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famousmortimer: Xbox One OS and Xbox Live issues bouncing about as we approach launch

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Tomcat

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You really love the taste of crow, don't you?



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what crow?

he is right its a win win situation for these insiders. if xbox one doesn't have any of these problems they can say oh they fixed just right on time.
especially this last rumor does really anyone expect the first weekend to be smooth sail for these consoles?
 

MormaPope

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The 720p issue was never about the resolution itself, plenty of people felt it was, there is no denying that. But for a lot of other people it meant other deeper issues with developing for the Xbox One. One game being a lesser version of the other won't be the issue, if the majority of third party software looks and plays much better on the PS4 vs. Xbone, that'll be the moment where plenty of consumers will see Microsoft shitting the bed.
 

JaggedSac

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Any new info on why MS fundamentally changed the concept of a system wide party and changed it into what appears to be game specific ones?
 

CLEEK

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How does that even happen. I can understand servers being overloaded but how do they eff it up on a software level.

Having a seemless experience where you go from local to server hosting in not easy, even for the big boys. There is no doubt a lot of work being done on the server side as well on the Xbox end. Factor in the regular rumours of MS being behind schedule with the Xbox and massive, fundamental design changes from all the 180s and its a recipe for technical issues. A least MS have the resources and experience to resolve the issues eventually. Maybe not in the short term...
 

p3tran

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....i imagine that worst case scenario would be that one high ranking microsft suit with a semi-brain already has contacted a high ranking engineer-suit,
asking him for the favor of personally getting his hands dirty like it was 1999 and droping a team of high caliber coders that would normally would not be even bothered with the xbone if someone else had not screwed up beyond the scale of screwup blah blah...

or something in the lines of that.

i mean, its software.. they can do overtime on that..

but boy-oh-boy, if by any chance this release i go to my 360 to contact my game friends, like i used to do this gen but for another reason... hahahaha its going to ve soooo fucking funny :D
 

IvorB

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Anyone buying this thing at launch is really asking for grief. Considering MS track record with rushing 360 to market and the RROD, you really have to wonder how bad things will get this time. Caveat emptor!
 
Any new info on why MS fundamentally changed the concept of a system wide party and changed it into what appears to be game specific ones?

Have you read all of mort's posts in here as he adds a little on to what is said in the blogs?

Otherwise nothing new on that front
 

Tookay

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what crow?

he is right its a win win situation for these insiders. if xbox one doesn't have any of these problems they can say oh they fixed just right on time.
especially this last rumor does really anyone expect the first weekend to be smooth sail for these consoles?

He's wrong for suggesting that it's a copout for insiders to allow the possibility of this getting fixed. And it's not like many of them - especially mortimer - were allowing for that to happen, because they were suggesting there were VERY deep problems that would take more than a month to solve.

So the whole framing of the argument was bad to begin with.
 

Marvel

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I'm certainly going to wait a good few months now before buying an Xbox One. Give Microsoft time to fix these issues.

Don't want a repeat of what happened with my launch 360's.
 

sublimit

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Anyone buying this thing at launch is really asking for grief. Considering MS track record with rushing 360 to market and the RROD, you really have to wonder how bad things will get this time. Caveat emptor!

This place is going to get really nasty after XB1's launch. :/
 

Shrewder

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Having a seemless experience where you go from local to server hosting in not easy, even for the big boys. There is no doubt a lot of work being done on the server side as well on the Xbox end. Factor in the regular rumours of MS being behind schedule with the Xbox and massive, fundamental design changes from all the 180s and its a recipe for technical issues. A least MS have the resources and experience to resolve the issues eventually. Maybe not in the short term...

Agreed.
 

Ashes

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Absolutely. I have reacted crazily as well many times, but I am mellowing recently. Just let the facts come out and then go crazy if it's bad news. The actual facts.

Like the 720p COD thread that went nuclear. We still don't know the outcome.

