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n64coder

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Can I simply be direct and politely ask her if she's seeing anyone? And that if she's not I'd like to take things further ahead with her? Or do I just automatically assume that since she did call me back she did so because she's interested? I'm terrible at playing the sign games mind you.

I would assume that she's not seeing anyone based on the fact that she contacted you. I never liked asking someone if they have a bf or not.

edit: forget it

Saw your post and then it was gone when I refreshed. I can only say to not get discouraged and to keep trying. You mentioned that you don't have any friends. I think if you can work to have some good friendships, it'll help you in developing relationships/friendships with women.

If she hasn't responded to your text, just don't take it personally and back off slightly. Wait for her to show some sign of interest before you initiate contact with her again. Good luck.
 
I wish I hadn't deleted it now.
I deleted it because I was afraid of being judged.

edit: I don't really want to make this about her because it isn't, but I think part of the reason she didn't respond is because I didn't either.
Either way, it shows disinterest. I just thought I'd say that.
 
Where do some of you meet these chicks? "All I can say about your message is gg :\"? Da fuq?

I think you can safely assume the relationship potential here is over. You can probably tell her, "That's cool; I'm fine being friends" (if you are). Now, if I was you, I would say that but I would wait for her to ask me to hang out first and, if she didn't, I'd assume she's not even interested in being friends and I'd forget about her. You might ask her to hang out first, but if she makes excuses or says no then, again, I'd assume she's not really even interested in being friends.

The only thing I can guess here is that maybe she got spooked that you were taking the relationship more seriously than her and wanted more than she did. I don't know. Hope everything works out, though.

We had an awesome "relation" as friends (even if none of us ever used that word lol)
All the sudden things changed. According to her, it was after a conversation we had were all things came to light that she decided to take some distance. That I guarantee you is not true, as after that day we became even closer than before. Things actually got better and better. She even told me that nothing was going to change and she would kill me if we don't see eachother ever again.

All this weird change of attitude started after some gaming event we assisted the first week of November (3 weeks after the day I mentioned above)
She got a bit mad at me that night for something really minor but we were able to figure it out and everything was fine. Next day, all went downhill as she just ignored me as she never did before.

I think we both took things differently and did not knew what to do. She wanted me really close to her, but not into a relationship. She always included me on her future plans even without me saying a word about it.
She had this awesome idea of getting a pair of Pac-Man shirts that when you put them together, they form a single image. God dammit, she even wanted to get matching tattoos for both because she had always wanted to do that.

We were having so much fun and suddenly she doesn't even want to talk with me.

Edit: Oh, about that gg thing. I had to fucking Google and ask some friends what the hell did that mean. The ":/" tells you a lot, but "GG"? What the hell is that.

Sounds like she doesn't want a relationship. If you're ok with being her friend (and seeing if that works out) then you should communicate that. I feel people think of the friend zone as being something incredibly negative. I've pursued girls that I ended up and still am, friends with today. If they don't feel the same way about you that you do to them then don't bother, and just take her as an awesome friend.

I was ok with us being just friends if eventually nothing happened, but the change of attitude kinda killed things for me. It seems she's not ok with me around her anymore. To be honest, I wasn't enjoying hanging out with her lately. It was a totally different person that didn't even wanted me to touch her arm with a freaking finger. Totally quiet, distant, cold.

GG is short for good game. In competitive games, it's used to congratulate the winning team on a good match. In contrary, it can also be used to show inferiority or just loss at something. It could be complete loss of hope for something, or just giving up entirely on something; stating it was a good run but its over, GG (good game).

Also, when used directly at someone, it can be construed as a negative or condescending remark. Like, let's say you're an indie developer. You release your game, but it's buggy as hell. I would say "I glitched out and fell through the floor on Lvl 1. GG Bennett Salander!"

Also, the fact that she added " :/ " at the end just adds to my theory that she changed her mind due to someone or something you or someone else did.

My theory, with the info you've provided? The tone of that sentence was of disappointment. Did you do something to upset her? Maybe you weren't sure if things were going to work out with her and maybe you started talking a little more liberally around other females and she noticed, taking it as a sign of disinterest? Perhaps she figured avoiding you before the inevitable happened was a good defense mechanism.

The change of mind is a little too sudden, and I feel we don't know all the necessary details. If I were you I would talk to her personally; read her body language. If she actually seems upset and you are POSITIVE you didn't do anything, then its possible she misread your behavior for something else (uninterest) and she's keeping a distance so you don't hurt her. I need more info though, the are just far too many variables at play.

She got upset last sunday after I asked her if everything was ok because she was acting really weird generally. Then, she said she was trying to "keep distance" or something because she didn't wanted me to take things wrong. That night, she completely dissappeared only to put a facebook status literally telling everyone to go fuck themselves or whatnot.

I don't know what info I can give you. There have been some minor discussions here and there be we have been able to work things out as best as possible.

Sorry about the long ass post, guys.
 
Ouch. You should probably move on for now.

That's what I was thinking.

However, we still got another month left in the semester so anything can happen. I think if I don't hear anything, maybe before the semester ends, I'll ask and see what happens. I'm positive once this semester ends, I won't see her again (I only have to take one more class and I'm pretty sure she isn't taking that class) so I'm going to have to do something or I'll kick myself for never making an attempt.
 
We had an awesome "relation" as friends (even if none of us ever used that word lol)
All the sudden things changed. According to her, it was after a conversation we had were all things came to light that she decided to take some distance. That I guarantee you is not true, as after that day we became even closer than before. Things actually got better and better. She even told me that nothing was going to change and she would kill me if we don't see eachother ever again.

