spyroflame0487
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To be fair, I don't think Nintendo and/or their fans are really going to miss EA.
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EA ignores Nintendo consoles and Sony/Nintendo handhelds in recent survey
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What does that make a hardcore gamer?
JordanN
Banned
There was a Sims game. They were also working on My Garden but it got cancelled.
They still write letters to Mean Machines SEGA and wonder why they don't get replies
I understand you're getting dogpiled on, but I would like to just show you that Nintendo produces a surprising breadth of franchises that both don't fit into your narrative and don't involve fantasy elves beating pigs/tradespeople throwing fire at turtles.
As for EA? It is a bit odd (Not so much considering it's a MoH survey), but aren't they still making Spore titles? Surely the companies involved (Sony/Nintendo) would be considered for at least that, right?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This shouldn't surprise anyone. It was clear that EA was canceling games well before launch and well before they knew how the console would perform. I don't believe for a second that there wasn't a huge blowup after that "unprecedented partnership" display at E3.
They are now fully appealing to the dude-bro crowd, so, that's why the survey is skewed. Also, those new-gen machines are completely suited towards the current EA modus operandi: games as "services", premium for everything beyond bland single player mode and tackled-on multiplayer.
Nintendo doesn't need EA in order to exist. EA needs companies like Nintendo in order to exist. It is cutting off your nose to spite your face essentially. Although this is looking past how non-Nintendo originated software sells poorly on the Nintendo consoles in general, thus driving people to the belief that many who pick up Nintendo hardware are very devote to Nintendo IP exclusively. Where that falls apart though, is a failure to acknowledge that those individual most likely own other platforms as well where EA software might exist. So, in poking the bear in trying to spite nintendo is only going to shun more individuals away from the products potentially. This coming from the "worst" company in the US 2 years running, arrives as no surprise though.
Chû Totoro;90604915 said:
Do you really think that if EA could make money on the Wii U that they wouldn't support it? Nintendo fans need to accept the fact that these companies aren't skipping the system because they "hate Nintendo" or want to see it die, their simply aren't selling and since it's not up to the standards of the new systems, that's more work that they would have to put in for something that won't come close to the sales they would get on other platforms.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's a great argument for now. The problem, though, is that EA was canceling development well before the system's release. They had no clue how it was going to perform, and many analysts were saying it would do really well.
Which analysts? I remember people being very skeptical when it was announced but I could be wrong.
The conquest mode made me think more about battlefield than COD.
SwiftDeath
Member
I love how facebook and browser gaming somehow takes precedent in EA's eyes over the 3DS and Vita
Richardbro
Neo Member
Haven't bought an EA game since NHL 09, so I guess you can say not a single fuck was given on this day.
Pancakes R Us
Member
Well, EA probably did the smart thing and ignored what videogames analysts were saying because we all know that they have a successful history in being completely off with their predictions. I'd worry for any publisher that's using these analyst predictions to decide whether or not to develop for a console.
Freezie KO
Banned
Third-party games are bombing hard on Wii U, including EA's own titles. Diversifying is a good strategy, but that doesn't mean a company should take every opportunity just because it exists.
oconnomiyaki
Member
Should be a question "Do you plan on buying EA games?"
I don't get it. Worst company in America twice, releases unfinished buggy shit, releases crappy half-assed reskins and then blames you for not buying them, microtransaction hell... We're always bemoaning the success, being told to avoid them, but suddenly it's a bad thing if their games aren't on a console?
Unless we're just being armchair analysts, in which case no one is going to buy a Wii U for FIFA anyway.
I don't get it. Worst company in America twice, releases unfinished buggy shit, releases crappy half-assed reskins and then blames you for not buying them, microtransaction hell... We're always bemoaning the success, being told to avoid them, but suddenly it's a bad thing if their games aren't on a console?
Unless we're just being armchair analysts, in which case no one is going to buy a Wii U for FIFA anyway.
Personally I'll miss the chance of a getting another Rogue Squadron game for a Nintendo platform.
I always hold out hope for decent Star Wars games...and with EA having the Star Wars rights it means it won't happen for at least another decade on a Nintendo platform. That's probably the biggest loss for me. Plus I was hoping someone would have made a Star Wars holographic chess game for the 3DS as well.
bengraven
Member
He looks like:
"Uh, hey guys. Anyone see my keys? I'm on my way to the Sony booth..."
Exactly, EA is aiming for the adult crowd that sees gaming as multiple services you pay $10 a month to be a part of (XBL, PS+, Music unlimited, Zune Pass, DLC Season Passes, etc. etc.) Children can go own their games elsewhere. Real Adults rent their licenses.
