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Eurogamer interviews Crytek on PS4, XBONE and Ryse
- Thread starter Maninthemirror
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He does not have 'outstanding bias' ...
It will be interesting to see what people will say about Leadbetter in his next week article about Killzone: Shadow Fall and Guerrilla Games.
Good one, I like the implication I don't care about game technology, that's a silly thing to say to someone who you don't know.
You dont and this quote about Shifty is the best example:
"and I don't really care what someone on Beyond3d says. "
Yeah, Beyond3D is the be all end all of real tech talk.
I've only heard 30-50% ... Who is saying twice as powerful? That's... Not right.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
So Crytek still isn't showing actual Xbox footage is what you're trying to say
gundamkyoukai
Member
As soon as diminishing returns comes up you know there some PR to it .
Even if the difference not as big as some people think having extra 10 frame between each version from optimizing is huge to some people .
And what is better place?
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Nope. And i can think of dozens examples of diminishing returns in games that can blur difference quality between two platforms.
Shadow rendering resolution
Shadow rendering every 4 frames, not every 3 frames
Motion Blur and Depth of Field Quality
SSR quality
Cubemaps quality
Shading quality
Lower particles count
Lack of motion blur on particles
etc, etc
Devs can change tons of stuff people would not normally notice to preserve similar quality and thats what he was talking about.
As a games programmer, I can safely say I care about game technology, I hope that ends the discussion and your baseless personal attacks, you really shouldn't get so riled up just because someone says something bad about Crytek.
Dictator93
Member
No tht egames and console talk section of Beyond 3d. The alogrithm and hardware place of the forum is not inhabited by those who have console warrior beliefs.
The DGPU rumor was actually entertained on Beyond3d by waay too many people (in the console forum that is). Makes you wonder about some credibility there.
Leadbetter is fine when he's actually looking at technical details with a game in front of him. It's his close connection to Microsoft that is skewing his recent articles. I wouldn't exactly say bias but he's getting a lot of info directly from MS and not much from Sony.
The internet. Treating B3D as gospel is a bit silly, especially considering how it went downhill and is laced with random people posting random stuff.
Well... the answer is..... Crytek is currently developing a 1st Party game for Microsoft and not for Sony.
He has!
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I agree here, it's not that he necessarily has an Xbox Bias, but he talks with Microsoft and simply takes there word for it regardless of evidence. I think it's more of a lot of contact with Microsoft and a lack of due diligence, which in an ideal world would be fine.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
So some of the biggest devs in the business are saying that there won't much of a difference between the multiplats.
I guess gaf analysts must know better.
Remember when the PS3 was going to be like a generation leap over the 360? lol.
I guess gaf analysts must know better.
Remember when the PS3 was going to be like a generation leap over the 360? lol.
Yes, the Developer has no reason to lie what so ever, his game certainly doesn't depend on the XB1 sales or anything like that.
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Maninthemirror
Banned
2014 will decide that
Really? We already know that for most launch games there is going to be a large difference out of the gate and, as far as we know, Crytek isn't even working on PS4 yet.
Chaplain
Member
I think that the problem for many is that these developers are now saying that math doesn't mean what it has always meant with these new consoles. Saying 1.8 TF & 1.3 TF is the same thing sounds absurd to many.
shinra-bansho
Member
Interview was almost as fluffy as this adorable bunny.
If you cared, you'd accept whatever link I may post as an appeal to authority and whatever they contain at face value.
Duh.
Aww.
Look you obviously don't care, because look I can post a link to the Beyond3D forums like so, http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1793805&postcount=4412, and you'd dare to dismiss it and engage in independent thought processes unbecoming of someone who cares.
If you cared, you'd accept whatever link I may post as an appeal to authority and whatever they contain at face value.
Duh.
How it ends discussion? Its even better now. So tell me, how reliable is counting pixelsfrom heavy processed image, based on few lines that arent even aliased?
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Sure, there is tons of shit there too. But much less than here or anywhere else on the internet.
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He got more tech inside articles about Sony games than Microsoft ones in DF site history. He made two interviews with Cerny since February. And he just came back from Guerrilla Games.
He also praised ND and SSM tech a lot in their articles through the past generation. So, where is that bias? I seriously dont see it.
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You've narrowed it down. Thanks.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Yes, because Crytek thinks that by falsely equating the two machines on a Eurogamer article, Ryse sales will double what they would have been otherwise.
I know it's just you again, Salvor Hardin, but: We're not talking about some boxers here, where you can "guess" which one is stronger and better.
Look at the spec sheet + know a bit about coding and you can clearly see that the PS4 is clearly more powerful. But I guess the 720p/900p games on the Xbone are just "driver issues", right? Tell us more about the 1st Party Crytek game for the PS4. Oh, they don't have one and are currently just developing a 1st Party MS game? I see...