All this weird change of attitude started after some gaming event we assisted the first week of November (3 weeks after the day I mentioned above)
She got a bit mad at me that night for something really minor but we were able to figure it out and everything was fine. Next day, all went downhill as she just ignored me as she never did before.

I think we both took things differently and did not knew what to do. She wanted me really close to her, but not into a relationship. She always included me on her future plans even without me saying a word about it.
She had this awesome idea of getting a pair of Pac-Man shirts that when you put them together, they form a single image. God dammit, she even wanted to get matching tattoos for both because she had always wanted to do that.

We were having so much fun and suddenly she doesn't even want to talk with me.

Edit: Oh, about that gg thing. I had to fucking Google and ask some friends what the hell did that mean. The ":/" tells you a lot, but "GG"? What the hell is that.



I was ok with us being just friends if eventually nothing happened, but the change of attitude kinda killed things for me. It seems she's not ok with me around her anymore. To be honest, I wasn't enjoying hanging out with her lately. It was a totally different person that didn't even wanted me to touch her arm with a freaking finger. Totally quiet, distant, cold.



She got upset last sunday after I asked her if everything was ok because she was acting really weird generally. Then, she said she was trying to "keep distance" or something because she didn't wanted me to take things wrong. That night, she completely dissappeared only to put a facebook status literally telling everyone to go fuck themselves or whatnot.

I don't know what info I can give you. There have been some minor discussions here and there be we have been able to work things out as best as possible.

Sorry about the long ass post, guys.

Aha!~

I knew there was something. Would you mind explaining what was this "small" thing that happened? Because clearly, something you did, which you thought was minor, upset her to the point she had to distance herself from you.

Also, wanting to have matching tattoos is a clear sign of interest. Hell, some 5-year relationships wouldn't even do that at their stage. Whatever you did dude, you done fucked up. Tell us what happened so we can better help.
 
Man. I hate the courtship process. I'm a damn good boyfriend and women seem to want to be around me. But actually getting into a relationship, it feels like winning the lottery.

Chances I'll be interested in a girl -
Chances she's interested in me -
Chances she's single -
Chances we even have an opportunity to get to know each other -
Chances we go through with it -

Once I'm there I'm golden. But actually finding someone feels like such a hopeless process. And I wish that wasn't the case.
 

Mory Dunz

Member
First time posting here:
I just kind of had a question, preferably for a woman to answer because I don't really understand. But anyone can help.

Since coming college a couple of years ago, this has happened a few times.

A girl will ask me (bolder for emphasis because usually this doesn't happen to me) for my number and then not text me. I'm kind of like...wtf? I wonder why they even asked.

A couple of situations were when she would give me her number and I would say, "send me a text so I can get yours" (this after she initiated the number exchange). And I won't get anything. So I didn't even get the message that would give me her number. So even if I wanted to text her or whatever, I don't have her number lol.

Personally, I've never seen something like this. It's so weird to me. Are they expecting something? Like for me to add then on Facebook before they text or something? (I don't have fbook nor do I really want it right now).
 

Denzar

Member
Man. I hate the courtship process. I'm a damn good boyfriend and women seem to want to be around me. But actually getting into a relationship, it feels like winning the lottery.

Chances I'll be interested in a girl -
Chances she's interested in me -
Chances she's single -
Chances we even have an opportunity to get to know each other -
Chances we go through with it -

Once I'm there I'm golden. But actually finding someone feels like such a hopeless process. And I wish that wasn't the case.

I recognise myself there.

Only, don't look for it... Makes things worse! Just enjoy yourself and it will happen.
 

strata8

Member
One of my co-workers is convinced that I'm just pretending that I don't have a girlfriend. I don't know whether to be flattered or not.

At the same time though it highlights the normalcy of it all, which is a little bit disheartening from my perspective. But I don't think worrying about that isn't going to help me.
 

nOoblet16

Member
I would assume that she's not seeing anyone based on the fact that she contacted you. I never liked asking someone if they have a bf or not.
I think so too, but I've had a situation in the past where the girl contacted me only because she wanted to hang out and nothing more. Slim chance but still.
 

n64coder

Member
Man. I hate the courtship process. I'm a damn good boyfriend and women seem to want to be around me. But actually getting into a relationship, it feels like winning the lottery.

Chances I'll be interested in a girl -
Chances she's interested in me -
Chances she's single -
Chances we even have an opportunity to get to know each other -
Chances we go through with it -

Once I'm there I'm golden. But actually finding someone feels like such a hopeless process. And I wish that wasn't the case.

This is why you have to increase your odds in order to hit success. I asked lots of women (~40+) on dates before I found the girl who became my wife. Keep at it and keep trying. I would use all avenues (blind dates, asking someone that I met, friends of friends, worked at the same company, group outings, etc). Most girls would go on at least one date. Over time, you get better at everything and hopefully you don't make the same mistakes that you did before. There were times that girls would show interest in me and I was oblivious or I did notice but I was too picky. The process can be tough for women as well. I have a cousin who is smart, pretty, works as a lawyer but hears the clock ticking (she's 35 and wants kids). You would think that she would be dating all the time but she's a bit of an introvert.

First time posting here:
I just kind of had a question, preferably for a woman to answer because I don't really understand. But anyone can help.

Since coming college a couple of years ago, this has happened a few times.

