Glass Rebel
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Why? Most of the stuff is pretty harmless.
In fact, I can't think of a single "bad" sexual joke.
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Bravely Default censored for western release
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Why? Most of the stuff is pretty harmless.
In fact, I can't think of a single "bad" sexual joke.
Orniletter
Banned
The thing is that the old man , even in the "censored" european version, is clearly Muten Roshi-esque.
There are STILL sexual references in the game, it just appears to be a bit more subtile.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Because I'm against censorship, this is one of the few times I'll let it slip because I want the game so much, I've already not bought games in the past over censorship.
I don't think anyone caught that Ringabel outfit doesn't even exist domestically?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=95686417&postcount=3711
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=95686417&postcount=3711
Vire
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I have very little issue with fantastical designs that include armor platings or chain mail. I'm not asking for realism.
From a previously posted picture in this thread:
I do however have a problem with 15 year olds wearing thongs into battle. I'm not sure where you are getting confused with the distinction between the two.
Personally I like the new art better. The old one looks really terrible on the characters. I have nothing against sexuality in game design, but that is just beyond ridiculous. At that point, why even have the clothes? There is a certain point where it's just bad. Although I don't think that they should be forced to change the art just because people think it looks bad (although it's their decision, and from a business perspective it makes sense to listen to consumers).
That said, it's also the job of the localization team to make it better suited for the specific audience. That's just smart business, and has nothing to do with censorship. I can't really weigh in on the debate about it sexualizing underage children. Because I don't view these characters as such (from the concept art, they look like adults, although the chibi art style looks creepy I guess).
EDIT: I guess they censored some of the sexual jokes or content in the dialogue? Guess I should have read it fully before commentating. I don't think I'm equipped to debate this subject. SO I'll bow out.
That said, it's also the job of the localization team to make it better suited for the specific audience. That's just smart business, and has nothing to do with censorship. I can't really weigh in on the debate about it sexualizing underage children. Because I don't view these characters as such (from the concept art, they look like adults, although the chibi art style looks creepy I guess).
EDIT: I guess they censored some of the sexual jokes or content in the dialogue? Guess I should have read it fully before commentating. I don't think I'm equipped to debate this subject. SO I'll bow out.
timetokill
Banned
It seems like a lot of spoony bards in this thread are crying censorship because they don't know what localization is.
H_Prestige
Banned
Technically it's not censorship. The same company that is selling the game is the one that is making these changes.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
It is censorship, we are not getting the same product. It's fine when it's localization(kinda like the AA games for example) but the costumes part is BS. I've heard it doesn't even matter gameplay wise so I'm fine with it, but it still isn't something I'm okay with.
I guess you shouldn't buy very many English versions of games, anime, etc. because the act of localization is in of itself (sometimes) a form of censorship/non-censorship modification.
Your loss.
This censorship doesn't seem like a big deal. It isn't like they removed game content like missions or anything.
Love it when people bring up this argument. Violence in games is often justified. Dressing up, again, what looks like 8 year old girls in fetish gear? Nope.
"Hey look, you can kill humans!" isn't exactly a promotional tool for games, yet sadly, especially in Japan "Hey look, there are pre-pubescent girls in revealing outfits!" is. There's a reason it's so prevalent in niche games. It's to ensure it sells, at the very least, to the creeper otakus.
Night_Trekker
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Ridiculous.
This. The art style and other deliberate choices made by the artists are disgusting, and this game has a T rating. I wouldn't gift this to my teenage cousin. Might as well say High School of the Dead should replace all their characters with babies and air it on Cartoon Network after Adventure Time.
Couldn't you also turn that argument upside down? If they hadn't censored the outfits we probably would have seen one or two "pre-order canceled" posts as well.
I thought they all were really bad and awkward. I'd rather not have another joke about women in revealing clothing, they're never funny.
You're complaining about women wearing miniskirts into battle like that's some thing exclusive to Japanese developers. You said this looks closer to something like Lightning returns than archetypal FF based on the art you've seen when the screens I've posted have a few of those archetypes you posted chibi'ed down for this game. If your impression of this game is that the art is similar to Lightning Returns, then you just haven't seen very much of the game.
Is it really hard to understand that some things need to be censored? Not everything needs to be in it's original form, especially not what looks to be fucking 8 years olds in underwear. Just because it's acceptable in Japan doesn't mean it's acceptable here. And like I said earlier, 99% of the localized games you've played have been changed somewhat from the original script to better for the local audience, you just don't notice it till someone points it out.