Crimson_Gold
Member
How are you going to compare the PS3/360 situation when each console had completely different architectures? These comparisons are apples and pears.
The PS4 and Xb1 have AMD architectures and using generally the same tech. Comparisons between these two is apples to apples. The apples may have different color, but they are still apples.
Funny, I don't read it like that at all..
He seems to push ESRAM as being a compromise quite a bit, he brings up PS4 Compute which gets a good positive response about PS4, etc, etc..
I think perhaps you are being a little sensitive over this, but you aren't alone, if any source doesn't go along with PS4 100%+ more powerful and XB1 is doomed sentiment, then people are calling them out as clearly incompetent/biased..
He might have a preference, but the answers to his questions don't exactly negate his stance do they?
I think this level of Dev is very level headed, what is 'quite similar' to them will be an absolute gulf to certain people on GAF..
I'm sure to these devs, 1080p to 900p would be 'almost indistinguisable', and even 1080 to 720 might be seem as 'a little bit better'..
So I think both can be 'right'..
By all indications, we'll see it at launch.
I referring to his recent articles. It just seems like he has more info and contact with Microsoft. I wasn't implying anything sinister or accusing of bias, just a lack of balance in the information he's getting which some could interpret as a bias.
Oh, you mean a dev who's working on an exclusive XB1 game? Or when EA said it, when they have an exclusive publishing deal with XB1?
It's going to be fun reading the comparison articles on multiplat games in a few weeks.
They've put an idea for Kingdoms Project to both Sony and Microsoft. Sony turned them down, Microsoft not.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Give me a break the first thing Crytek did was lower the res to get the performance they want .
You know well that is the first thing devs do is lower the res along with not caring about the frame rate .
They would keep everything on your list and then the frame rate and res would be big difference between the platforms .
Crytek did the same on 360 and PS3 and if optimizing is the difference between 1080p and 900p i don't see that as diminishing returns .
Because the circumstances are the same this time around, right? *rolleyes*
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Not shocking, if you look at some RYSE footage.
edit. Animation, a lot of QTE's etc.
But maybe it's just me.
Not this shit again. The situation this time is much different and has been pointed out many times before
DragonSworne
Banned
Guys, remember that the last person to use the diminishing returns arguement was Iwata.
btw, you just disqualified yourself with that comment.
GameSeeker
Member
It's unfortunate the Crytek interview has very little new technical insight. The only answer that seemed new was that Ryse is using a SMAA T1x anti-aliasing solution. It's disappointing that the AA is only one sample as I was hoping for SMAA T2x or SMAA 4x, but Ryse is a launch game so hopefully we will see better AA later in the generation.
Let's hope the upcoming interview with Guerrilla Games is more insightful.
Let's hope the upcoming interview with Guerrilla Games is more insightful.
nelsonroyale
Member
Fitting you only post such a thing when it is favourable to the opinion you wish to believe. Selectivity is not a good indictor of an analytical mind
But Project Kingdom was first person open world RPG, not current game. It evolved into Ryse, because of development hell in Crytek Kiev or Budapest.
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I dont too same, goes for shadow rendering resolution for example, but for many people it actually is. COD resolution is the best example, that many dont care.
And Ryse is not even multiplatform. Cevat said that if Ryse was PS4 they would still use 900p, but increased fidelity. How true it is, we will see in the next Crytek Frankfurt multiplatform game.
Yep, I believe that is exactly what I said, you certainly didn't reduce my argument to the ultimate extremes to make it seem less plausible.
@KKRT00
When You have a picture such as the one in the thread it is difficult to do but it is still very reliable, There is an error for margin, however that error is reduced the more people look at it, hence the suggestion for you to go and take a look yourself and give your opinion. when the game gets here I would not be surprised to see 900p gameplay and 1080p cutscenes, which is what they have released in direct feed. I haven't seen any Direct feed gameplay that would be suitable for counting yet, only Direct feed cutscenes.
To be honest, asking the question could actually be a positive for Ryse, it could go from 900p to 900p with 1080p cutscenes, which would be an improvement surely?
There is now little doubt there's a major power difference between the machines, that should be clear from specs alone. The only ones who say otherwise, are those in the Microsoft camp, or those who come out with non-commital comments like games being "similar".
There seems to be an ongoing narrative that "unnamed" sources somehow aren't credible. Quite the opposite is true, off the record, developers can speak freely, without fear of breaking NDA's or being sacked.
ESRAM is going to hurt two things out of the gate: anti aliasing and resolution.
Finding reliable infos require some work, yes. There's always people you can trust, like Durante here.
But treating one particular forum, couting thousands of users ranging from knowledgeable to trolls, as the de facto place to go to and believe everything, is just silly. Quite frankly, iIt's just some kind of appeal to authority that doesn't really have any basis.
DragonSworne
Banned
Seems like he is refering to Kinect
Dictator93
Member
SMAA T1x is better than T2x. More accurate TAA