A girl will ask me (bolder for emphasis because usually this doesn't happen to me) for my number and then not text me. I'm kind of like...wtf? I wonder why they even asked.

A couple of situations were when she would give me her number and I would say, "send me a text so I can get yours" (this after she initiated the number exchange). And I won't get anything. So I didn't even get the message that would give me her number. So even if I wanted to text her or whatever, I don't have her number lol.

Personally, I've never seen something like this. It's so weird to me. Are they expecting something? Like for me to add then on Facebook before they text or something? (I don't have fbook nor do I really want it right now).

My guess is that they are trying to figure out a way to move on from you or the conversation in a nice way. Or they did have interest but then later changed their mind. I mean, even I did something similar. There was a father of one of my daughter's classmates and we found out that we went to the same college. We talked about getting together for drinks to watch one of the alma mater's football game so we exchanged email addresses. Well, I never bothered to follow through....just wasn't interested.

One of my co-workers is convinced that I'm just pretending that I don't have a girlfriend. I don't know whether to be flattered or not.

At the same time though it highlights the normalcy of it all, which is a little bit disheartening from my perspective. But I don't think worrying about that isn't going to help me.

Is the co-worker a she? Just tell her the truth that you don't have one and does she know of someone who you might want to meet? Who knows, she might suggest herself. If not, you could say, hmmm, what about you? Care to have coffee/drinks some night?
 

n64coder

Member
I think so too, but I've had a situation in the past where the girl contacted me on ly because she wanted to hang out and nothing more. Slim chance but still.

That's ok. Even if you do find out that she has a bf, you might get leads on someone that might be right for you. I find a lot of girls are into trying to find someone nice for their gf.
 
Aha!~

I knew there was something. Would you mind explaining what was this "small" thing that happened? Because clearly, something you did, which you thought was minor, upset her to the point she had to distance herself from you.

Also, wanting to have matching tattoos is a clear sign of interest. Hell, some 5-year relationships wouldn't even do that at their stage. Whatever you did dude, you done fucked up. Tell us what happened so we can better help.

That day on the gaming event I mentioned we both bought a PC copy of Diablo 3 because we wanted to play the entire campaign together on co-op. We started playing that night an she was upset because I wasn't playing some quest along her.

I didn't even mentioned before because I would never believe some "gaming incident" fucked up what we had. No fucking way.

Edit: Oh, the matching tattoos thing. I always wanted some Final Fantasy related ones on my wrists but I never cared. Now her idea was cool as crap so I would have accepted without a doubt. I remember her idea was something like this http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/0e/a3/1e/0ea31e5eb081300b23dad8f8d185e0a0.jpg
 
I still can't seem to shake B from my head. Even though its pretty obvious its over, I still keep hoping that she will come back. Its so strange for me to be this hung up on a girl. Even when my ex who I dated for 3 and a half years broke up with me I was able to start the moving on process sooner. I really should delete everything involving her from my life but I just can't seem to do it yet. How can I get so hung up over a girl Ive only known for four months when ive never been this bad before.
 

spuckthew

Member
Well, going out to dinner (plus piano bar afterwards) tonight with the girl I conveniently got back in contact with the morning after it ended with 'Amy'. I think she likes me actually because the last time I was speaking to her was the morning before bonfire night (UK), but I sort of lied to her about going with some mates because I was actually going out with Amy that evening. I think she wanted to meet up that evening because she was asking which event I was going to and how much the entry fee was. After a brief conversation she mentioned something about going to a different one with her friends and she wished I had a good night. Just over a week later I start talking to her again for no other reason than because I'm hurting and want to get my mind off Amy, but she accepts a date with me (she actually said she really wants to meet me and is saying I look cute) despite cutting contact with her for that time. She's not religious (huge bonus lol) but did/does psychology like Amy, and they seem similar in personality from texting. Maybe it's fate. Hopefully it goes well.
 
I wish I hadn't deleted it now.
I deleted it because I was afraid of being judged.

I read what you wrote before the edit, but I was going to meet up with some friends and didn't have the time to respond then. I think what may have happened with this girl is that she got confused about what you wanted, because she was expecting you take the initiative, but you didn't. I recognize the situation because that happened with me and at least two different girls back when I had no confidence regarding girls and thought I would never be able to get a girl to like me. After enough time passed the girl would be very awkward around me, and maybe we ended up as friends. Which I was totally fine with then, because I was so afraid of going out of my comfort zone at the time, that the thought that I had a chance with them terrified me, and just being friends seemed to be a better idea to me at the time.

My advice to you is, if you do get another chance to speak with this girl, to get both of you out of this awkward situation where none of you knows what any of you wants with the other by making your intentions clear, by asking her out on a date. Note: don't ask her to hang out, don't ask her to do homework with you. Use the word "date" or "take you out" to make your intentions absolutely clear. And don't just laze about in your apartment with her. You must give her a good time. Take her to a cozy coffee shop or a nice restaurant, go to a farmer's market or take her bowling. Just do something fun. So what if this is not what you usually do? You need to get out of your comfort zone and try new things. If you don't know any good restaurants et cetera., do research on the Internet with sites like Tripadvisor. If you go to a restaurant or coffee shop, try to build tension between yourself and her by letting your legs "accidentally" touch under the table. If you are walking together after the main activity, make sure to walk really close to her. I did this on the first date with the girl I have been seeing and it worked wonderfully to build tension. (But I'm pretty sure she helped in this regard, because I think she really knew what she was doing when we went on this date, and she initiated stuff like this just as much as I did.) I messed up on my first date by not going for a kiss (but made up for it with lots of kissing on the second) but I don't think you can afford to mess up like that, because you need to show her that you have stopped messing about and that you want to be with her, so definitely go for a kiss (or more).

