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[Eurogamer] UK: One sold 170k in two weeks (20k in week two), Wii U around 150k LTD
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velvet_nitemare
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How about they sell the Hardware at cost to drive adoption and make the money back on software? They're all following a loss leader model this gen, but they become profitable once people buy games. That's the way it should be, these consoles are Trojan horses and the Apple model would def not work in this industry.
Then again the Wii was sold for a profit and that thing sold like hot cakes.
Miles Quaritch
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Not really. It's more expensive and coming off a period where it was surrounded by nothing but negative press that managed to cross into the mainstream.
With that in mind, 170k after 9 days is plenty good.
As for the 360 lead, don't forget it launched over a year in advance and had the price advantage compared to the PS3, not to mention a whole host of exclusive games at the time that helped to make the must have console over the PS3.
How well did the PSP fare long term in the UK?
Speedy Blue Dude
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Microsoft sold 170k in a week? Damn UK is going to be a battlefield for Sony and Microsoft, a 80,000 difference isn't too bad. Microsoft is going to have to go in HARD to try and win the UK again.
Nice, although the figure for PSP was 3 days sales, as it launched on a thursday.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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E3 is going to be exceptional. It will will be a knife fight in a closet.
Miles Quaritch
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Price drop or value adds or they face seeing the gap widen by March/April 2014.
sixteen-bit
Member
Wow @ those numbers. Sonyland once more?
Katana_Strikes
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Sony clearly has the upperhand and momentum going forward. They may have also won this battle but most certainly haven't won the war. But getting the consoles into as many people's hands as possible early, is only going to aid them later on. XBone will slow down quicker due to it's price too and once January rolls round it might not be great reading for them until there's a big marketing push again in March with Titanfall bundles (or possibly price cuts/Kinectless SKU if sales go worse than they were hoping).
The Bone number is still impressive, they nearly got the PSP record, with a expensive console, some bad press along the way and against a cheaper competitor that was coming a week later, id classify that as well done.
Yeah the PS4 did better, but consider the kind of articles we have been seeing about the UK market in the last 2-3 years, how it was dying, how people no longer gave a shit about console games and all the doom and gloom. And yet here are 2 consoles that have done amazing business in the span of a few weeks.
Id like to think that UK just moved on from these ancient ass consoles faster than the rest of continental Europe.
Microsoft obviously cannot even settle with keeping UK and NA markets, as that would still hinder them greatly in the ww picture, but to lose one or both of them is catastrophic. We will see how that whole thing develops, but right now, i just want to enjoy the great numbers for both involved.
Yeah the PS4 did better, but consider the kind of articles we have been seeing about the UK market in the last 2-3 years, how it was dying, how people no longer gave a shit about console games and all the doom and gloom. And yet here are 2 consoles that have done amazing business in the span of a few weeks.
Id like to think that UK just moved on from these ancient ass consoles faster than the rest of continental Europe.
Microsoft obviously cannot even settle with keeping UK and NA markets, as that would still hinder them greatly in the ww picture, but to lose one or both of them is catastrophic. We will see how that whole thing develops, but right now, i just want to enjoy the great numbers for both involved.
PSV - 45-61K
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, Titanfall could score 10s across the board, but the price is going to continue to be a huge factor.
MS could do something with value adds. Titanfall, free gold sub and perhaps one more free title (from the first party launch selection) for £429 could make it more attractive than £429 or £449 for just a Titanfall only bundle.
Microsoft need to get that TV stuff in order in other regions besides the U.S. Fair or not Its being judge on being more than just a gaming machine so all those 'other' features they promised need to be available in all regions. When its not it further adds to the notion Xbox is a the U.S console and PS is for the world.
UK appears to buy consoles as I do - main console purchase is for the one where multiplats play the best. So straight out of the gate MS is already in trouble. The UK software chart backs it up as well since multiplats are almost always dominating the top of the sales charts. 360 didn't clobber the PS3 in the UK because it came out first or was cheaper. It did so because it was the best console for multiplats. Xbox One being the weaker one for multiplats and also being more expensive is going to decide the fate of both consoles if MS doesn't do something drastic.
Miles Quaritch
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What? Of course that's the main reason. Well that and exclusive games.
Bioshock,Oblivion, Mass Effect, Gears all showed the capabilities of the 360 whereas the PS3 launch line up looked less than stellar in comparison.
Time for Nintendo to focus all of it's efforts on mobile and bow out gracefully from the high end console market.
They're obviously fighting on too many fronts here. The next DS should have an HDMI out so that it can connect to TVs and Nintendo can call it a day.
Or...
They can team up with Apple and put their content on Apple's iTV.
They're obviously fighting on too many fronts here. The next DS should have an HDMI out so that it can connect to TVs and Nintendo can call it a day.
Or...
They can team up with Apple and put their content on Apple's iTV.
It's not that tiny (about 1/5 of the US market), but more importantly, we get actual sales numbers on a regular basis, as opposed to the US market, where NPD only ever gives relative rankings (unless you're a super-secret insider). It's the same reason we all follow the Japan market so closely - we get actual weekly sales numbers there too (but they're not as interesting right now since neither the PS4 or Xbox One has been released there yet...)
LowEndTorque
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I remember when the WiiU was first announced, people were like "there's absolutely no way Microsoft and Sony will give up a year head start to Nintendo!"
lol.
lol.
By your logic the US is the only market that deserves attention.
