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Vita PSN Game & Service Thread | December 2013 |
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16 bit video games should never be more than $5. We shouldn't tolerate this.... I will be waiting for it to hit PS Plus
JakkuFurosu
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Sorry dude.
Im not buying a 2 year old port that was delayed for vita till after they made a toaster version.The pc version also has full 1.2 while vita dont. Ive bought 4 packs to give out and trade for around same price. Even if they gave somesorta crossbuy deal...not even full crossbuy id be in but this just full fuckery. I got ps3 and pc versions to hold me for now.
I usually never wait for PS+ but most certainly am for this.
Speaking of PS+ I refused to buy into the Soul Sacrifice hype but god damn i almost missed this. They certainly got a day 1 delta purchase from me now.
oh if anyyou got extra Iron Pinwheels (L) sendem to me.
kthx
matthewwhatever
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Is Ys Seven any good. I am thinking of buying it. I have this urge of playing an action rpg but I don't really i guess understand/like turn based rpgs.I want to play Persona 4 Golden but the thought of turn based scares me off.
Ys Seven isn't turn-based. You can change your character as you go along, and you have to manage your party (if feel like it), but otherwise it's a pretty straightforward (and awesome!) action game. And I say that as someone who generally dislikes RPGs for the exact same reason.
I remember that trading is limited to bronze/brown-border offerings and below.
Good thing none of those are 16 bit then
JakkuFurosu
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It is but i need 3 more!
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
What the hell man, do you have to be so rude in responding?
Terraria's price is something that many in this thread find unfortunate, and instead of addressing their (and my) concerns in a reasonable way you decided to shout petulantly like a child? Great, that makes me doesn't want to hear you even more then.
I apologize if this sounds harsh, but gosh the way you responded annoy me.
I disagree wholeheartedly with that. A game price shouldn't be dictated by the quality of its graphics/its art style. It suggests that games with certain art styles are inferior to others.
Edit: I see we're on the topic of Terraria's pricing. I agree $14.99 is pretty steep for a late port. They should have at least offered a deeper Plus discount than $1.50...
You must not play a lot of action games. Or not care about precision when you do.
Yes the game is unique -- I love the concept for it. It's meant to be a unique mix of boss rush, musou, and action game, IMO, and it has some great ideas. This is why I would buy it on PC, if the PC port could support running at a constant framerate, preferrably 60fps.
For the record, I've beaten the PS3 version, which I bought before it came to PS+ and was disappointed with it's technical performance. I bought the Vita version, which I also completed, because a couple of my Vitabros claimed it performed as well as, if not better than, the PS3 version (it does not.) At best, the Vita version is the same, but most of the time it's kind of worse. The main character is always floating; and at times, it does help to disguise a little bit of the performance problems because there's very little animation to how the character moves (due to the floating). However, this cannot hide the slowdown that occurs as soon as the enemies fill up the screen and stuff starts happening. The game is probably about 30fps in the hub world. The combos are pretty responsive, especially when you start doing switch combos and ones that incorporate button delay. Double (and multiple once unlocked) jumping also appears fluid. And then you load up a stage and start taking on enemies. Suddenly you get dropped inputs if you press them too quickly and have to adapt your timing, which is not acceptable for a game in this genre.
I'm not mad at my Vitabros for leading me astray -- they just weren't as in tune with it as I was... but almost every single one that had recommended it as performing better than the PS3 version and having a constant framerate most of the time, ended up agreeing with me that there's a significant performance drop when you load up a stage and actually start playing.
The game has technical problems. Period.
And it's a damn shame that they released the Vita version with them -- that was the one aspect I was willing to pay for an improvement in.
Don't get me wrong, the extra content is nice. It looks nice and plays well on Vita, IF (and that's a BIG if) you can deal with the horrible base framerate and slowdown issues.
To me, it's not worth $15... that's for sure. I'd have rather gotten it free on plus so I didn't feel like I got ripped off. And if someone wants a 3D action game on Vita and forces me to recommend something, I'll tell them to play NGS+ before I recommend Malicious Rebirth. That game is deeper in terms of combat, longer in terms of playtime, and technically runs at a more constant framerate (although it's half the original
As far as it deserving the same treatment as Chronovolt, no. Not at all.
