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[spectrumfox]

Store employees from Gamestop to Target say they are getting PS4 shipments 2 to 3 times per week, but they're gone within minutes. I'm not sure PS4 has a comparative lack of supply at the moment, just extremely strong demand.

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

 

[gcubed]

And you're basing this on what? Anecdotal information?

I'm basing it off of a company that constantly touts its sales milestones saying... nothing.

I mean, you think its leading worldwide so you're just in fantasy land

 

[Megatron]

For fellow new PS4 owners, several ps4 games are $48.99 at Amazon: Killzone, Assasin's Creed 4, Battlefield 4, Fifa 14...

 

[dolemite]

For fellow new PS4 owners, several ps4 games are $48.99 at Amazon: Killzone, Assasin's Creed 4, Battlefield 4, Fifa 14...

All bombas then?

 

[spectrumfox]

I'm basing it off of a company that constantly touts its sales milestones saying... nothing.

I mean, you think its leading worldwide so you're just in fantasy land

So your conclusion is based on a sheer lack of information, rather than actual information.

Just wanted to get that cleared up.

 

[Megatron]

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

Clearly Nintendo is the best of all of them at making systems since there are even more WiiU's available!

 

[Tsundere]

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

That's assuming the demand for Xbox One is anywhere near that of PS4.

For a lot of gamers, Xbox One isn't a substitute for PS4, especially at $500. Just because it's on the shelves doesn't mean it will sell (and in a lot of cases that's true).

 

[GhaleonEB]

And you're basing this on what? Anecdotal information?

Sony announced they sold 1m PS4's in North American in the first 24 hours on sale.

Microsoft announced they sold 1m Xbox One's across their 16 launch countries in the first 24 hours on sale.

Two weeks later Sony announces they sold 2.1m units globally.

Microsoft then announces how many zombies people have killed in Dead Rising 3.

There's a lot of writing between those lines.

 

[3rdamention]

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

Since when was a console able to meet demand within the first month or release? How do you know Microsoft is making Xbox Ones at a higher availability? They still aren't necessarily meeting demand, just like Sony. Just because many people are able to find Xbox One's on the shelf around the world right now, doesn't mean there is more production, there could be less demand in certain areas.

 

[gcubed]

So your conclusion is based on a sheer lack of information, rather than actual information.

Just wanted to get that cleared up.

and your basing your conclusion on?

Boxes sitting on shelves?

You're nuts.

 

[inner-G]

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

Then Ouya is the real winner here, I see them every time I go in the store.

 

[Y2Kev]

Since when was a console able to meet demand within the first month or release? How do you know Microsoft is making Xbox Ones at a higher availability? They still aren't necessarily meeting demand, just like Sony. Just because many people are able to find Xbox One's on the shelf around the world right now, doesn't mean there is more production, there could be less demand in certain areas.

PS3

haha.

 

[chubigans]

Also there was family of 5 in front of me, and the Best Buy guy refused to give them tickets. He said "I told you all the same thing last week, I don't know why you're here again. I know you're only going to scalp them." LOL. The family without a word got out of line and left.

Haha that was an awesome move by the BB guy. Good on him.

 

[spectrumfox]

That's assuming the demand for Xbox One is anywhere near that of PS4.

For a lot of gamers, Xbox One isn't a substitute for PS4, especially at $500. Just because it's on the shelves doesn't mean it will sell (and in a lot of cases that's true).

It's pretty clear that the demand for both consoles are relatively close, with PS4 being slightly in the lead, as most stores and online retailers like Amazon can't keep either of them in stock for very long.

Amazon in particular has had XO's for sale at random points throughout the last couple weeks, and they sell out within an hour. Which leads me to believe Microsoft is replenishing their stock a lot more actively than Sony is replenishing theirs.

 

[Megatron]

So your conclusion is based on a sheer lack of information, rather than actual information.

Just wanted to get that cleared up.

Actual information? Well the PS4 sold 1 million systems just in the US in it's launch a week before XB1. Microsoft then sold 'over 1 million systems' combined, everywhere it launched. Seems pretty reasonable to conclude from that that Sony is already doing better in the US, and then all the anecdotal stories of XB1s sitting on shelves and PS4's flying off them seem to support this idea.

 

[Tsundere]

It's pretty clear that the demand for both consoles are relatively close, with PS4 being slightly in the lead, as most stores and online retailers like Amazon can't keep either of them in stock for very long.

Amazon in particular has had XO's for sale at random points throughout the last couple weeks, and they sell out within an hour. Which leads me to believe Microsoft is replenishing their stock a lot more actively than Sony is replenishing theirs.

You keep asking for proof and factual information, and then you pull this line out of your ass...

 

[gcubed]

You keep asking for proof and factual information, and then you pull this line out of your ass...

no no no, the demand is crazy high for the xbox, they just shipped millions of them so that you can buy them in stores when you want! The WiiU has sold billions, you can get them anywhere!

 

[spectrumfox]

Actual information? Well the PS4 sold 1 million systems just in the US in it's launch a week before XB1. Microsoft then sold 'over 1 million systems' combined, everywhere it launched. Seems pretty reasonable to conclude from that that Sony is already doing better in the US, and then all the anecdotal stories of XB1s sitting on shelves and PS4's flying off them seem to support this idea.