You seem to be rather similar to where I used to be a couple of years ago, except for what you posted about not really wanting to be with a girl and not wanting to have sex. (If this is the reason you edited your post tell me, and I'll edit out this part.) I was the absolute opposite. Having meaningful relationships with girls and having sex are the things I most wanted out of life since I was eleven years old. Which makes my lack of success (until recently) since then all the more embarrassing and tragic. Are you sure that this is how you really feel, or are you convincing yourself to feel this way as a defence mechanism because of your prior lack of success? In certain periods when I had hit rock bottom, I almost convinced myself that I didn't need a girl, and that I would be happier without one anyway. But I was being dishonest with myself. On the other hand, asexuality and aromanticism do exist, and may be more common than we think. So if you really feel this way, don't force yourself into pursuing something you don't want. I think you really need to think about whether these thoughts you have are genuine or just a defence mechanism like it was for me.

I have been thinking about myself and why I have very suddenly started to see more interest from girls (more in the last three months than what I saw in total in the ten years before that) while there has been no readily apparent and visible sudden change in myself to explain such a sudden change. (The only tangible change I can think of is that I stopped wearing ugly worn-out trainers unless I was going to do exercise and got a nice pair of sneakers in stead. While that may have helped somewhat, I don't think it's nearly enough to explain such a large change.) The conclusion I have come to is that something inside me must have changed. I think before, when I still thought that I could never have a relationship and was too afraid to try, I was subconsciously sending out signals that I didn't want to get involved with girls that girls subconsciously picked up on, and in turn they wouldn't show any interest in me, because why bother? After slowly improving myself, making efforts to try new things and building confidence over the last couple of years (lurking the Dating-Age threads, all the way back to Combine's OG thread, likely helped with this) and a sudden moment of epiphany to kickstart the change (for me this moment was a trip I went to in August when two different attractive girls were flirting with me, which made me realize that my hard work had started to come to fruition) I started to more actively look for opportunities and situations where opportunities may arise, my subconscious stopped with the self-sabotage, and girls that would be interested stopped picking up signals saying "don't bother", and instead started to pick up the subconscious signals that I should be genetically programmed to send out, thanks to evolution and the biological imperative of reproduction: "I'm available, I'm interested and I'm awesome". I guess what I'm trying to say, since I have been in your situation (and still am to some degree, but I think I'm finally moving away from that), is: recognize what you want with yourself and with others, work on improving yourself and your confidence and recognize any subconscious self-sabotage and negative thought patterns. The rest should come eventually.

My final advice to you, for now at least, is that from your posts you seem to be a bit afraid of trying new things. But trying new things is what helps you grow as a person. The more experiences you have under your belt, the more confident, interesting and attractive you become. You should try and totally throw yourself out there. You have amazing opportunities as a student. Do a year or a semester of studies abroad (I wish I had done something like that as a student). This will force you to experience a new culture, try new things, meet new people and give you more interesting stories to tell. If you don't want to, or can't do this, do new things on a smaller scale. Join a club, pick up a new hobby, try out a new sport (I recommend trying to find a not very popular one that no one has heard of; that way, they will be happy for any new blood, and won't care too much if you suck) learn how to play an instrument, go on cooking classes or dancing classes. These are all things that are (hopefully) fun, force you to meet new people, force you to socialize, give you new experiences and make you a more interesting person.

That day on the gaming event I mentioned we both bought a PC copy of Diablo 3 because we wanted to play the entire campaign together on co-op. We started playing that night an she was upset because I wasn't playing some quest along her.

I didn't even mentioned before because I would never believe some "gaming incident" fucked up what we had. No fucking way.

I don't know man, no offence, but from your posts that girl sounds really immature and like a drama queen. I think you may be better off without her.
 

Mordeccai

Member
So I did some reflecting last night and I kind of wish I had tried to talk to other girls more often before finding this recent one. She had a lot of cool quirks and liked to do much the same things that I did, only I realize that I suck at communication and didn't give her much reason to respond to me after that first date.

First, I probably should have gone in for the kiss. She was giving me some pretty intense eyes while we were saying goodbye but I just hugged her instead.

Now, she did totally disappear off the face of the earth after that, so I don't think there's much I really could have done except re-do that first date. But every communication I sent her after that was just really lame. Reading through the texts is almost cringeworthy.

Just a little context, I told her I was going to be getting lunch around 11:45 on campus if she wanted to meet me. At about 2:00 that day she sends "Agh I'm sorry again! Things have been crazy with me recently. I got accepted to that Ethiopia study abroad program so it's like a whirlwind of stuff going on right now. I'm sorry I couldn't make it to Krishna."

My head was stuck so far up my own ass being butthurt that she didn't reply earlier that I waited a day to text back. Then, I didn't address her awesome study abroad trip, I didn't say anything flirty, I just sent back "Its cool, there's an abundance of people who also like to eat Krishna :p Congrats! That will be an adventure."

Fucking facepalm. If I were her and got that, even if my interest level was minimal, that'd kill it right away. Why would anyone want to speak with someone who just told them there are other people. Have yet to get a reply to that text, and don't think I will. And I'm pretty sure nothing I can send her is going to spark an interest again. I'm thinking of in a couple days sending something like "Is this the part of the movie where we both fade into obscurity and don't reconnect until one of us has a midlife crisis or develops cancer? Or do I get a chance to take a girl as pretty as yourself out again sometime."