If Malicious. ran at a constant 30fps with no drops, I'd give it at least an 8. In it's current form, it's like a 5. Chronovolt would be lucky to get a 2 from me. What a terrible game that was.
This is great news. Believe it or not, I was actually worried about how your experience with Nippon-Yasan would turn out because it was me who started you down that path, I believe.
Enjoy the extra space!
They're not so great with emails, that was one of the few negatives I had regarding them. Once I got worried enough about where my package was and why tracking hadn't updated in so long and called them (I needed to get the Airbill # for the item so that US Customs could tell me what happened), they were unbelievably nice and helpful. I was particularly impressed that the same employee answered the phone both times (my first call was disconnected), he remembered me, and had already found my package and updated me on it immediately. My 2nd call cost me $.02 I think. :lol
I play a lot of action games(im not gonna fall for a list war) , i know is not as "fast" as a lot of other games , im pretty sure is not supposed to be that fast. Technical performance issues , yes , but is yet is not a big problem in this game for me. The game plays wells and looks gorgeous.
I think you overreact a little to much about the frame rate , Malicious is not as bad as Jak n Daxter (wich is enjoyable as well even with the frame drops) or Epic Mickey.
Is not a 60fps game but i feel it doesnt need the 60fps . It could be an improvement. but taking into account how small Alvion is , and the titles they have released in the past, they have clearly evolved. Malicious is great game. So great that you finish the entire game before you realize you dont like it... weird uh?
Edit: i saw a post where you say Ninga Gaiden Sigma plus is horrible and etc, now i know that you actually need those 60fps to exist in these games. Games i can see that run at 30fps but still excellent games are NGS+, NGS+2, Malicious R, Wipeout 2048 and they all play excellent in terms of fun, remember , this is a portable device , it could be done better , but actually there doesnt exist any portable game like these ones in another device. They are playable , they are fun , they recommendable so theres that.
Well there is one thing i agree with you Muramasa is an excellent game and IMO it is 10 times better than the wii version , i have played both. (cannot wait for the DLC xD)
Hear that MM?
Next time, add an empty room that only lets you out after 90 hours of in-game playtime.
Worth it. Sad that people care more about playtime than the actual enjoyment something provides. *sigh*
Hyperbole aside, they could have easily arbitrarily lengthened the game and made it a worse game. Would it really be worth it? No.
Personally, I think that install base has a lot to do with vita's pricing.
I don't hold it against a developer for delaying games until they're finished and I can't blame them for pricing a game differently on a platform where they know its numbers are going to be less when compared to others.
Also, there seems to be a train of thought that sometimes pulls into this station which indicates that the instant game collection is somehow at odds with developer's bottom lines. I've read a few time on here (sorry, no quotes) that the instant game collection hurts vita game sales because people wait for titles to become "free" on the IGC... 1 thought on this and then a question:
You can bet your ass that developers/publishers/whatever are being subsidised for their cooperation with ps+; if they thought it was hurting sales, they wouldn't participate.
Now the question: Do games downloaded in the IGC count as "sales"?
If they don't, should they? They've been downloaded by a consumer with a service they've paid for (a la Netflix) and the companies responsible for the game have been paid by Sony.
I don't hold it against a developer for delaying games until they're finished and I can't blame them for pricing a game differently on a platform where they know its numbers are going to be less when compared to others.
Also, there seems to be a train of thought that sometimes pulls into this station which indicates that the instant game collection is somehow at odds with developer's bottom lines. I've read a few time on here (sorry, no quotes) that the instant game collection hurts vita game sales because people wait for titles to become "free" on the IGC... 1 thought on this and then a question:
You can bet your ass that developers/publishers/whatever are being subsidised for their cooperation with ps+; if they thought it was hurting sales, they wouldn't participate.
Now the question: Do games downloaded in the IGC count as "sales"?
