Except the DLC cars.
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Forza 5: The monetization is even worse than you think.
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Except the DLC cars.
goes without saying, I think. DLC is DLC.
Fixed it for you
Including Day one DLC cars on disc is nothing but pure greed, it's literally increasing the price of your $60 game to $70.
Fixed it for you
Including Day one DLC cars on disc is nothing but pure greed, it's literally increasing the price of your $60 game to $70.
Thank you, that's what I was implying
Camp Freddie
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Wow, MS have really shot themselves in the foot here.
Forza 5 was a major incentive for me to stick with MS over Sony.
Forza 4 was a brilliant game, and it had a brilliant balance of in-game money, auctions and 'free' unlocks. I didn't buy any car tokens, but they were reasonably priced and they didn't intrude on normal play (default prices were displayed as in-game money, with the token price shown relatively discreetly). I had a large garage unlocked, though probably less than a tenth of the total. It was perfect pacing.
I understand having some cars that are super expensive with real money, so as to have some cars remain exclusive.
The problem is that that's a bullshit excuse.
Removing the free cars is a terrible decision.
Removing upgrade discounts for brand affinity is stupid. That was one of the best inclusions in Forza 4. it meant you could really have fun trying out lots of different car configurations, without having to grind for cash.
Removing the ability to use any car in stock configuration in a "free race" is utterly abominable. It means that you can't even try-before-you-buy. Imagine the nerd-rage when you spend a tenner on a single car, only to find out that it isn't a car that you enjoy driving.
I think I'll stick to the 360 for another year or so. Maybe Forza 6 will remove the pay-to-play bullshit.
Or maybe I'll wait for GTA 7 or see what driveclub is about.
Forza 5 was a major incentive for me to stick with MS over Sony.
Forza 4 was a brilliant game, and it had a brilliant balance of in-game money, auctions and 'free' unlocks. I didn't buy any car tokens, but they were reasonably priced and they didn't intrude on normal play (default prices were displayed as in-game money, with the token price shown relatively discreetly). I had a large garage unlocked, though probably less than a tenth of the total. It was perfect pacing.
I understand having some cars that are super expensive with real money, so as to have some cars remain exclusive.
The problem is that that's a bullshit excuse.
Removing the free cars is a terrible decision.
Removing upgrade discounts for brand affinity is stupid. That was one of the best inclusions in Forza 4. it meant you could really have fun trying out lots of different car configurations, without having to grind for cash.
Removing the ability to use any car in stock configuration in a "free race" is utterly abominable. It means that you can't even try-before-you-buy. Imagine the nerd-rage when you spend a tenner on a single car, only to find out that it isn't a car that you enjoy driving.
I think I'll stick to the 360 for another year or so. Maybe Forza 6 will remove the pay-to-play bullshit.
Or maybe I'll wait for GTA 7 or see what driveclub is about.
I wouldn't hold my breath. It's optional, just don't buy stuff. The higher ups aren't going to push to remove anything that could make them money.
QuicheFontaine
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I posted this in that 'Francis' thread, but I think it's relevant here.
I still can't quite believe there are multiple $90 unlockable cars in a full retail price game.
I still can't quite believe there are multiple $90 unlockable cars in a full retail price game.
It's not optional. The game's progression is structured in a way to induce people to pay for tokens. That's the game you're going to play, whether you actually buy tokens or not: a mind game that barges in on players that wanted to race cars.
it is optional. I've played the game a lot and haven't paid for any tokens. it's your choice.
NullPointer
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Yes, but you're still pressured to buy more stuff, continuously.
Even the reviews that didn't talk about crazy token prices made mention of the persistent nagging.
You can also ignore a fly in your soup, but it still ruins things.
You didn't read what I wrote. It doesn't matter whether you actually pay for them once, many times or never.
I see no nagging. I see price in CR or TK, but that's it.
Platinum_D
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I think they are at their offices right now thinking of doing another 180 on this whole micro-transaction thing
I disagree, unless you have a different definition of "optional" than the rest of the world. I think the phrase you're looking for is "annoying" - if it bothers you.
Of course, if you're someone who must own and play with all cars in a game instantly, then yeah it's not "optional" for you - but that's like saying I shouldn't play Dark Souls because I'll never beat it.
So there is a version of Forza 5 you can buy whose design and progression isn't compromised by microtransactions? If not, it's not optional.
whatsinaname
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Don't you also get pre and post race prompts to spend tokens to boost XP?
I agree that they probably wont diasppear, but I really hope they adjust their pricing models.
