Why haven't the review sites picked up on this?
Joke post?
Why haven't the review sites picked up on this?
I changed your title, but I really notice this in DR3. Forza obviously not. I don't think it is "nightmare" but it is pretty bad if it has this awful sharpen filter forced on all non-1080p games.
Ryse looks relatively soft though.
So, please set me straight if I am misreading this but:
Does the Settings>Display&Sound>Picture adjustments do anything to help this.
The settings in particular are you can change the 24 bit per pixel color depth default to 36 bits and you can turn your TV color space from TV (rgb limited) to PC (rgb full).
I did also find it interesting that the console has a "Calibrate HDTV" setting which is...to be quite honest... very robust for a gaming console.
Obvious they picked up on the resolution stuff. I've not heard about the sharpening issue before.Joke post?
Why haven't the review sites picked up on this?
I noticed the exact same thing OP. Even the freaking menus for Ghosts made the problem blatantly obvious. Microsoft have got to fix this.
Obvious they picked up on the resolution stuff. I've not heard about the sharpening issue before.
I changed your title, but I really notice this in DR3. Forza obviously not. I don't think it is "nightmare" but it is pretty bad if it has this awful sharpen filter forced on all non-1080p games.
Ryse looks relatively soft though.
Obvious they picked up on the resolution stuff. I've not heard about the sharpening issue before.
I thought that this was game specific, not an inherent issue with the hardware. After all, when I use the scaling features on my gaming PC GPU, it does not add sharpening.It was there in DF's original botched BF4 comparison. That's why the PS4 version looked "softer" or "blurrier" to them....because they liked the sharpening filter.
Sharpening does not increase your ability to pick out text from a distance unless the text is blurred by default. In fact sharpening tends to make the edges of nearby letters smudge over eachother in some sort of odd pixelated pattern. The contrast tweaks could make letters more readable but it's nothing you couldn't achieve by tweaking your tv set, and it has the nasty side effect of destroying any intention by the developers to achieve a specific colour balance. If you really have issues reading text that don't stem from myopia you should visit an optometrist to get some contrast sensitivity testing done.
I wouldnt have thought so, its native so no need to scale, maybe the output on the console is set like this? but fifa didnt seem to suffer from it in the few games ive played so far.
I thought that this was game specific, not an inherent issue with the hardware. After all, when I use the scaling features on my gaming PC GPU, it does not add sharpening.
Isn't this already known way back from the reveal of BF4 on ps4 and xbone comparison?
Is sharpness bad?
The console's output is way to dark. My TV was setup just a few weeks ago with my work's color meter and everything is pretty much as good as it can be on a LCD/LED tv, but when going to the Xbox One video calibration I simply can't see any of the dark gray/black tests like I'm supposed to. I've had to use a new scene mode on my tv so that I could get acceptable results.
It's simpler with this:
If you look on the right of the image, there is an histogram of the black to white levels of the image.
The orange/brown borders are the safe zones for TVs (16-235). Nothing should ever be there in a normal output, but as you can see, there is content in there, meaning the video output isn't as it should be.
The console's output is way to dark. My TV was setup just a few weeks ago with my work's color meter and everything is pretty much as good as it can be on a LCD/LED tv, but when going to the Xbox One video calibration I simply can't see any of the dark gray/black tests like I'm supposed to. I've had to use a new scene mode on my tv so that I could get acceptable results.
It's simpler with this:
If you look on the right of the image, there is an histogram of the black to white levels of the image.
The orange/brown borders are the safe zones for TVs (16-235). Nothing should ever be there in a normal output, but as you can see, there is content in there, meaning the video output isn't as it should be.
Obvious they picked up on the resolution stuff. I've not heard about the sharpening issue before.
Is sharpness bad?
I have a sony w9 and a panny vt60 the tv isnt the issue in this case.
I thought that this was game specific, not an inherent issue with the hardware. After all, when I use the scaling features on my gaming PC GPU, it does not add sharpening.
Sharpness? No. Sharpness filters? Yes, at least when done to the extend we have seen in for example dead rising.
I have the sharpness on my asus monitor at 80 and do see pixels on lettering. Should I lower it? Would it negatively affect image quality?
Yes and none, it may look a little blurry to you for a tad if youve been using it so long like that but overall youll be getting a way more natural picture if you lower it so you dont get the ringing around the text.
The console's output is way to dark. My TV was setup just a few weeks ago with my work's color meter and everything is pretty much as good as it can be on a LCD/LED tv, but when going to the Xbox One video calibration I simply can't see any of the dark gray/black tests like I'm supposed to. I've had to use a new scene mode on my tv so that I could get acceptable results.
It's simpler with this:
If you look on the right of the image, there is an histogram of the black to white levels of the image.
The orange/brown borders are the safe zones for TVs (16-235). Nothing should ever be there in a normal output, but as you can see, there is content in there, meaning the video output isn't as it should be.
Wow, I noticed the colorspace issue too but I thought it was because I had it set to full instead of limited. But my PS4 is set to limited and it looks good...then again, I thought I could be one of those idiots that likes crushed blacks.
I always see horribly calibrated tv's when visiting people with sharpness way too high and too much color, creating a very unnatural image. And the worst thing is they think is impresses you and ask you what you think of their picture. They usually don't like my opinion. Maybe this is what people want. They prefer MC Donald's over a good meal, after all.But PC mag told us to buy a XBONE.
What would crushed blacks look like? I need some comparison and how could I fix it if I do have crushed blacks? I noticed on call of duty and battlefield it's kind of darker compared to my cousins monitor when playing simultaneously. We both have asus monitors but mine is a ISP panel and his TN.
This is in regards to ps4, not Xbox.
Something like that.
Sharpness settings on any TV should always, always be set to 0.
Sharpness settings on any TV should always, always be set to 0.
are you guys sure you have the correct color depth selected?
I few tv sets actually apply a blur filter when you set sharpness to 0, but yeah most of the time sharpness should be at 0.
Wow, ill start off by saying im a bit of an image quality nerd, i set up my tvs spot on i spend alot of time doing to until i get them right.
So having read about xboxone scaler and how it darkens and over sharpens things i was worried, i booted up cod ghosts on 360 and then booted it up on my xboxone. Same settings etc and there it was clear as day even in the lobby menu. Xboxone over sharpens things way too much, anyone who is into setting up there tvs will know what it is and it jumps out like a sore thumb, the worse thing is you cant negate it, turning down sharpness etc in your tv settings doesnt remove it. For those who dont know what to look for google it its like haloing around the text. The game is made to look nearly as bad as the 360 version as the upped textures etc are being over sharpened within an inch of there lives and it adds even more jaggies.
How ms thought this would be ok is beyond me, it also means people in the gaming press havent got a clue about things like this as no one mentioned it about cod, infact they couldnt tell the difference between native and this scailing mess.
Im a tad worried now going forward of non native titles on xboxone if they all have this effect its really going to bug me.
What about monitors?
Hmm...Will trySharpness settings on any TV should always, always be set to 0.
Just changed it, thanks. How do I fix the blacks? I have a post a little above this asking how to fix it.Zero as well. Sharpness adds significant ringing to text.