Strange that party chat is not in without an update.

When it's in it will be amazing. It's already very good on Vita.

Can't wait for this update.

 

[Amir0x]

Or perhaps they're not promoting it heavily because it's not as feature rich. At the start of last gen both could boast online play, but the depth or that experience was much better on one than the other.

The devil is in the detail.

Of course it's not as feature rich. The tech as far as I am aware is not as advanced as Kinect, and it quite obviously is not a design focus.

But if you can use it to basically do what Kinect is mostly doing so far (shallow games and cheap conveniences), then you can get a Eye AND PS4 and play free games all for under the price of the XBO. For a casual observer, it does make an interesting prospect I'd imagine.

I don't care about it at all (I won't use either), but I do think it's kind of funny how they keep just randomly and like completely dispassionately dropping little news about the Eye doing things people keep using as examples the XBO is different and worth the extra money.

 

[kurbaan]

Of course it's not as feature rich. The tech as far as I am aware is not as advanced as Kinect, and it quite obviously is not a design focus.

But if you can use it to basically do what Kinect is mostly doing so far (shallow games and cheap conveniences), then you can get a Eye AND PS4 and play free games all for under the price of the XBO. For a casual observer, it does make an interesting prospect I'd imagine.

I don't care about it at all (I won't use either), but I do think it's kind of funny how they keep just randomly and like completely dispassionately dropping little news about the Eye doing things people keep using as examples the XBO is different and worth the extra money.

But I doubt it will be even as good as that. If it was that good they would be shouting from the roof tops. I dont really care about it but there should be no doubt it wont be anything close to kinect.

 

[chubigans]

Is this true? I could have sworn the streaming was in at launch. It was the capturing video that is not exportable at launch.

Twitch livestreaming was pushed back to "early 2014" for XB1. You can't export video either, you have to view it in the XB1 video player, which kind of defeats the purpose of social video sharing.

 

[Guymelef]

Aside the upload function i want to know if you can store and export the screens you take.

 

[Amir0x]

But I doubt it will be even as good as that. If it was that good they would be shouting from the roof tops. I dont really care about it but there should be no doubt it wont be anything close to kinect.

They're not shouting it from the rooftops because it's no longer packed in, not because it's commentary on its quality (and also because unlike Microsoft, they understand the audience they're trying to sell these systems to for launch window are actually usually turned off by Kinect). It MAY be poorly implemented or it may be really tight... but this is not at all the first time Sony has dealt with voice commands, and they're actually usually quite good at its implementation.

 

[chubigans]

Aside the upload function i want to know if you can store and export the screens you take.

We've seen that on a few PS4 UI demos (storing to HDD results in a higher quality photo than posting to Twitter).

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

No suspend/resume at launch? Bummer.

Yep. That sucks.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

has anyone tweeted @yosp about mp3/video playback?

It seems odd demonnite came here say there were other features of the OS but hasnt confirmed mp3 playback, even standalone, is in.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

I think most people are. The comments are just people trying to make the point that this seems ok for sony but not ms or Nintendo. Key features being unlocked in patches always sound bad I guess. Blu Ray and online access for instance.

I am buying both just excited to game some next gen games

Well Sony didn't have DRM and always online fiasco so it's understandable if MS day one patch is more controversial

 

[Dr_Boris_Goltz]

Potentially idiotic question: Can you use a PS4 as a streaming device? I like to watch Giant Bomb videos I have saved on my PC using my Xbox 360; will I be able to recreate that same experience with the PS4?

 

[Whipped Spartan]

Potentially idiotic question: Can you use a PS4 as a streaming device? I like to watch Giant Bomb videos I have saved on my PC using my Xbox 360; will I be able to recreate that same experience with the PS4?

Sony usually supports DLNA standard on their devices like PS3. Would expect the PS4 to be the same way.

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

i love how they just nonchalantly confirm they can do much of the voice shit the competition does, but just as an 'aside.'

"oh yeah we can do that too. if they want too. *shrug*. Up to you dudes, it's there."

Maybe it isn't very good in comparison and therefore it would be dumb to hype it up.

Don't see why I should be impressed by their supposed lack of interest/excitement.

 

[satam55]

Or perhaps they're not promoting it heavily because it's not as feature rich. At the start of last gen both could boast online play, but the depth or that experience was much better on one than the other.