If they don't, should they? They've been downloaded by a consumer with a service they've paid for (a la Netflix) and the companies responsible for the game have been paid by Sony.
opticalmace
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I'm about an hour into Chrono Cross. Love it, and the colours look fantastic on the OLED screen. The battle system is a nice change from FF, particularly the lack of random battles!
If you buy the game or not is your decision but at least be reasonable with how you look at the price. When a game is old on a platform, it will get sales. If it is ported and and just released new on another platform, it can't be offered at such a low price right away because of the porting costs.
It's not like I am happy that I have to pay more but I can understand the reason behind the pricing. This isn't a Angry Birds case at all.
Sorry, but "priced ridiculous bonkers compared to other platforms" is just a ridiculous bonkers hyperbole which happens to nearly every port we are getting and I am tired of hearing it. Is Terraria overpriced at 15 bucks compared to 10 bucks on Steam? Yes, it is. Ridiculous bonkers? Only to sale prices, which aren't the norm.
It's not like all the developers think the Vita userbase is so starved for new games they can price everything as high as they want. They actually have to cover the porting costs.
If that annoys you so much, feel free to ignore me.
Mammoth Jones
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I care about getting what I paid for and having a ton of fun doing it. Not investing 40$ in a game that lasts 5 hours. It's entirely possible to add meaningful content to a game and not just a freemium type of grind or arbitrary time sinks. You act as if it's one or the other: "Fun vs Length - FIGHT!"
THIS! i mean , there is a lot of guys here that complains comparing console versions vs Vita but later on they ended up worshiping pixelated open world indie and overpriced games...
I wonder what will happen if we compare 3ds ports vs original console versions of those games...I mean , i have seen people saying MGS 3DS is a way better game and option than HD collections on Vita.
Wow so defensive. Some people have limited funds and can't justify buying short games when those very games may have to fill a significant amount of game time. At least he bought it.
I don't think so. I got limbo on the ps3 IGC and it just showed up on my vita when it was released!
hmm I probably missed the PS3 IGC...
and they have since removed the Cross Buy functionality... hope I'm wrong though
Mammoth Jones
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It not even limited funds, it's just I'm cognizant of what my money goes into. I ask myself: What does 40$ get me. Some games on steam. Something on PS4. Some apps on iOS/Mac Store. Other Vita games. There are a ton of options out there. It's not just SNES and Gameboy for a gamers needs anymore.
I have no doubt that Tearaway will be a cool game but 5 hours for 40$ isn't justifiable for me.
As far as Terraria being overpriced? LMAO. I have held off on buying it since I knew it was coming to the vita and that's the type of game I'd like to play on my handheld. I don't mind the price point at all.
It looks great on the vita, by the way.
It's about 2 hours long so unless you really want to replay a bunch of times I doubt you'll need both
had to go to 2 Gamestops to find a copy of Tearaway this morning. first one tried to sell me an opened "new" copy, so i declined.
my first physical Vita game! how cute are those little game cases? didnt realize how small they are.
only got to play for 15 minutes so far, but i love it already. the whole papercraft thing is extremely charming. the customization and the camera seem like they are going to be a lot of fun. great characters and voice acting so far too.
walking over a paper path and flattening out that little crkinkle, and having it pop back up again... that detail really stood out.
glad i took gafs advice on this one.
my first physical Vita game! how cute are those little game cases? didnt realize how small they are.
only got to play for 15 minutes so far, but i love it already. the whole papercraft thing is extremely charming. the customization and the camera seem like they are going to be a lot of fun. great characters and voice acting so far too.
walking over a paper path and flattening out that little crkinkle, and having it pop back up again... that detail really stood out.
glad i took gafs advice on this one.
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Guess who's curlin' up in bed to play Persona?
Me.
Me.
And my cat.
Final Fantasy X|X-2 on Vita is 6.7GB.
VITA IS TWO YEARS OLD WHY IS THE LIMIT STILL 4GB
You'll find out later today.
VITA IS TWO YEARS OLD WHY IS THE LIMIT STILL 4GB
You'll find out later today.