Anecdotal information doesn't support anything, that's why its called anecdotal.

 

[SeanR1221]

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

That's assuming someone who wants a PS4 is fine just grabbing an xbox instead.

 

[GhaleonEB]

It's pretty clear that the demand for both consoles are relatively close, with PS4 being slightly in the lead, as most stores and online retailers like Amazon can't keep either of them in stock for very long.

Amazon in particular has had XO's for sale at random points throughout the last couple weeks, and they sell out within an hour. Which leads me to believe Microsoft is replenishing their stock a lot more actively than Sony is replenishing theirs.

So your conclusion is based on a sheer lack of information, rather than actual information.

Just wanted to get that cleared up.

?

 

[Uno Venova]

It's pretty clear that the demand for both consoles are relatively close, with PS4 being slightly in the lead, as most stores and online retailers like Amazon can't keep either of them in stock for very long.

Amazon in particular has had XO's for sale at random points throughout the last couple weeks, and they sell out within an hour. Which leads me to believe Microsoft is replenishing their stock a lot more actively than Sony is replenishing theirs.

I see you are also basing your conclusions off of no actual information.

 

[Sons Of Anarchy]

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

So your conclusion is based on a sheer lack of information, rather than actual information.

Just wanted to get that cleared up.

It's pretty clear that the demand for both consoles are relatively close, with PS4 being slightly in the lead, as most stores and online retailers like Amazon can't keep either of them in stock for very long.

Amazon in particular has had XO's for sale at random points throughout the last couple weeks, and they sell out within an hour. Which leads me to believe Microsoft is replenishing their stock a lot more actively than Sony is replenishing theirs.

Anecdotal information doesn't support anything, that's why its called anecdotal.

Since you ignored this post read it again

Sony announced they sold 1m PS4's in North American in the first 24 hours on sale.

Microsoft announced they sold 1m Xbox One's across their 16 launch countries in the first 24 hours on sale.

Two weeks later Sony announces they sold 2.1m units globally.

Microsoft then announces how many zombies people have killed in Dead Rising 3.

There's a lot of writing between those lines.

 

[Slashlen]

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

The availability is higher because the demand is lower.

 

[InSpectre]

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

I'm not sure Microsoft is shipping more consoles according to employee reports is what I meant to say. I guess it's still to early to tell for certain.

 

[spectrumfox]

The availability is higher because the demand is lower.

Ah right. It couldn't be that Microsoft is better at replenishing their stock.

Naw, couldn't be that.

 

[PhatSaqs]

I wouldn't bet on this, especially since Microsoft is better at keeping XO's in stock than Sony is keeping PS4's in stock. There might be more demand for PS4's, but that's not going to do Sony much good if they can't keep a stable supply.

Not sure why you wouldn't. Even if the PS4 and X1 are even in the US, worldwide is pretty much Sony land and demand is definitely higher for the PS4 everywhere right now.

 

[CMojicaAce]

Also there was family of 5 in front of me, and the Best Buy guy refused to give them tickets. He said "I told you all the same thing last week, I don't know why you're here again. I know you're only going to scalp them." LOL. The family without a word got out of line and left.

My hero!

 

[chubigans]

Sony announced they sold 1m PS4's in North American in the first 24 hours on sale.

Microsoft announced they sold 1m Xbox One's across their 16 launch countries in the first 24 hours on sale.

Two weeks later Sony announces they sold 2.1m units globally.

Microsoft then announces how many zombies people have killed in Dead Rising 3.

There's a lot of writing between those lines.

Get ready for a lot of "Xbox Family" sales rhetoric these next few NPDs.

 

[3rdamention]

That's my point. PS4 has strong demand, but if Sony can't produce enough consoles to meet demand, that's not going to do them any good.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher. That's going to do them wonders going into the holiday season.

So your conclusion is based on a sheer lack of information, rather than actual information.

Just wanted to get that cleared up.

Ok, you are doing this exact same thing as the users you are trying to call out, and it's kinda funny. You are basing your quotes on what? You asked someone else that said Sony had more sells in North America, and you wondered how they knew that. How do you know that Microsoft is making the Xbox One availability higher than Sony? It could be there is less demand for the Xbox One. Who knows? You don't, I don't. You are basing your opinion that Microsoft is "clearly making more XO's as their availability is higher." That is based on a sheer lack of information, rather than actual information. If you say "Well, there are more on store shelves" then you really have no proof that this is because of an increase in production instead of a lack of interest.


Also, since when was a console maker able to meet demand within the first month of release? You are saying that since Sony isn't able to meet demand, it's not doing them any good. So the Xbox One IS able to meet demand? Based on what? The fact you can find them sitting on shelves in different places around the world?


You cannot question one person's "guess" or "prediction" then throw out your own as if it is fact, when it is also just a guess or prediction.

 

[Izayoi]

So your conclusion is based on a sheer lack of information, rather than actual information.

Just wanted to get that cleared up.

Sometimes silence speaks louder than words.

You know this.