Chû Totoro
Member
Please read my posts... all of them. I won't bother answering again because for the last time : I'm not talking about EA / Wii U !!! I'm talking about a specific gaming demographic !!!! People who bought Wii, NDS or Vita (you can include Wii U but it's not the specific point). These people deserve some attention too, there is a market here. A whole casual market that made the big Wii success we all remember. But maybe EA think that only with mobile or browser gaming they can reach and satisfy them. They sure know how to please gamers, all of them... look at all the controversy thread they have in NeoGAF (NFS on PC just on the 1st page for example)
Edit : and to be clear I've said I won't buy their games because that won't be a big sacrifice for me and it's a way of showing that I don't like their policies regarding DRM, online, DLC, f2p, money hats for exclusive content etc. But I'm not important for them and I know that (and it's 100% normal). I'm not someone they could sell a lot of games or they should start making very different games. But people who bought Wii can become more broad gamers playing Fifa, Cod, NFS etc. These are games that can please a lot of people both gamers who are playing for years (who also enjoy these games) and last gen casuals. The smartest thing would be to make them play more and more different and complex games. But I must be part of the few in this thread who are trying to understand what was in their mind when doing this (and of course we know it's not trolling to Nintendo so... they must be stupid or don't care... kind of the same if you speak about business and market shares).
Spieler Eins
Member
lol, last EA game I bought was Dead Space used. Before that... Time Splitters 3?
I wanted to try the U version of NFS, but that shit seems seldom around here.
Bigger problem is now even smaller studios that were on the Wii also bailing out.
Chû Totoro;90629941 said:
EA have been pretty clear in showing that they don;t have the capability to make non-sports, non-'dudebro' style games. They tried with the DS and Wii, but were unable to make any software that the audience found compelling. It's entirely EA's own fault.
Boom Blox was good though.
Freezie KO
Banned
Henry Hatsworth was great. Love that game.
Chû Totoro
Member
Yeah you're right though. I haven't thought about this. It seems that both Nintendo and EA have the same problem then... why are they stupid to the point of failing a partnership that could help them both. This I really don't understand :/
EA probably think that what they could win by doing their best to reach Nintendo's audience is too small.
Like always this will be Nintendo games who are going to sell Nintendo systems... I'm ok with this because like I said I'm playing Nintendo games mostly. I'm playing games, I want a toy system. I'm adult enough the whole day... even GTA is not as fun as before for me (GTA V has the taste of the game of the forever but I played 10 hours and I'm bored...).
I'm repeating myself here and I don't have anything interesting to add so I'm going to play a little bit of Zelda on 3DS
Chû Totoro;90631403 said:Yeah you're right though. I haven't thought about this. It seems that both Nintendo and EA have the same problem then... why are they stupid to the point of failing a partnership that could help them both. This I really don't understand :/
EA probably think that what they could win by doing their best to reach Nintendo's audience is too small.
Like always this will be Nintendo games who are going to sell Nintendo systems... I'm ok with this because like I said I'm playing Nintendo games mostly. I'm playing games, I want a toy system. I'm adult enough the whole day... even GTA is not as fun as before for me (GTA V has the taste of the game of the forever but I played 10 hours and I'm bored...).
I'm repeating myself here and I don't have anything interesting to add so I'm going to play a little bit of Zelda on 3DS
They're pretty ill-suited for a partnerhip. Nintendo and Ubisoft is a much better fit. Ubisoft are able to appeal to the Nintendo crowd and the more EA style audience.
This :/
Thomas_Daly
Banned
that's fine ea I don't buy yout games anywho
you have a simpsons licence that you don't even use
you have a simpsons licence that you don't even use
kingkaiser
Member
Wow, thinking about it makes me realize that my last EA game was Mirror's Edge. That was like...FIVE years ago. Holy shit!
Captain Smoker
Member
EA can't make money with PS / Xbox either, considering their losses in the last few years.
They reached record revenues, but even higher expenses.
They made a Net Loss of 51.000.000 $ in the last two quarters again.
At least, it's less than last year in the same timeframe: 180.000.000 $
Robert J. Sullivan
Member
I see what you mean but I wouldn't have worded it that way, especially the buying every system part since this costs a lot of money.
I do believe though that people who actually like video games are interested in/try to play what's being made on every platform (minus genres that you dislike) and they sure as hell don't spend most of their time flinging shit at each other for console/pc wars on internet.