Er, you might want to reconsider using cod as your example. Sony just came out and said 1080p native, while Microsoft is hush hush, last I heard. That was a Mortimer rumour. That is still on going, but presumably devs are waiting to patch it asap.
 
I don't expect Microsoft to make an official statement stating just how bad everything is, but as someone who has defended/supported them over the last 10+ years I want to know that everything will be fine.

I don't want to pay £430 for something that is fundamentally broken and could take weeks/months to resolve. I can appreciate that some functionality might not be in place at launch, but what is there should work.

No more bullshit, no smoke and mirrors just be honest.

Its launch of a new console the fact that a potential 1 million consoles might connect to the cloud means fuck ups. The question is how long will those last one or two weeks or one to two months. The latter is a big no no and will probably not sit well with potential Azure customers. One or two weeks maybe one month is acceptable and will be forgotten by the majority of the gamers once it run well.
 

CLEEK

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Any new info on why MS fundamentally changed the concept of a system wide party and changed it into what appears to be game specific ones?

It probably conflicted with TV integration or Skype or NuADs or Kinect or some other function which trumps gaming in the eyes of the current Xbox decision makers.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
So thuway confirmed that Sony has OS issues as well, gerstman also stated that Sony have been cagey with their OS......seems like two consoles that will have their fair share of issues at launch.

Are we expecting the Xbox issues to he worse? Is that why there is no equivalent ps4 thread? I'm trying to figure out what the difference is. Also, both companies have shown a great aptitude at adding OS features and making huge strides in terms of the OS with their current consoles. If anything, I'd say MS has done more to transform their OS for the 360 than Sony with their Ps3. So any issues will likely be resolved soon after launch for both consoles. Unless the thing doesn't boot up and play games, I think both consoles will be fine.

I would also say to buy neither one at launch if bugs and crashes bother you a lot.
 
The part I was saying he nailed is the way that all these 'rumours' are tailed with , 'but I could be wrong' which lends no authority to what they are saying one way or the other. If at launch it works fine, people will say 'well he said it might not be true'.

It may very well be true, but just say one way or the other.

Nothing is a fixed point. The issues stated are from the perspective of multiple people in multiple positions. They are all based on each individuals knowledge of the subject at that present moment.


There is plently room for things to get misinterpreted even amongst devs. Its fair to say "I may be wrong" but hang your rep (and your account) on the line.


It boils down to this. If GAFs insiders are all wrong, all wrong, they will be banned and permabanned and the little damage amongst forum goers will be quickly reversed and forgotten.

If Microsoft has the perfect and well executed product you think they do, it will be evident minute zero, day 1. Thats worth more in marketing dollars than a billion major nelsons.

If they don't and there is truth to what is being said here it will spread to the mainstream and thats when Microsoft has to worry.

A few hundred Gaf cancelled preorders (pending further info) are not going to hurt them in the slightest. If these people do want an xbone and it is proven to work as designed they will quickly pick one up close to launch.

And believe it or not, I beleive for the vast majority of people with an X1 preorder, even if the box was rumoured to release saccharin gas upon booting up, they still want an xbox one and will still will get one. If you havent cancelled before reading this latest leak, you arent going to even if you bitch and whine in this thread. Likewise with the PS4.



So if false this doesnt affect anything in the real world. Stop stressing about it.
 

thuway

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I don't expect Microsoft to make an official statement stating just how bad everything is, but as someone who has defended/supported them over the last 10+ years I want to know that everything will be fine.

I don't want to pay £430 for something that is fundamentally broken and could take weeks/months to resolve. I can appreciate that some functionality might not be in place at launch, but what is there should work.

No more bullshit, no smoke and mirrors just be honest.

Didn't you say you were switching to PS4?
 

LCfiner

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The thing that scares me the most is that MS hasn't said a thing to refute the rumour.

no, that doesn't scare me. they do not need to comment on this - especially on a Sunday night, early Monday morning.

if things get really out of hand with more sources coming forward or more concrete details of how far behind they are, then they might want to say something but the typical line is "MS does not comment on rumors and speculation". And that's there for a reason.
 