Basically just lamenting the fact that I didn't talk to girls for almost three years, was rusty as hell, jumped back into the dating world, found a girl with interests very in line with my own and completely dropped the ball. Well, live and learn I guess.
 

Servbot24

Banned
I'm thinking of in a couple days sending something like "Is this the part of the movie where we both fade into obscurity and don't reconnect until one of us has a midlife crisis or develops cancer? Or do I get a chance to take a girl as pretty as yourself out again sometime."

To be honest that sounds more cringe-worthy than your previous text.
 

GK86

Homeland Security Fail
I'm thinking of in a couple days sending something like "Is this the part of the movie where we both fade into obscurity and don't reconnect until one of us has a midlife crisis or develops cancer? Or do I get a chance to take a girl as pretty as yourself out again sometime."

Please don't.
 

stn

Member
@Mordeccai

Dude, no. You will only make it worse. You want to avoid awkwardness whenever you can, its a guaranteed way to never see a girl again. Always hold your head up and bow out gracefully no matter what.
 
I don't know man, no offence, but from your posts that girl sounds really immature and like a drama queen. I think you may be better off without her.

Oh man, I can't say if it is or not. At this point I think things are more than over between us. She never confronts any sort of problem. She just ignores them and moves on like it never happened.

I'm thinking of in a couple days sending something like "Is this the part of the movie where we both fade into obscurity and don't reconnect until one of us has a midlife crisis or develops cancer? Or do I get a chance to take a girl as pretty as yourself out again sometime."

Don't even dare to do that.
 

Mordeccai

Member
Don't mind me guys, I'm just self imploding over here. At this point its like the sabotage is a defensive reflex.

That sounded way better in my head but writing it down, yeesh. I kind of feel bad for girls if this is the kind of shit they have to put up with.

This is all strange to me, because I'm not unsuccessful with girls, I just haven't tried anything romantic in a while. And I've even put on some muscle and lost the baby fat in my face since the last time I have tried. If I can talk to them in person, things go great. For what ever reason this girl has put me into a tailspin of awkwardness and horrible communication.
 

zeemumu

Member
I recognise myself there.

Only, don't look for it... Makes things worse! Just enjoy yourself and it will happen.

I think that's because finding something good that you weren't looking for is a gain no matter what, while every day that you don't have something that you ARE looking for feels like a loss.
 

Vibed

Member
Ugh, after 7 weeks of not seeing or even speaking to my ex, she ends up coming to my play (Rumors). We wanted to still be friends but I needed time, then she ends up there with her cast members, I finally get to see her and I realize my feelings are still pretty strong even after going after other girls. The worst part about it is I was so busy with our play I missed going to hers which I wanted to see! I feel like a bit of jerk for that.

It just feels a bit heart wrenching to know she's still the same wonderful person she was and that we'll never be back together. I suppose I can take solace in the fact that there was at least one obvious problem area, and that each subsequent girl I meet will likely not have that problem and be amazing in their own unique ways. They'll never be her, but they won't need to be.

On top of that, it's great to have a real support network. I believe I've found who my close friends actually are, it's very reassuring to say the least.
 

spuckthew

Member
Date with girl B went reasonably well. I feel kind of bad actually as part of me probably still feels a little sleazy for seeing another girl so quickly, and that meant I was more reserved than I'd usually be. She carried every topic of conversation. I brought up a few minor things and made some funny or interesting comments or observations to be a bit more myself, but it always came back to one thing: her job. She works in a psychiatric ward at a hospital and did psychology at uni (as well as a Masters), and it's just a field I find absolutely fascinating so was quite content listening to her. It doesn't help that my field (IT) is probably one of the most boring things in the universe to talk about outside of the job (if there's one thing I've learnt working in IT, it's that people in IT hate talking about IT), so once I got my bit over with the focus went back to her. She didn't seem to mind; if anything she found it nice that I didn't find her weird after hearing all the things she does and sees day-to-day. I made it clear that I enjoy listening to people talk and soaking in as much about them as possible, which I think she found quite endearing.

Anyway, she seems totally up for seeing me again and was constantly dropping hints through our conversations like "I'll show you 'x' sometime" or "we should do 'y'" and even "if you're lucky I'll cook for you one day". She also alluded to doing something during the day tomorrow, like going to the seaside or a zoo, and then asked what I had planned. I'll text her when I wake up with the usual "I had a great time last night" spiel, see what she's actually up to and then make a decision. If not tomorrow, I'm more than happy to see her next weekend and/or an evening in the week.
 
Looking for some opinions on where I need to be headed. (Apologies as this is a bit long.)

I'm 25 and have never been in a relationship. I'm overweight (5'11, ~200lbs). I have been going to the gym for the past 2.5 months with good consistency and have been running a bit here and there as well in an attempt to improve my appearance. I don't really have much self-confidence. That has not stopped me from asking out women, but I've never asked a girl out or for a number without some feeling that she is interested first (which some may say is only natural).

Where I live it seems like there are not many single women. I know that's not wholly true, but that's how it often feels. In reality I think a lot of it is cultural - people join groups of friends and cling to those groups, usually not venturing outside. I'm a part-time undergrad student, but I'm not really fitting in at all with the several-years-younger classmates. Most of them only see me for one class a semester. The on-campus activities just reinforce cliques that form in the classrooms. I don't really belong with them at all is what I've come to understand. The groups of people I'm friends with through work etc. are at a minimum of three years older than me...often a bit more. I already have a baby face. None of my friends are single - the one guy who was on occasion (who is 28 and British) would not stay single long.