 

[SeanR1221]

Ah right. It couldn't be that Microsoft is better at replenishing their stock.

Naw, couldn't be that.

The Wii U defense.

 

[spectrumfox]

The Wii U defense.

I'd believe that if Amazon would ever sell out of Wii U consoles.

 

[chubigans]

Amazon in particular has had XO's for sale at random points throughout the last couple weeks, and they sell out within an hour.

The last time XB1 was on Amazon it sold out in eight hours. And then was relisted the next day.

 

[Megatron]

Anecdotal information doesn't support anything, that's why its called anecdotal.

It does, actually. This time last year, the WiiU was actually selling well, and was supposedly selling out. Yet everywhere I went, I found WiiU's. Within a few months after the initial launch enthusiasm was over, we saw the pathetic story. So based on anecdotal evidence that I and other gaffers saw, I was able to accurately predict that the WiiU wasn't doing as well as it was being made out to be, and same thing seems to be happening now.

There's a fine line between 'waiting for all the information to come in' and denial.

 

[spectrumfox]

The last time XB1 was on Amazon it sold out in eight hours. And then was relisted the next day.

According to NeoGAF, it sold out a lot quicker than 8 hours. And then was relisted because they received more stock. And again, it sold out.

 

[Slashlen]

I'd believe that if Amazon would ever sell out of Wii U consoles.

Demand for the Wii U is MUCH higher than the Xbox. Nintendo just has better supply.

 

[spectrumfox]

It does, actually. This time last year, the WiiU was actually selling well, and was supposedly selling out. Yet everywhere I went, I found WiiU's. Within a few months after the initial launch enthusiasm was over, we saw the pathetic story. So based on anecdotal evidence that I and other gaffers saw, I was able to accurately predict that the WiiU wasn't doing as well as it was being made out to be, and same thing seems to be happening now.

There's a fine line between 'waiting for all the information to come in' and denial.

I guess I'm just the kind of person who prefers actual stats over a guessing game.

 

[3rdamention]

So your conclusion is based on a sheer lack of information, rather than actual information.

Just wanted to get that cleared up.

?

SpectrumFox is working hard in this thread. He wants evidence from other people posting things, but he is posting that Microsoft is making XO's at a higher availability to consumers and that demand for both systems is equal, even though he has no evidence to support his claims as well.

Its hypocritical, but funny to read.

 

[SeanR1221]

I'd believe that if Amazon would ever sell out of Wii U consoles.

I'm talking about the defense from last year.

Demand for the Wii U is MUCH higher than the Xbox. Nintendo just has better supply.

Lol nice.

 

[Tsundere]

I guess I'm just the kind of person who prefers actual stats over a guessing game.

So... show us those statistics.

 

[Mrbob]

I guess I'm just the kind of person who prefers actual stats over a guessing game.

Clearly.

 

[Izayoi]

I guess I'm just the kind of person who prefers actual stats over a guessing game.

Well that's pretty unfortunate, because right now all we can do is extrapolate. Until NPD (and maybe even after, depending on how guarded Microsoft is about their numbers), we won't have any hard data.

 

[gcubed]

I guess I'm just the kind of person who prefers actual stats over a guessing game.

didn't we get them from Sony and MS?

If MS doesn't come out and post their numbers on NPD you can still play your "we don't know the numbers" game further.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Bro went to trade in some games at bb and he said he saw people walking out with both consoles. Guess they just replenished b&m stock

 

[FiggyCal]

It does, actually. This time last year, the WiiU was actually selling well, and was supposedly selling out. Yet everywhere I went, I found WiiU's. Within a few months after the initial launch enthusiasm was over, we saw the pathetic story. So based on anecdotal evidence that I and other gaffers saw, I was able to accurately predict that the WiiU wasn't doing as well as it was being made out to be, and same thing seems to be happening now.

There's a fine line between 'waiting for all the information to come in' and denial.

At what point does anecdotal evidence become a small sample? It's easy to say PS4's are all sold out at X store - but if everyone is saying it on gaf - it is still anecdotal?

 

[spectrumfox]

SpectrumFox is working hard in this thread. He wants evidence from other people posting things, but he is posting that Microsoft is making XO's at a higher availability to consumers and that demand for both systems is equal, even though he has no evidence to support his claims as well.

Its hypocritical, but funny to read.

That's the point.

There's nothing wrong with presenting an opposing side of a story to get people thinking.

 

[3rdamention]

I guess I'm just the kind of person who prefers actual stats over a guessing game.

So give us the stats to prove your claims that Microsoft is making XO's available at a higher rate than Sony AND give us stats to prove your claims that demand for both systems are equal?


You want "actual stats" but you are playing the guessing game more than anyone else. Hilarious.

 

[Megatron]

I'd believe that if Amazon would ever sell out of Wii U consoles.

Amazon has sold every WiiU they've ever had in stock.

 

[gcubed]

Bro went to trade in some games at bb and he said he saw people walking out with both consoles. Guess they just replenished b&m stock

thats the entire premise of this thread

 

[spectrumfox]

So... show us those statistics.

That's my point, there aren't any. I guess I was being too vague in my comparisons.