Nokterian

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I wonder does this also in to the account of delaying in other parts of europe like the netherlands? These problems are pretty huge if true..i will sit back and watch when it finally launches.
 

PBY

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no, that doesn't scare me. they do not need to comment on this - especially on a Sunday night, early Monday morning.

if things get really out of hand with more sources coming forward or more concrete details of how far behind they are, then they might want to say something but the typical line is "MS does not comment on rumors and speculation". And that's there for a reason.
Yup. They're definitely not going to comment on an "insiders" forum post, unless this somehow gets bigger. But we've gotten zero new info, details, etc
 

IvorB

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This place is going to get really nasty after XB1's launch. :/

Yeah and this is just the stuff we know about because devs have experienced it. What about the stuff that's not going to surface until people start using it at home? Any RROD-style hardware defects maybe? What corners have been cut or rushed to get this thing to market. We know MS will happily cut corners to launch this thing on time. They've done it before.
 

system11

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Anyone buying this thing at launch is really asking for grief. Considering MS track record with rushing 360 to market and the RROD, you really have to wonder how bad things will get this time. Caveat emptor!

xbox_trainwreck.jpg


I haven't been inspired to make a stupid image for years, nice work MS.
 

PBY

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Yeah and this is just the stuff we know about because devs have experienced it. What about the stuff that's not going to surface until people start using it at home? Any RROD-style hardware defects maybe? What corners have been cut or rushed to get this thing to market. We know MS will happily cut corners to launch this thing on time. They've done it before.
Y'all need to chill. We don't even know if this stuff is true. You're just fear mongering at this point, considering well all know soon enough.
 

Valnen

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People keep saying Mort and such will get permanently banned if this one rumor is false, but that seems silly to me when they have otherwise proven track records.
 

Jigolo

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It appears that gif that was made with the MS Team going crazy on that spaceship after the Feb 20 announcement was fucking spot on. It's too bad I can't find it anywhere.
 

mocoworm

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Er, you might want to reconsider using cod as your example. Sony just came out and said 1080p native, while Microsoft is hush hush, last I heard. That was a Mortimer rumour. That is still on going, but presumably devs are waiting to patch it asap.

Exactly. Like I said, we still don't know the outcome. My example is correct. I think that XONE will probably be 720p though, 900p at best.
 
Looks like launch window is going to be rough. We'll see how this all turns out. Like others have said huge online stuff is very much prone to overloads and unforeseen bugs. Although these design decisions with different chat APIs for different games etc is indeed worrying. If that info is correct of course.
 

LCfiner

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So thuway confirmed that Sony has OS issues as well, gerstman also stated that Sony have been cagey with their OS......seems like two consoles that will have their fair share of issues at launch.

Are we expecting the Xbox issues to he worse? Is that why there is no equivalent ps4 thread? I'm trying to figure out what the difference is. Also, both companies have shown a great aptitude at adding OS features and making huge strides in terms of the OS with their current consoles. If anything, I'd say MS has done more to transform their OS for the 360 than Sony with their Ps3. So any issues will likely be resolved soon after launch for both consoles. Unless the thing doesn't boot up and play games, I think both consoles will be fine.

I would also say to buy neither one at launch if bugs and crashes bother you a lot.

There's a difference. the Sony OS issues are that 1) PSN is not up - but it's not scheduled to be up and 2) the OS is still being finalized, hence the massive, practically mandatory day 1 patch. 3) They're having a tightly controlled review event because they have all this stuff coming down to the wire

The allegation here in this thread is that fundamental XBL chat and multiplayer matchup features may be broken on Xbone for months after launch. That's a big thing. If the source who said it's a fix that will take a long time is correct, then it's a bigger problem for MS than the stuff we've heard about Sony's OS.