CertifiedFP
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Purrsona?
JakkuFurosu
Member
The problem with Terarria is quite different then most the steam sales comparisons is relative to the other stuff available.
Rainbow moon 23.99 cross bundle
Stick it the man 12.99 crossbuy
Spelunky 7.50 crossbuy
Urban trial 19.99 crossbuy
Hotline Miami 9.99 crossbuy
Divekick 9.99 crossbuy
Knytt 9.99 crossbuy
Terraria 14.99
Really? You wanna push the crossplay feature and bang us on both ends....forget that.
At the end of the day it probably is worth the 15$ bucks to ppl that never played. Most have payed though, on multiple systems. The people that wanted this alot, that wants to take advantage of the crossplay is feeling a little taken advantage of.
Ive had money in my wallet just for this since the ps3 version dropped but cant swallow that price.
Ill just add another 20 beans and get tearaway right after the holidays
What are the individual sizes?
If it's about 3GB each, there is no way I can play X-2 from the physical copy. :\ Patches for LBP Vita alone take up tons of space on my 4GB memory card. D:<
Im anxious!
I guess the FF X and X2 HD news are bittersweet(at least for me) becouse there will be a physical copy of the game with a voucher to download the other game but i would prefer 2 little ps vita cards(big sized games on psv cards thats better for me). as each game is about 3 gigabites.Anyways price is very good for both games 39,99 , dunno about retail price. Wich one you guys are getting?
I played enough of Terraria on the PC to know that I liked that game but didn't play enough to do anything meaningful in that particular version (never beat any bosses, incomplete hell elevator.)
They priced this game because of suckers like me who want to buy it regardless of how inappropriate the price maybe. I'm sure it will be more reasonable as time passes by.
They priced this game because of suckers like me who want to buy it regardless of how inappropriate the price maybe. I'm sure it will be more reasonable as time passes by.
Doesn't the 3DS have 8gb game carts? And I believe the exact size is around 3.3 gb btw.
Terraria also won't being getting the extra features as well.
noonespecial
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Ah, I see that Spelunky claims yet more victims, err, players.
Just keep plowing through it - eventually you'll get the hang of it. Even I did after >100 deaths...
Purrfect.
this!
there's so many games on Vita I would have bought if they price it more rationally... especially when the said game has been on so many other systems
Conscience Falls
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Have a long trip coming up soon and I'm debating the purchase of Persona 3: Portable. Only problem with it is the lack of cutscenes, does this hurt the story at all? I loved my time with Golden last Christmas, and cannot see myself ever playing through the game on console.
Honestly the presentation of that game does hurt the story sections.
If you've never played P3 before it's a good way to do it though. Just not the best way.
Persona 4G is like seeing your favorite tv series , only the chapters are like 10 hours long. IT is a game that you , you and you, all of you MUST have(we need to reach the 1 Million buyers!). Not only is one of the best Vita games , is one of the best jrpgs in history , and no , not an a hyperbole. IS a refreshing look of what a good jrpg has to do to be really good. IS really good and the extra content is a lot of content. Im 50 hours in the game right now , didnt finish it yet. I dont care about how the end is , becouse so far the game is worth more than U$40 for me and the price keeps rising as i advance. I cannot explain how this game hits in different sports of my mind and soul, seems that is reading me in parts, there is a part of any living person represented in those characters.I dont know and i cannot understand how much work it took those guys to set that world. Even Fishing is good! Simply amazing.
corrosivefrost
Member
That's not the point. Even if you don't factor in the Steam sale pricing, which is sometimes matched on PSN or other platforms, there's still a "Vita Tax" or "Console Tax" and it's ridiculous.
It's $10 MSRP on PC. It's $5 MSPR on phones. "Console tax" puts it 50% higher than all that at $15. Sure, it's not Vita only, but Vita is the LAST port to show up as well. It's just not smart pricing... it might not be Angry Birds, but it's not doing itself any favors. Especially when you have developers who don't have their heads up their asses like the Runner 2 guys.