I have no problem talking with women (maybe approaching...hmmm) but around here it seems most don't want to talk with me. I can only assume it's because I look young, am not in shape, and there are seemingly plenty of tall, fit stubble beard button-down-wearing motherfuckers who they actually pay attention to. The age thing seems to be a problem at the very least. The post-college but <27 age range seems to be almost non-existent here, and on OKC or PoF within 1.5 hours or so.

My first kiss (which is as far as I've gotten) happened with a friend out of the blue this past spring (nothing will ever come of it). Pretty much since I moved into the downtown area (where life is a little more "fun" or something) at the beginning of 2012 I've had my eyes open a lot more, looking for women. I've asked out seven girls (which is nothing I know) since summer of 2012 and all have been rejections. Just for a drink or coffee. Nothing crazy. They were all people I got to at least talk to a little through some luck or bizarre circumstance. (edit: Clarification - this usually meant our paths crossed for some reason, they looked available to talk, and we talked for a decent bit.)

So now the question of what to do. I figure I need to keep trying to better my appearance. I'll feel better and actually look better. I've realized, however, that trying to pursue various women has actually made me significantly less happy because it feels like a situation I have relatively little control over. On the other hand I feel rejected by people in my everyday life for being alone for so long and feel like something of a failure. My friend that made out with me did so when I wasn't even going after her because I figured we had both friendzoned each other (we'd known each other/been acquainted for five years). She also told me how great I am and that I should "be more confident in [myself]". Others, though, have said I don't appear to have any issues starting up conversations with strangers, including women. I really think lack of exposure is part of it. Online dating seems to be somewhat futile given the age issue. Do I just need to stop looking the way I have been, try and enjoy myself while being single, keep working out, become more comfortable with myself, and then just wait for opportunities to appear? A lot of people tell me you just have to be comfortable with yourself, be happy with what you're doing and you'll attract more people socially which naturally gives you more opportunities with women.
 
I think what happened with that girl is she got mad because she thought I was going to text her back.

Alls I said was "We're done ok" and I think she took that to mean "I'm going home"

Because what she said back was "We're not done yet, we're going to record our video".
Her text made me kind of mad because I felt like there was no effort on her part for meeting up. I thought she should at least tell me she'd text when they were done or ask what I was doing.

And on her part, I think she was expecting me to respond to her, but I never did. So she never said anything either.

Our professor uploaded test 2 grades and mine was not good. I might fail the class. So now instead of sexing her I'm more just wanting to have her as a homework partner.

So I texted her tonight and just said "you do that homework yet" like a caveman, and she just said "No". So I said "want to work tomorrow" and she said what she is doing and we made plans and now she is coming over to my place again.

It's just all so lame.
The Truth shall set me free.
 

Bossun

Member
GAF, I am sad..

I broke up with my girlfriend....and it was messy..

She was always mean and vexing when angry, usually I took it upon myself because I loved her very much, but this time it was the one time too much.

She told me something I didn't like and I snapped, I told her some truth about her, hurtful stuffs...I didn't want to, I'm not usually like that, I'm so mad at myself and so sad I want to cry. I could beat myself to death right now for what I did...

She got hurt, insulted me pretty hard and even directly defriended me on facebook..
I didn't want it to end like that, the prospect of not seeing her ever again is fearful...
 

CygnusXS

will gain confidence one day
GAF, I am sad..

I could beat myself to death right now for what I did...

Well, don't do that. Sounds like it was a toxic relationship, and you might be better off with someone else. Of course, that's just my impression based on this single post so I don't really know shit about you or your girlfriend. The best thing you can do is take some time away from her and get your head on straight, then see how you feel about her.
 

Minamu

Member
Rollercoaster weekend of nice thrills and depressing moments. Had a potential girlfriend down the line stay over friday night. But last night I ran into my ex at the club which kind of ruined my mood. It was one thing to see her in daylight for an instant when I had female company a few weeks ago. And something else entirely to be alone with her last night talking and dancing :( Pretty hilarious to see what kind of "upgrades" she went for after me though xD I bet she's really happy these days. Let's just say that with her being super brainy, I never took her for being into brawn.
 

Xun

Member
@Xun

Try this. Its what I like to do. Go to a club or bar and find a group with 2-3 girls. The more girls there are the easier it will be for you to communicate and for them to be at ease. Try this:

"Hey, sorry, are you girls from around here?"
*Answer
"I'm new to this area. What's the best place to find a good after-party?"
*Answer

At this point they will ask you where you're from if they're even slightly intrigued. If they ask a question, make some stuff up and run with it. If they give you details but don't ask questions, politely thank them and move on!

Once you're comfortable talking to small groups, lower the number of girls involved. Eventually you will get to 1. Also, drink a bit beforehand if you need to. Don't get drunk, just get mellow and relaxed.
I would've thought more girls would've been harder? For someone like me I'm not sure that would be the best method.

What you said would work for many though, and I appreciate your advice greatly. I've just sadly got very deep confidence issues in relation to this that even saying the first line would be difficult for me.

I need to get out of this mess, since it has been a burden to me for too long.
 

Minamu

Member
I would've thought more girls would've been harder? For someone like me I'm not sure that would be the best method.

What you said would work for many though, and I appreciate your advice greatly. I've just sadly got very deep confidence issues in relation to this that even saying the first line would be difficult for me.