But, if the problem's scope is overblown by this source, then perhaps it's a very short term problem that ends up getting patched either on day one or in the first couple weeks. Which would not be the end of the world.
 
People keep saying Mort and such will get permanently banned if this one rumor is false, but that seems silly to me when they have otherwise proven track records.

There are strict rules for posting leaks etc. on here

Requires showing at least two sources to mods

Thus since Mort's posted on here discussing this he must have verified it with mods to some extent
 

Jibbed

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Anyone buying this thing at launch is really asking for grief. Considering MS track record with rushing 360 to market and the RROD, you really have to wonder how bad things will get this time. Caveat emptor!

Yup.

I'm still getting my PS4 at launch, but considering everything we've been through Xbox-wise this past year and all of these further issues arising recently, it really isn't worth it.
 

CLEEK

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I don't expect Microsoft to make an official statement stating just how bad everything is, but as someone who has defended/supported them over the last 10+ years I want to know that everything will be fine.

I don't want to pay £430 for something that is fundamentally broken and could take weeks/months to resolve. I can appreciate that some functionality might not be in place at launch, but what is there should work.

No more bullshit, no smoke and mirrors just be honest.

Why would MS do that? Its not in their nature. Just look at how they handled RRoD. They knew long before launch that the hardware was fucked and had fundamental design issues. Yep kept pumping them off the production line to make sure they had the jump on the PS3.

Then after launch when consumers had dead consoles, they denied any problem "things break" and pumped out the exact same flawed hardware for 12 months before finally starting to look into addressing the hardware faults.

Starting to sound all too familiar.
 

Nokterian

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Anyone buying this thing at launch is really asking for grief. Considering MS track record with rushing 360 to market and the RROD, you really have to wonder how bad things will get this time. Caveat emptor!

One of my reasons that i am skipping this but hey for my country it is delayed untill 2014 so no worry!
 

mocoworm

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There are strict rules for posting leaks etc. on here

Requires showing at least two sources to mods

Thus since Mort's posted on here discussing this he must have verified it with mods to some extent

He didn't start this thread. He posted it on his blog and said that the mods hadn't got back to him so he couldn't post it on GAF. In the 50+ pages since he may have had it verified by mods though. Someone will have to correct me if I am wrong.

FamousMortimer said:
I wrote this entire thing on GAF but never got the go ahead from the mods to post it so I moved it over here.

http://doddscientifics.com/2013/10/28/xbox-one-os-and-xbox-live-issues-bouncing-about-as-we-approach-launch/
 

Woffls

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The thing at the back my mind that is concerning me most is that, if the problems are not as bad as people are saying, Microsoft would be making efforts to correct the situation. But they aren't.

Sony should be doing the same, but they have more to lose because the focus isn't on them at the moment, and people expect more from Microsoft in software and infrastructure. Sony have the best hardware, Microsoft have the best software, and that's how it's been for a while.

Honestly, I'm pretty pissed off at both companies for covering all this up (if claims are accurate) and I bet their justification for it is "we're forecasting that these issues will be resolved by launch, so just chill".

What I'm really, really thankful for is that people are now starting to share their experiences with these broken ass consoles, and that this will increase in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully by then we can make informed decisions.
 

PBY

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The thing at the back my mind that is concerning me most is that, if the problems are not as bad as people are saying, Microsoft would be making efforts to correct the situation. But they aren't.

Sony should be doing the same, but they have more to lose because the focus isn't on them at the moment, and people expect more from Microsoft in software and infrastructure. Sony have the best hardware, Microsoft have the best software, and that's how it's been for a while.

Honestly, I'm pretty pissed off at both companies for covering all this up (if claims are accurate) and I bet their justification for it is "we're forecasting that these issues will be resolved by launch, so just chill".

What I'm really, really thankful for is that people are now starting to share their experiences with these broken ass consoles, and that this will increase in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully by then we can make informed decisions.
What cover up? The boxes will drop, and well see if they're broken or not.
 
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