I get that they want the top cars in the game hard to obtain so that they are more exclusive but surely it is going to keep the more casual player away from the franchise, as it seems to aim squarely at the Forza enthusiast, maybe this is their intention but carrying on in this direction will just turn the game into a niche product. Casual gamers will want a way of playing the top cars without spending extortionate about of money or time.
QuicheFontaine
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Yeah, it says "press Y to accelerate" or something. It means press Y to buy something with real money.
weekend_warrior
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10-15 hours from the beginning of the game maybe, but the grinding itself was probably closer to 2 hours. To unlock it you had to get golds in all the races, which was the hard part, the last race on Suzuka was a bitch. I remember grinding the 2 million for the F2007 one afternoon, before realizing I couldn't buy it because I hadn't beaten all the prerequisite races.
NullPointer
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When discussing the progression rate of this game as well as how it compares to Forza 4 people should keep in mind that Limited Edition owners get double the rate of reward, so their experience isn't representative of most players.
Admiral Woofington
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What happened to Forza? It used to be the little guy fighting against Gran Turismo domination, being able to churn out more games with over-all as high reviews.
Now this mental-state of charging me for breathing is making me once again look at the Japanese GT as a humble hardworker.
Now this mental-state of charging me for breathing is making me once again look at the Japanese GT as a humble hardworker.
Mt Heart Attack
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They felt the need to map that to a button, it's not even a menu option you have to move to and select. And the prompt appears twice in the menu. I mean, seriously?
Stuff like that really puts me off the game, I never experienced anything so blatant in a full price title yet thankfully, and I'll be sure to avoid that happening in the future too.
Just when I think it can't get any worse...
This is seriously out of control. I like to have consoles so that I don't miss out on exclusives, but I am so close to dumping this machine it's not even funny. I can't even imagine how disgusted I would be right now if their DRM was still in place. Oh wait, I would probably be better off because I would have upgraded my video card instead.
so how many button press to buy credits when you are in game? Just out of curiosity as that article from gamasutra said that ideally you want a single button press to buy stuff.
QuicheFontaine
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I don't know. I don't own the game and have no intention of buying it.
Maybe Chitown B or HokieJoe could answer that one?
Nastrodamous
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i am also thinking of returning mine because of forza 5 policies and i bought the limited edition.
You don't say!
NullPointer
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Thanks, added to OP.
That's a whole lot of words in that interview to say absolutely nothing new.
Yeah, well, that goal came through LOUD AND CLEAR.
All I take from this article is that their justification is that this is the most feature rich launch racer, and that comparisons to previous versions or to their contemporary competition aren't meaningful. While an interesting point to make, I don't know what that has to do with the crazy monetization in Forza 5. This reads like a classic "these aren't the droids you're looking for" moment.
So wait, now I can't experience all the cars in the game I bought without putting 454 hours in? Am I reading this right? If so, its understandable since they are pushing for buying XP boosts with $$$.
Truly pathetic, I feel like returning the game, its a shame since the core game is great
Truly pathetic, I feel like returning the game, its a shame since the core game is great
whatsinaname
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Feel "invested" in the cars. 10000 tokens invested.
man, thats... how crazy do you have to be to buy it for $90?
QuicheFontaine
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Yeah, it would have been nice if this had been mentioned in reviews of the game huh? :-/
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And LOL at that interview with the creative director.
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Lol, MS asked them to take that article down.
Right, they want them to feel connections with cars and then try to coax them into paying more money to have them after buying this game. Fuck off with that shit. This is transparent as hell and I truly feel for Forza Horizon 2 because of this crooked design. I love that game to death despite the tokens, but they have gone way too far on this one.
NullPointer
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Welp. Any chance that's a good thing?
Maybe the right hand and the left are finally talking to each other?
Did they ever fix the whole Limited Edition perk of 1,250 tokens to "buy any car in the game"?
What.
I think it was doing more harm than good to defend such a shit-fest. Just maybe (hopefully) they will make some 'alterations' to the game.
You already know.
V
Vilix
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What.
The hell? Those genitelia!!
Pristine_Condition
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It's nice for them to want things...my question would be why Shack News decided to do what they requested. Seems a little cozy to me.
JinjoUnchained
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Question for those hear who have played it. Is there anyway to tell if an online opponent bought a new car or earned it? I'm thinking that if they gave you a way to tell the difference and made different racing communities based off of that, then it would help fix the game balance.
SeventhSon
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Why is Garnett playing ball with MS?
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