I need to get out of this mess, since it has been a burden to me for too long.
Don't wait for it before trying yourself of course, but you, me and stn should totally hang out next year in London :D With some kind of housing help, I'd be more than willing to come by England for a weekend or more and hang out! It would be a blast! :D
 

Idde

Member
I would've thought more girls would've been harder? For someone like me I'm not sure that would be the best method.

What you said would work for many though, and I appreciate your advice greatly. I've just sadly got very deep confidence issues in relation to this that even saying the first line would be difficult for me.

I need to get out of this mess, since it has been a burden to me for too long.

Dude, I read your post a couple of pages back and I'm sorry to hear about your lack of progress. But can I ask what sort of different things you've tried to get better? I mean, for some people clubbing just isn't it. And to quote Vaas from FarCry3: "The definition of stupidity is doing the same fucking thing over and over and over again. And expecting things to change."He might have gotten it from Einstein. Minus the fucking part of course. I'm just saying, try different things then clubbing, if there is something like that in your town.

And if you have the means, go travelling by yourself. If only for just a week. I just finished touring the US, with the last week being on my own, and it's sooo easy to start talking to new people, asking them where they're from. It's really great practice, and it helped me a lot in opening conversations and increasing my confidence. So much that a week later I joined a friend of mine at an expat evening through her work, where people go to learn Dutch. Just walk up to people, look at their name tag, see what language they want to learn, and start talking. After half an hour a cute Phillipine girl asked me for my number (first time that ever happened)

Of course these were a perfect combination of events. And the travelling might have worked for me, but won't for you. But still. Perhaps clubbing just isn't for you. I know I hate it. Perhaps there are other venues for you to come to meet other people?
 

Best

Member
Hmm GAF, what should I do?

I met this girl two weeks ago on a Thursday and got her number, we went for a drink that Monday night. The date was alright enough for me to want to see her again. We didn't kiss but I never usually do on the first date unless I can't help it from happening. We did talk about doing something together the following week but it was a loose plan.

We text a little bit over the rest of week/weekend. I ask her on Sunday if she's up for heading out off campus together on Wednesday and she basically says "yeah but I'll let you know on wednesday because I might have other plans". Which is fair enough and she said the same thing for the first date and didnt flake.

Anyway we're texting Monday about random shit and she moans that none of her flatmates want to go out clubbing that night, they are so boring blah blah. So I just ask if she wants to do something that night, like a spontaneous date. She didn't reply...

After this I'm thinking fuck taking her out tonight (its now wednesday) so didn't bother texting her. She texts me about 10pm about some movie we talked about, We had a short convo with like 10 hours gaps between texts (usually we've been quite rapid).

Then she texts me Friday asking if I'm going clubbing tonight. I am, but not to the same place she is and I'm not changing plans so I just wish her a fun night. Then Saturday we text a bit about our Friday nights and what we're up to. We're back to texting pretty quick here.

Soooo whats the best way to ask this girl out this week? I'm thinking of just dropping her a text tomorrow morning saying "When can I take you out this week?' and seeing if she drops a firm date and then almost radio silence until then. What do you guys make of the not replying when I asked if she wanted to go out on that Tuesday?
 

Sailor

Member
Hmm GAF, what should I do?
Then she texts me Friday asking if I'm going clubbing tonight. I am, but not to the same place she is and I'm not changing plans so I just wish her a fun night. Then Saturday we text a bit about our Friday nights and what we're up to. We're back to texting pretty quick here.

If you really wanted to date her, why would you have a problem with changing your plans to see her? Seems like she gave you a chance to see her but you threw it away.
 

Best

Member
Well she already knew I was heading to a different club before she told me where she was going, so I'd look like a bitch if I suddenly ditched my friends to come to a club for a girl who'd ignored a text not 3 days ago. She's very attractive and I get the sense she's used to guys kissing her ass, which I'm not going to do.

And, I'd like to see her again to see if I actually like her as a person, which meeting in a club wouldn't do shit.
 
If "sacrifice" means dropping everything he is doing every time she has a casual whim that she MIGHT meet up with him, then that's lame, especially when she didn't even respond to him the previous time.
There is such a thing as self-respect.

Would you want to be with a person you could so easily control and tug around? I wouldn't. I want a person with their own life, which I think is what most people want, and which is what that guy is demonstrating.
 
Hmm GAF, what should I do?

I met this girl two weeks ago on a Thursday and got her number, we went for a drink that Monday night. The date was alright enough for me to want to see her again. We didn't kiss but I never usually do on the first date unless I can't help it from happening. We did talk about doing something together the following week but it was a loose plan.

We text a little bit over the rest of week/weekend. I ask her on Sunday if she's up for heading out off campus together on Wednesday and she basically says "yeah but I'll let you know on wednesday because I might have other plans". Which is fair enough and she said the same thing for the first date and didnt flake.

Anyway we're texting Monday about random shit and she moans that none of her flatmates want to go out clubbing that night, they are so boring blah blah. So I just ask if she wants to do something that night, like a spontaneous date. She didn't reply...

After this I'm thinking fuck taking her out tonight (its now wednesday) so didn't bother texting her. She texts me about 10pm about some movie we talked about, We had a short convo with like 10 hours gaps between texts (usually we've been quite rapid).

Then she texts me Friday asking if I'm going clubbing tonight. I am, but not to the same place she is and I'm not changing plans so I just wish her a fun night. Then Saturday we text a bit about our Friday nights and what we're up to. We're back to texting pretty quick here.