The devil is in the detail.

But I doubt it will be even as good as that. If it was that good they would be shouting from the roof tops. I dont really care about it but there should be no doubt it wont be anything close to kinect.

You do realize that Smartphone, tablets, & SmartTVs can do voice commands (& even gesture commands), right? The PS4 definitely has better tech than those devices. It's about software, not hardware: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TaUsSy-f0Y

They're not shouting it from the rooftops because it's no longer packed in, not because it's commentary on its quality (and also because unlike Microsoft, they understand the audience they're trying to sell these systems to for launch window are actually usually turned off by Kinect). It MAY be poorly implemented or it may be really tight... but this is not at all the first time Sony has dealt with voice commands, and they're actually usually quite good at its implementation.

This!!! Sony is gonna shy away about boasting about the PS Eye Camera features because it's not bundled in with the system like Kinect will be.

 

[Iacobellis]

Twitch livestreaming was pushed back to "early 2014" for XB1. You can't export video either, you have to view it in the XB1 video player, which kind of defeats the purpose of social video sharing.

Is Twitch on PS4 at launch?

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

Maybe it isn't very good in comparison and therefore it would be dumb to hype it up.

Don't see why I should be impressed by their supposed lack of interest/excitement.

you shouldn't. be impressed with their lack of either mandating it's inclusion in any licensed games or at least pushing devs hard to implement it. if BF4 on PS4 doesn't have voice commands it's because DICE didn't want to put it in there, and it's in the xbone version because MS convinced them to.

sony is giving developers choice, so direct any frustration about lack of camera/voice features toward the devs that choose not to. and remember: every PS4 comes with a headset, so it's not like PS3 Eye where devs couldn't rely on every user owning one.

 

[boredofcanada]

My only concern with this launch is that PSN is gonna straight up crash on launch day. Millions of people are gonna be downloading this update and then activating their ps+ subs at once, and then jumping on BF4 COD and KZSF servers... Crossing fingers

 

[aronmayo2]

I don't get how this is not the part of 1.0 FW.

Rushed to manufacturing before firmware and software was ready. Xbox One is in the same situation. So much for PS4 never having to connect to the net.

 

[PerZona]

Next-gen is sooooo damnnn close already! OMG, can't wait!!!

 

[Dingotech]

Man, so disappointing that suspend/resume isn't day one.
That was almost my most anticipated feature of the next generation.

I'm sick of booting my PS3, loading a game, then loading my save all for only 10 minutes of gameplay of a morning. If I could boot the system instantly to where I was last I could game for much more time in shorter bursts.

 

[chubigans]

Is Twitch on PS4 at launch?

Yeah, it's part of the 1.5 update.

 

[Amir0x]

Maybe it isn't very good in comparison and therefore it would be dumb to hype it up.

Don't see why I should be impressed by their supposed lack of interest/excitement.

you shouldn't be excited about anything, flag wavers should have no such concerns whatsoever about the competition

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Man, so disappointing that suspend/resume isn't day one.
That was almost my most anticipated feature of the next generation.

I'm sick of booting my PS3, loading a game, then loading my save all for only 10 minutes of gameplay of a morning. If I could boot the system instantly to where I was last I could game for much more time in shorter bursts.

Load times and general system speed should be improved. Especially on an OS level. I won't be hindered too much by doing what I've been doing for decades. We will survive these hard times.

 

[androvsky]

My only concern with this launch is that PSN is gonna straight up crash on launch day. Millions of people are gonna be downloading this update and then activating their ps+ subs at once, and then jumping on BF4 COD and KZSF servers... Crossing fingers

There's over 70 million PS3s out there, and a huge chunk of them get updated pretty fast after a new firmware goes up so they can run Netflix or play online. I don't think an extra million PS4s are going to make much of a dent in the servers.

I do expect PSN to be buggy with the new system and friend list extensions, so it may work out to the same end anyway.

 

[Skeff]

Furthermore, users can use either the microphone of the Mono Head set connected to DualShock 4, or PlayStation Camera to navigate through the PS4 home screen (PlayStation Dynamic Menu) with voice commands to start up games and shutdown the system, among other features; please refer to PS4’s online manual for recognizable voice commands.

Did anyone mention voice control without PS Camera yet?