SCEE PS+ only.
(1) LBP patches aren't *that* big... the entire install size of the game digitally is < 1.4gb. The game itself is 1.1gb. Which means the patches are around 300mb total.
(2) Sounds like someone needs a bigger memory card.
I was with you until you said the fishing is good.
(1) LBP patches aren't *that* big... the entire install size of the game digitally is < 1.4gb. The game itself is 1.1gb. Which means the patches are around 300mb total.
(2) Sounds like someone needs a bigger memory card.
LBP Vita is almost 400MB for me. And it'll only grow bigger. Plus with Killzone (thank god they released the patch that made the patch smaller!). Plus Rayman Legends' patch was almost 400MB... how those levels could be so large, when the game itself is only 1GB is beyond me. :\ DoA5+ has a 100MB patch... plus other games, mostly retail thankfully. Only keep 1 or 2 digital games. Plus apps.
I refuse to buy a new memory card until they're reasonably priced.... in other words, I'll never have one. ;_;
corrosivefrost
Member
Funny, I saw 2x and 4x your memory cards going for $10 and $20 in deal threads in the last 24 hours. I dunno, 16gb for $20 seems pretty decent to me?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Alright, I hate it when people think ill of me so first I apologize if I sounded harsh. Ignoring someone is not something I do as well.
First of all, you're taking the term ridiculous bonkers wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously. Lighten up a bit. I wasn't really thinking about it much, more like just a passing thought, and the way you responded to me really surprised me with all the scathing seriousness and all that.
Second of all, surely you can't deny that there have been numerous people here that agreed with my assessment that the price is just too much? The point is, numerous other platforms offer the same--even more, as I understand it in the PC--content at a much, much lower prices, so why is the Vita is singled out in this instance? The same with Limbo when it's first out in the Vita.
I can understand if its a new game or if the game offers substantial new content, but as it is, it is basically the same game that I can buy with just 3.75 on my PS3, correct? So why is it offered at 13.75 price point on the Vita? I can hardly believe "porting cost" justify such a large difference, but I guess this is something neither you or I can actually confirm either way.
Whether you like it or not, it is a legitimate issue not just for me, but some many others in here (and elsewhere too, I imagine) are considering.
Anyways, Terraria Vita in all probability is something that I will get in the end anyways. Folks in Vita can play with folks in PS3 right? Because I worry that the multiplayer will be sparse if it's Vita to Vita only.
GloriousBagel
Banned
Yikes, so much negative vibes going around all of a sudden.
well I'm playing Rainbow Moon on my Vita and I'm having a blast
well I'm playing Rainbow Moon on my Vita and I'm having a blast
Going to wait and see around the time of release in the west that there will be a another Asian release in english and physical FFX-2.
You can actually still order at that price if someone doesn't mind the wait for them stock it again
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006JKASAC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
HueyFreeman
Banned
I just finished Tearaway - it is definitely not gonna be only 5 hours for the average player. It felt meaty and subtantive to me, while not outstaying it's welcome. As for the grander debate, you're definitely entitled to your perspective for sure, but we just have different definitions of value. Tearaway exemplifies it, in that every moment is worthwhile.
Don forget Unit 13 , a good shooter , looks good, plays good , and if you buy the retail version it comes with a voucher for the digital version of the game(its not an online pass). So after that you can sell the code or the physical game and stay with the other.
That Dragon Ball game doesnt look bad at all for me, im gonna buy retail EU version althou im in NA account.
I need more racing games on Vita( a Gran Turismo Portable 2 with career mode will do) , PSP was great for that , the catalogue of racing games on PSP is big enough and good enough to dig, shame that not even 10% of that catalogue is available on the Vita store .
That Dragon Ball game doesnt look bad at all for me, im gonna buy retail EU version althou im in NA account.
I need more racing games on Vita( a Gran Turismo Portable 2 with career mode will do) , PSP was great for that , the catalogue of racing games on PSP is big enough and good enough to dig, shame that not even 10% of that catalogue is available on the Vita store .
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