Unless you mean Europe should be considered as a whole.
People really said that? Wow.
Juliet's 8½ Spirits
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Is the 20k in week two expected from a console launch? I'm really curious to see what Sony's week two numbers are now. Didn't the WiiU drop this quickly as well?
Oh I'm not surprised it's flopping, just how badly it's flopping in the UK relative to everywhere else and to last generation. It's flailing around the world but in the UK it just shot backwards off the line.
Please understand.
Why would they drop the price like that (and make a big loss into the bargain)? I have no interest in an XB1 and prefer the look of the PS4 offer but the XB1 launched fine in US/UK even if the PS4 launched better.
Unless MS panic down to some daft belief they'd sell more initially they should watch the initial sales before making any hasty moves.
The Wii U is going to be sacrificing a lot of marketshare Nintendo held with the Wii and I don't get why MS wouldn't be happy to be a solid second place behind Sony just as they were behind Nintendo last gen. Let's not forget the XB1 also overtook the Wii U in UK as well as the PS4 - the console's clearly far from doomed.
I could easily see both PS4 and XB1 selling well enough (PS4 looks set to sell more overall at this point I agree) with the Wii U being the real loser in terms of marketshare and unit volume sales.
toddhunter
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I can only hope this is in some part related to region locking and Nintendo learns a lesson from it.
I know many Americans don't get the issue with the practice, but people in PAL territories certainly should.
I know many Americans don't get the issue with the practice, but people in PAL territories certainly should.
Katana_Strikes
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Sony could have given the WiiU 2 years heads start and still outsold in 48hrs. Now that's funny/sad!
What do you mean? Low sales? No way region locking has an impact at all.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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These aren't bomba numbers but they better hope Titanfall delivers or else it may take awhile for them to compete.
toddhunter
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I know plenty of people who have not purchased one due to region locking, including myself.
So how widespread that is I have no idea, but it is certainly having some impact.
Katana_Strikes
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It's hard though too take much from launch weeks if supply is constrained. It does look like it's not too hard to find an XBone somewhere, though I'm sure it's not available everywhere and in any great numbers. Once they are both in full supply it will be a better indication of things. Both are mainly going to sell what they can get out there right now so I think saying 20k in week 2 isn't a good indication that XBone is failing.
It still would have sold decent at launch, perhaps not what it is now but it still would have sold. It's the new Xbox which is coming off a very successful 360 product. Very much like the PS2>PS3 situation.
It still would have sold decent at launch, perhaps not what it is now but it still would have sold. It's the new Xbox which is coming off a very successful 360 product. Very much like the PS2>PS3 situation.
It's a battleground market, and there just aren't that many of those.
TonkuySlon
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What a ridiculous post...so in day 3 when there is no more PS4 stock...what do you think will happen to this number? Come on man... Let me help you out...so in day 3 when there is lets say 5k moved because of stock...the daily total drops to 85k...you follow? Lets say in day 4 when there is another 10k moved (again because of stock)...that drops to 66k...you getting this?
Most people have said that XOne is supply constrained in the UK...
I wonder how Respawn feels right now. It can't be a good feeling when you are trying to build a new IP and it isn't going to be available on the best selling next gen platform.
The higher price point of XB1 is going to hurt the adoption of TitanFall as well. The money hat EA took only helps themselves.
toddhunter
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I don't think it is going to matter that much. Titanfall is multiplayer only, so unlike Mass Effect there is nothing to really miss out on for PS4 games coming later to the series.
They just need to get the game out and make it as good as they can. Then they can start working on Titanfall 2 which will probably be multiplatform, have a big single player campaign and they can then take full advantage of both consoles.
The only danger is another game coming along in the meantime and becoming "the one". You might think that is Destiny...but I don't know. I don't really see it.
Something like 22 million consoles were bought here last gen, not including handhelds, and I believe our total £ spend on gaming is high relative to our size.
Nexus Zero
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TonkuySlon
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Don't follow...
I just checked something, inspired from a post in the PS4 thread.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ps3-sales-down-82-per-cent
PS3 debut - 165,000
PS3 second week (-82%) - 29,700
PS3 LTD after two weeks - 194,700
Xbox One debut - 150,000
Xbox One second week (-87%) - 20,000
Xbox One LTD after two weeks - 170,000
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ps3-sales-down-82-per-cent
PS3 debut - 165,000
PS3 second week (-82%) - 29,700
PS3 LTD after two weeks - 194,700
Xbox One debut - 150,000
Xbox One second week (-87%) - 20,000
Xbox One LTD after two weeks - 170,000
EchoedTruth
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Hilarious, and true.
The link to the xkcd comic should have tipped you off that the poster was being facetious.
Don't really feel I can infer much from these early numbers expect that Sony made more units, I'm assuming they're both sold out pretty much everywhere. When they both have consistent availability, then it will be interesting to see what the relative demand is.
Despite the problems I have with the WiiU the only thing you can attribute such unbelievably terrible performance to is marketing. I can't believe how badly they've fucked it up, most people literally do not know it exists.
Despite the problems I have with the WiiU the only thing you can attribute such unbelievably terrible performance to is marketing. I can't believe how badly they've fucked it up, most people literally do not know it exists.
TonkuySlon
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I was so outraged by the initial numbers and commentary that I failed to see the link on my browser...I humbly extend my sincere apologies to the two gentlemen above...while downing a large plate of crow.
My BAD!
Carry on!