 

[jcm]

you shouldn't be excited about anything, flag wavers should have no such concerns whatsoever about the competition

Do people still say "snap"? If so, snap.

 

[Iacobellis]

Yeah, it's part of the 1.5 update.

And the original supporter of Twitch won't have it until 2014... Stuff like that baffles me.

 

[thebigmanjosh]

Rushed to manufacturing before firmware and software was ready. Xbox One is in the same situation. So much for PS4 never having to connect to the net.

The PS4 doesn't need to connect to the internet to play games and the update isn't mandatory.

 

[def sim]

This looks like a pretty standard update. It was unrealistic for the few people not to expect one on launch.

you shouldn't. be impressed with their lack of either mandating it's inclusion in any licensed games or at least pushing devs hard to implement it. if BF4 on PS4 doesn't have voice commands it's because DICE didn't want to put it in there, and it's in the xbone version because MS convinced them to.

sony is giving developers choice, so direct any frustration about lack of camera/voice features toward the devs that choose not to. and remember: every PS4 comes with a headset, so it's not like PS3 Eye where devs couldn't rely on every user owning one.

Microsoft creates the API and speech recognition library for developers to use. I'm sure they convince them to use their technology, but they've done the majority of the work when it comes to voice commands.

 

[Fredrik]

Same thing as PS3 then, and WiiU. It's odd that they don't launch it with DVD/Bluray playback though, without the update it's nothing more than a game console and I bet some people think it's barely even that. Feels like WiiU was more unfinished at launch though.

 

[BigDug13]

Same thing as PS3 then, and WiiU. It's odd that they don't launch it with DVD/Bluray playback though, without the update it's nothing more than a game console and I bet some people think it's barely even that. Feels like WiiU was more unfinished at launch though.

The theory for the DVD and BR is to encode your region upon activation. The games are region free, not the movie playback.

Since the same console is being built for all regions, easiest way to ensure movie playback gets region coded is to force it to be via downloaded firmware.

 

[jcm]

The theory for the DVD and BR is to encode your region upon activation. The games are region free, not the movie playback.

Since the same console is being built for all regions, easiest way to ensure movie playback gets region coded is to force it to be via downloaded firmware.

But the consoles aren't the same, are they? At the very least they have different power cables.

 

[Cartman86]

Twitch livestreaming was pushed back to "early 2014" for XB1. You can't export video either, you have to view it in the XB1 video player, which kind of defeats the purpose of social video sharing.

And the original supporter of Twitch won't have it until 2014... Stuff like that baffles me.

I'm trying to find a link to it, but I haven't found anything mentioning live streaming being delayed. Only that the sharing features of the last 5 minutes of gameplay app "Game DVR" would be delayed. So you can share those 5 minutes to Xbox Live users, but not to Facebook or Youtube yet. But no mention of live streaming being delayed.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xb...nly-through-xbox-live-at-launch/1100-6414841/

 

[TriGen]

I'm trying to find a link to it, but I haven't found anything mentioning live streaming being delayed. Only that the sharing features of the last 5 minutes of gameplay app "Game DVR" would be delayed. So you can share those 5 minutes to Xbox Live users, but not to Facebook or Youtube yet. But no mention of live streaming being delayed.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xb...nly-through-xbox-live-at-launch/1100-6414841/

Yeah, they said you can only upload your DVR stuff to Xbox Live at launch -- they never said Twitch streaming was delayed. Unless this is a "source" thing. I'd like confirmation because since I'll have both consoles, that could have an impact on what games I get on what console.

 

[SnakeXs]

Same thing as PS3 then, and WiiU. It's odd that they don't launch it with DVD/Bluray playback though, without the update it's nothing more than a game console and I bet some people think it's barely even that. Feels like WiiU was more unfinished at launch though.

Someone mentioned earlier that this way Sony will only pay royalty fees for systems that go online. It may not sound like a ton, but a few pennies multiplied by however many systems aren't online turns out to be a pretty penny.

 

[madmackem]

Rushed to manufacturing before firmware and software was ready. Xbox One is in the same situation. So much for PS4 never having to connect to the net.

Most of those features are related to online, if you straight up just want to play a game offline you shouldnt need to update, its not about being rushed to manufacturing its about them working on software right up to the time of launch which given what both these console systems os now do is no surprise.