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Eurogamer interviews Crytek on PS4, XBONE and Ryse

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Raist

Banned
CassidyIzABeast said:
It might be the same model but the cutscene the player just watched and what they're now playing doesn't have the same image quality. Dropping resolution flies in the face of a seamless transition.
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Well I don't know. They keep defending their 900p design choice by stating that you won't see a difference anyway.
The thing is, even very recent shots of Ryse (cutscenes) are definitely 1080p native. The question is why.
 
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StuBurns

Banned
Salvor.Hardin said:
If you've read enough analysis then you might be able to provide me an informed guestimate and we can compare numbers at a later date.

I'm going to go with 2 games of all the launch multiplats.
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What matters is which version is better, that amounts to a lot more than resolution. So if the real question is how many of the launch games on PS4 will win DF's face-off, every single one of them is my guess.
 
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Skeff

Member
Salvor.Hardin said:
The proof is in the pudding - how many multiplat launch games of all the multiplat launch games will have a better resolution on the PS4?



If you've read enough analysis then you might be able to provide me an informed guestimate and we can compare numbers at a later date.

I'm going to go with 2 games of all the launch multiplats.
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CoD, BF, ACIV and NFS would be my guess, which is essentially all of the non-sports games.
 
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RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
Salvor.Hardin said:
The difference here is that I accept that I do not know the nuances of game development and programming so I'm going to defer my opinion to some of the most reputable game development teams in the industry.

And I'll most certainly be proven right. There probably won't be any significant multiplat differences down the line once console hardware is better understood. It will probably be a rehash of the PS3/360 divide, but with less broken games.
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I agree that games won't be broken but the spec difference is still big enough for differences to be considerably larger than current gen.
 
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Jburton

Banned
Salvor.Hardin said:
The difference here is that I accept that I do not know the nuances of game development and programming so I'm going to defer my opinion to some of the most reputable game development teams in the industry.

And I'll most certainly be proven right. There probably won't be any significant multiplat differences down the line once console hardware is better understood. It will probably be a rehash of the PS3/360 divide, but with less broken games.
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You walk a very fine line, most of your posts seem to be almost trolling in nature.


You will be proven right ...... yawn!
 
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ConteZero76

Member
"The Xbox One has dedicated audio processing hardware that is not present in PS4 or PC. How do you utilise it in Ryse?" -> "You hear that ? XBox One has a DEDICATED.AUDIO.PROCESSING.HARDWARE that neither PS4 or PC have."

That's a bit spoon-fed.
 
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Salvor.Hardin

Banned
StuBurns said:
What matters is which version is better, that amounts to a lot more than resolution. So if the real question is how many of the launch games on PS4 will win DF's face-off, every single one of them is my guess.
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Then we go back to the definition of significant difference and it looks like you're going to settle for 'a difference' :p

Skeff said:
CoD, BF, ACIV and NFS would be my guess, which is essentially all of the non-sports games.
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ACIV and NFS? I don't see that happening at all. In fact, didn't someone from EA comment on the differences saying that they would be minimal, but one might be slightly better?
 
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omonimo

Banned
Cevat Yerli: Both next-gen platforms have excellent specs and provide wins against each other in a variety of areas. But, in essence, both of them are going to run next-generation games in more or less the same quality due to the diminishing returns of optimising for these little differences. That being said, platform-exclusive titles might be able to take advantage of these slight variations on both Xbox One and PlayStation 4.
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Wait a minute, he said xbone has some hardware advantages over the ps4? Lol, stay classy Yerli, stay classy.
 
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Ateron

Member
Salvor.Hardin said:
It would be preposterous to discount the technical analysis conducted by Crytek, Mikami's team, and Carmack that led to the conclusions that they reached. They have far more experience in actual development than a lot of the intelligent and articulate individuals who have shared their views.
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I think we will have proof soon enough if the recent news/rumours are anything to go by.

Anyway, even though those three sources are very talented and recognized (and rightly so), there are a few details that might make their opinions hard to swallow.

Crytek is producing an exclusive title.