Soooo whats the best way to ask this girl out this week? I'm thinking of just dropping her a text tomorrow morning saying "When can I take you out this week?' and seeing if she drops a firm date and then almost radio silence until then. What do you guys make of the not replying when I asked if she wanted to go out on that Tuesday?

To respond to your original post, while I'm no expert, the best way to ask her would ideally be whenever you see her in person next.

Don't "drop a text". Texts are impersonal and lame. They're just letters on a little screen.
You are probably trying to be casual, but it seems like you text her all the time as it is, so one more text on the huge pile of texts from you just doesn't amount to much. The fact that she felt like she could ignore you the other day speaks volumes IMO.

It seems like you two are texting all the time. I would stop doing that.
 

stn

Member
@Best

99% of what I'm about to write is me guessing based on strictly my own experiences. I could be very wrong. So...

Why did she flake on Tuesday? She didn't want to go out that night, she doesn't want to date, she was/is seeing someone else, she was waiting to see if her other date plans would work out, and so forth. Or, she was literally just comfortable sitting at home. The fact that she didn't reply plainly says she wasn't interested. You shouldn't waste time speculating because it could be one of a million reasons. All that matters is that she didn't reply, not why she didn't reply. Save your mind the stress.

Also, some will disagree with me but you probably earned yourself some points by not switching your plans to see her. If you expressly told her you were going to another club, suddenly you look like a guy who's busy, has a life, and is out chasing other girls. Unfortunately, this tends to attract all the immature women who are more focused on mind games and egos than actual relationships. I don't know if this girl falls within that category.

What's the best way to move forward? The next text you send should be: "Join me this weekend for a drink." Don't give her options, don't ask. If she fails to reply or whatever, stop texting. But really, stop texting anyway. Also, you mentioned the first time that she said she might go out with you as long as she didn't have other plans. Er...I want you to read that in your mind and tell me what you think of it.

Let's pretend she likes you. She's not willing to make going out with you a top priority? It sounds to me like this girl is hanging around because she's bored or who knows what. Plus, if she's attractive like you said then she has options most likely.

My advice would be avoid texting her for a few days, chances are you've over-communicated with her. Once a few days have passed text her to join you for a drink over the weekend. Do not give her options to decide when it will be. If she dodges the request or simply fails to reply, just drop her and move on.
 

NeOak

Member
Chatting up 3 girls is easier than one that is alone because they are more comfortable and they think you will hit on their friend and not her so they are less on the defensive.

Now, a girl coming up to 3 guys, that's just a bit different lol.
 

Sailor

Member
Well she already knew I was heading to a different club before she told me where she was going, so I'd look like a bitch if I suddenly ditched my friends to come to a club for a girl who'd ignored a text not 3 days ago. She's very attractive and I get the sense she's used to guys kissing her ass, which I'm not going to do.

And, I'd like to see her again to see if I actually like her as a person, which meeting in a club wouldn't do shit.

If "sacrifice" means dropping everything he is doing every time she has a casual whim that she MIGHT meet up with him, then that's lame, especially when she didn't even respond to him the previous time.
There is such a thing as self-respect.

Would you want to be with a person you could so easily control and tug around? I wouldn't. I want a person with their own life, which I think is what most people want, and which is what that guy is demonstrating.

I see. When you put it that way I can understand your perspective on the issue. I'm inclined to agree in this case then.
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Good thing about this is looking back and realizing your mistakes and actually learning.

While I thought I was doing good over summer, I was a mess looking back. Fuck up with the girl I wanted by getting too emotion and attached too quickly, pressuring her.

It's funny how it takes a few months to realize that, but at the same time naturally adjusting yourself to make things more organic now. And watching the results pay off.
 

stn

Member
My large blurb up there was incorrectly pointed at Sailor, when I actually meant to reply to Best. Sorry, I confused the two names!

EDIT: @ Minamu - I see what you did there.
 

Oxn

Member
@Best

99% of what I'm about to write is me guessing based on strictly my own experiences. I could be very wrong. So...

Why did she flake on Tuesday? She didn't want to go out that night, she doesn't want to date, she was/is seeing someone else, she was waiting to see if her other date plans would work out, and so forth. Or, she was literally just comfortable sitting at home. The fact that she didn't reply plainly says she wasn't interested. You shouldn't waste time speculating because it could be one of a million reasons. All that matters is that she didn't reply, not why she didn't reply. Save your mind the stress.

Also, some will disagree with me but you probably earned yourself some points by not switching your plans to see her. If you expressly told her you were going to another club, suddenly you look like a guy who's busy, has a life, and is out chasing other girls. Unfortunately, this tends to attract all the immature women who are more focused on mind games and egos than actual relationships. I don't know if this girl falls within that category.

What's the best way to move forward? The next text you send should be: "Join me this weekend for a drink." Don't give her options, don't ask. If she fails to reply or whatever, stop texting. But really, stop texting anyway. Also, you mentioned the first time that she said she might go out with you as long as she didn't have other plans. Er...I want you to read that in your mind and tell me what you think of it.

Let's pretend she likes you. She's not willing to make going out with you a top priority? It sounds to me like this girl is hanging around because she's bored or who knows what. Plus, if she's attractive like you said then she has options most likely.

My advice would be avoid texting her for a few days, chances are you've over-communicated with her. Once a few days have passed text her to join you for a drink over the weekend. Do not give her options to decide when it will be. If she dodges the request or simply fails to reply, just drop her and move on.

This is good stuff right here
 
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