Well I did enjoy NfS MW on Wii U, so yeah; guess Criterion's enthousiasm won't return to the system. They're the only studio worth a damn after EA screwed the pooch with the Dead Space franchise. Sigh. Oh man, now I'm disappointed again about Dead Space being shit again.
Boo-urns.
Boo-urns.
Corronchilejano
Member
FTFY
Hey Toad,
I'm familiar with the titles you've listed. I won't comment on them in fear of getting dogpiled again for having an opinion, but I'll say that I don't consider their existence evidence that Nintendo features a significant array of games that appeal to adults or those with extended video game experience.
I don't have a narrative--only some honest observations:
- All I ever hear about from Nintendo is more Mario, more Zelda, more Smash Brothers, and more undeniably cutesy games like Pikmin. On the rare occasion that they advertise a remotely new title, it's either an uninspired grab (Zombie U) or an anime epitome of fun, where fun is the only thing that matters.
- When a good game does get released for a Nintendo console, it's hidden away in the darkest corners for as long as possible. Nintendo does its best to keep it in Japan and to never talk about it. Nintendo is so bad at recognizing games that may appeal to more experienced gamers that it takes movements, such as Operation Rainfall, to get things rolling.
- All of the gimmicks, like the wand and the 3-D and the screen controller, are lost on me. For whatever reason, Nintendo has made these convolutions essential, whereas other companies have not. This is problematic not only on a personal preference level, but on a physical level as well: older gamers, myself included, sometimes have physical ailments that conflict with this forced method of play.
- Nintendo's primary IPs have not undergone significant change or progress, which has resulted in the apathy of some, myself included. For others, this is cause for celebration--and that's called personal preference. For me, it's cause for disinterest. I play modern Nintendo games as a last priority, if I get to them at all, and when I do play them I typically find that I haven't missed anything--because little has changed. Some Nintendo fans dismiss the notion that Nintendo veers away from change, but when change is suggested they often go into a frenzy, desperate to preserve "tradition". At the end of the day, one can take a decade-long break from Nintendo without missing much.
In conclusion, I'll point out that EA's income is not reliant on their shovelware games. If it was, Nintendo would be on that survey.
Edit: Oh, and know that I and others are doubly biased: Games like Deus Ex: HR and Batman for the Wii U aren't on our radar for reasons that I hope are obvious. The result is a shrunken Nintendo library on our end, which adds to the problem.
Corronchilejano
Member
If you honestly think Zombie U is an uninspired grab, you've either never played it or survival games just aren't your thing. Nintendo makes a lot more games than "fun" games, but the problem is: They don't sell well. People aren't used to buying games from Nintendo that don't have "fun" written all over them.
Also, you talk like every Mario/Zelda/Metroid game is always the same, and that in no way corresponds to reality, unlike other franchises, that really have very small changes because everyone already likes the formula. Those have no real changes... ever.
Nintendo is pretty much blind on what games western audiences would like, but calling these prefered by "experienced" gamers is imprecise: Those games could be liked by anyone.
Also, most games on the Wii U can be played with the GamePad, whose extra screen usually has optional controls.
It's been a while since you played any Nintendo game apparently.
EA goes where the money goes, and they've seen the statistics and don't view the Wii U as a place they can make money off. There was another thread detailing the ammount of money they won from DS and Vita releases and it was quite surprising to look how much they made of Sony/Nintendos' platforms vs how much they made on mobile phones and tablets, being around 40 times more profitable to stick to the laters.
I don't fault them for doing business, but as game developers/publishers I stopped giving my money to EA a long time ago.
Our opinions/observations differ to a degree where I can't debate with you. I'll leave you to it.
First thing which came to mind.
Shalashaska161
Member
I can honestly understand why EA would avoid the WiiU and Vita, but publishing nothing on the 3ds is odd. That system is doing really well, you'd think there would at least put some shovelwear onto it.
Ducking out before the debate has even begun or perhaps before a counter point can be made? Why bother posting such ill-informed opinions if you won't even stick around to back them up?
Nightstick11
Banned
Again I wonder what ilk of people actually buy EA games. Who are these menacing faceless hordes that buy this arcade-soccer dudebro shooters shovelware by the truckload? The sooner EA goes bankrupt this generation, the better off we all will be.
Wickerbasket
Member
Battlefield 4 is amazing fun when it's not crashing.
I hear The Sims does pretty well too; my girlfriend seems to buy every expansion for that.
You can meet 20,000+ of them here: http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Battlefield 4
and here: www.twitch.tv/directory/game/FIFA 14
Ask them yourself.
nordique
Member
10/10