Mikami was probably miss translated in that interview (he was probably talking about dev tools and not actual hardware, for as I know the ps4 didn't lose it's gpu or ram solution along the way, neither did magic elves secretly installed better parts on the x1). Even with the improvement in dev tools (and slight upclock) the hw difference is still there and it will be a battle for the x1 to keep up. Ps4 tools will improve in time too.

And lastly Carmack, who was been away for while, said that but he also added that he hadn't done any significant benchmarkings yet, so..


As I said, until november this is just conjecture based on the specs we have and common sense. Math doesn't lie. The x1 will more than likely prove itself as a console well worth to have, and to many the differences will be negligeable but I would never seek it as my main console for ports this generation.
 
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RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
tradeoff said:
The XB1 has the advantage in CPU, Audio Processing, ESRAM (PS4 doesn't even have any), and Cloud Processing while PS4 might have an edge in GPU according to some people.

Four is better than One
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I was wondering where TheKayle went.

Salvor.Hardin said:
Then we go back to the definition of significant difference and it looks like you're going to settle for 'a difference' :p
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Would you consider 1080p versus 900p a significant difference? I certainly do.
 
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kitch9

Banned
KKRT00 said:
And what is better place?

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Nope. And i can think of dozens examples of diminishing returns in games that can blur difference quality between two platforms.

Shadow rendering resolution
Shadow rendering every 4 frames, not every 3 frames
Motion Blur and Depth of Field Quality
SSR quality
Cubemaps quality
Shading quality
Lower particles count
Lack of motion blur on particles
etc, etc

Devs can change tons of stuff people would not normally notice to preserve similar quality and thats what he was talking about.
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Uhm, if adjusting those makes no difference visually why wouldn't both be the same and the faster machine gets other improvements which are noticeable?
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Salvor.Hardin said:
The proof is in the pudding - how many multiplat launch games of all the multiplat launch games will have a better resolution on the PS4?



If you've read enough analysis then you might be able to provide me an informed guestimate and we can compare numbers at a later date.

I'm going to go with 2 games of all the launch multiplats.
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You're not even being genuine here. Of the games where we know the resolution of both versions, and there are only a few, almost all are higher on ps4. What pudding are you asking us to taste? You know it's not on the table.
 
ethomaz

ethomaz

Banned
In technical part what I get is that 32MB eSRAM is not enough for 900p + MSAA... you need to deal (move data between fast eSRAM and slow DDR3) to make the things works.

I think these are the biggest issues that devs are suffering in Xbone... especially multiplataforms.

About 30fps vs 60fps I think it is a design choice but if the game needs fast response I prefer 60fps instead 30fps (online FPS, racing and fighting is a good example).
 
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gundamkyoukai

Member
tradeoff said:
The XB1 has the advantage in CPU, Audio Processing, ESRAM (PS4 doesn't even have any), and Cloud Processing while PS4 might have an edge in GPU according to some people.

Four is better than One
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You have no idea what you are talking about , PS4 does not need esram thanks to it's set up .
Plus anything MS can do on the cloud so can Sony ......
I can't tell who is joking and serious a lot of the time these days .
 
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omonimo

Banned
Digital Foundry: The Xbox One has dedicated audio processing hardware that is not present in PS4 or PC. How do you utilise it in Ryse?
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Jeez, he has had the courage to ask even this thing? I mean, he has almost completely ignored the audio processing during the ps360 generation now it's that important? Crazy days for Leadbetter, really crazy days.
 
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BruceLeeRoy

Banned
Salvor.Hardin said:
Then we go back to the definition of significant difference and it looks like you're going to settle for 'a difference' :p



ACIV and NFS? I don't see that happening at all. In fact, didn't someone from EA comment on the differences saying that they would be minimal, but one might be slightly better?
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There are going to be HUGE differences between the multiplat games at launch and unlike the PS3/360 its not a case of one system being a alien architecture but a combination of difficulty of development plus a weaker system. How can you believe they will be minimal if anything the differences will grow.
 