SA Louisgod
Banned
Got it, so you're okay with any an all instances of games and media that portray models of literal children in skimpy outfits with the intent of sexualizing that underage image. That is what you're saying when you blanket state you're against censorship.
It's censorship. What's being censored isn't getting some people annoyed, the idea that its being censored at all is the point, especially for something so minor. I don't like when anything gets censored in a game personally, whether its violence, something sexual, anything although I'm aware that it can't be helped at times and I accept that. I'm still buying the game and I will more than likely still enjoy it but its not that hard to understand why people don't like this.
And so what if they look like children, they aren't real. Maybe you need to ask yourself, "why does skimpy clothes over fictional characters that look like little girls with big ass heads enrage me so much?".
Also, it would be nice if the word pedo and pervert stop getting thrown around so carelessly in this thread. It's insulting.
I think the idea is that it is the Vampire job, and so they'd look Succubus like? If you can only see the artbook and concepts, you'd know that Yoshida actually went deeper down the rabbit hole.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I knew someone would say this, I'm fine with localization in some ways(like the Ace Attorney games as I've stated above) and I'm not going to make a fuse over the age thing, but the costume part is just stupid.
censorship is censorship, I don't really care what they change. The changes are so minimal in this case that I'll let it slip, but most of the time I'd just not buy the game.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I wanna hear some examples.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
"Hey look, you can kill humans" isn't a selling point??
Mortal Kombat and Fatalities.
GTA and killing hookers.
These were huge selling points.
thiscoldblack
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I like both versions of the outfits, but I hate pushed censorship/modification. Why don't give us a choice in the options menu?
jim-jam bongs
Member
Self censorship is different from real censorship. This actually is more akin to localisation, as in changing aspects of a game which work well in one market but not another. I get the "all censorship is bad, live free or die MERICA" argument, but it doesn't really apply here at all.
SA Louisgod
Banned
Any argument can be turned upside down but it's important to contextualize each side. I would hope that most people are against censorship but also hope that others can take a step back and make exceptions when children are involved despite them "being 18" or "1,246 years old in demon years" or whatever.
Vire
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I don't give a shit if it's .01% of the game, it's in the game. Period.
Someone thought this was a good idea.
And yes, Japanese developers are the main proponents of women wearing miniskirts and thongs into battle. I stand by what I said, I posted a list of games that were released recently that have all included similar levels of creepiness, the worst thing about it is that this type of pandering/fanservice wasn't nearly as prevalent in the 1990's and has only gotten worse as the years gone by. Japanese software sales continuing to decline is no coincidence either, hey are becoming increasingly more and more niche because of their polarizing art style and questionable design decisions. It's a shame because a lot of these games are very good at their core.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
So you're okay with censorship as long as it's the things you're against.
All censorship exists for the reason that someone out there thinks it's ok to censor this or that particular content.
Uh what? You can be against censorship and be against the sexualization of underage children. This is not mutually exclusive.
Censorship is bad and just because it happens to something I don't like doesn't make it ok.
I remember people getting riled up over the lack of blood in the SNES version of Mortal Kombat and the toned down Fatalities in MK vs DC Universe. Hell when someone criticizes anything about GTA and its violence, depictions of women and the lot the parody/satire defense gets brought up every single time.
This is probably the best way to look at this. Well put.
For certain outlets the '3DS Game Has Perv Mode' headlines would damn near write themselves. Giving the option overtly highlights it as an issue in a way that even leaving the game unchanged wouldn't.
Beautiful.
H_Prestige
Banned
Good god at some of you people. How mentally fragile do you have to be to get annoyed by the idea of censorship?
jaundicejuice
Member
Oh no, the slutty bondage kitty outfit is slightly less slutty. Looking at the originals, the changed outfits are welcome, the localization process for this game looks like it's going along smoothly.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Putting aside for the moment any arguments about "what is worse violence or sex" the majority of violent video games do at least do something to contextualize what is happening on screen.
freenudemacusers
Member
it's one thing to dress them in old person clothes, but to raise their age well past their prime? ridiculous.
So apparently you can't even see Ringabel's speedo outfit even through a friend summon, like you can with the other Japan only outfits. It was completely removed. :/
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
This argument never fails to drive me nuts, because the simple fact is that we do care that the things in video games represent actual concepts. If we didn't care then there wouldn't be a reason to do it, we wouldn't have advanced beyond the representational sophistication of say, Pac-Man. The fact that the creators cared enough to design characters like this instead of, I dunno, stick figures undermines your own argument.
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