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Salvor.Hardin

Banned
Y2Kev said:
You're not even being genuine here. Of the games where we know the resolution of both versions, and there are only a few, almost all are higher on ps4. What pudding are you asking us to taste? You know it's not on the table.
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Could you list the ones that are confirmed to be different?

BruceLeeRoy said:
There are going to be HUGE differences between the multiplat games at launch and unlike the PS3/360 its not a case of one system being a alien architecture but a combination of difficulty of development plus a weaker system. How can you believe they will be minimal if anything the differences will grow.
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HUGE differences for launch multiplats? lol I'll be happy to eat crow if that happens (I feel like the crazy buttocks is going to come in any second with a jpeg of a dead crow)
 
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benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
All this "huge" and "significant" shit is so tiresome.

If you try to argue for 20 posts how none of that shit will occur, then get specific with what would be significant and what wouldn't so we don't have to have this semantics argument in 4 weeks.

We've had this discussion before with various members that are now greyed out and curiously nobody that thinks there will be no significant differences is getting specific with what that means, despite having hundreds of Face-Offs to base a reasonable projection on.
 
CassidyIzABeast

CassidyIzABeast

Member
Raist said:
Well I don't know. They keep defending their 900p design choice by stating that you won't see a difference anyway.
The thing is, even very recent shots of Ryse (cutscenes) are definitely 1080p native. The question is why.
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Personally I think the new cutscenes are 900p. when you compare the old(http://i1.minus.com/i6bIl6rugRnpQ.jpg) with the new (http://i2.minus.com/iUNi68nr9Pst8.jpg), the old shot is definitely sharper but they've improved the visuals so much its hard to tell.

GTTV is featuring Ryse is a couple weeks so we might see some of those cutscene to gameplay transitions. If GT's quality is shit then we'll just have to wait until launch or when Crytek puts out another trailer.
 
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tradeoff

Banned
Risk Breaker said:
What.

Seriously, what?
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Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
 
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prwxv3

Member
tradeoff said:
Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
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Holy shit. My sides
 
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keuja

Member
tradeoff said:
Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
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wtf is happening
 
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Risk Breaker

Member
tradeoff said:
Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
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lolwut

A master of metaphor, I see.
 
SEGAvangelist

SEGAvangelist

Member
tradeoff said:
Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
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Wow. Just... wow.
 
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BeeDog

Member
tradeoff said:
Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
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I like you.
 
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Jburton

Banned
tradeoff said:
Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
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You talk a special brand of nonsense.

For example:

"They will money hat as many exclusives as necessary... they will open as many studios as necessary.. .they will bundle and price drop as much as necessary... they will break as many fanboy hearts as necessary to beat Sony and, by relation, you the Sony holdout dreamer. Your salty tears and hate will simply fuel their fire. You will try to vote with your wallets and your voice, but your wallets/voice will get trampled by the XB1 gravy train laden with the soccer mom's and dudebro's hooing and hawing their way to a connected, metro-interfaced future.

You will lose. In fact, you have already lost"


Dude you are not doing your love any favours, Christ if you where my cheerleader I would be embarrassed.
 
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Salvor.Hardin

Banned
tradeoff said:
Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
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That post and username combo. Nice.
 
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stonesak

Okay, if you really insist
tradeoff said:
Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
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Lol. 10/10.
 
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omonimo

Banned
tradeoff said:
Let me break it down in layman's terms so more people can understand what they can expect with these two systems. Let's say the PS4 is the fat kid in school standing on the center of a seesaw all by his lonesome trying to get both sides to stay off the ground. Sure, no one denies he's the strongest kid in the class but he's also a bully so he's often left doing this sort of thing on his own. And that extra weight makes it harder to maneuver in tight spots so the planks just keep slamming to the ground one one side or the other. On the other hand, you got XB1 which is more like a group of four popular buddies who play well together and get all the girls. Their even number allows them to stand on the ends of the very same seesaw, two by two, and balance it off the ground for as long as they like in perfect harmony.
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MS needs to use this for the next pr campaign.
 
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