Was there one in Indigo Prophecy?
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USgamer on a rape allusion in Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2
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Was there one in Indigo Prophecy?
Play Beyond, lol.
EvilKatarn
Member
Since when did video game journalists start to think that they're a part of the creative process? Is this where their incestuous relationship with publishers has gotten us?
Everyone involved in this conversation is using very bold words.
We'll see how adult your game is when it's released.
We'll see how sexualized this game is when it's released.
We'll see who has egg on their face when this game is released.
It's always been this way dude. I remember reading stuff like this in the 90's when DN3D was the big news. And the articles surrounding Mortal Kombat? Forget it.
Not quite as bad as the Legend of Legendary Heroes.
Did a journalist describe it? I only read that bit that Cox himself said that they had this in at some point but already removed it because it was too much for the marketing department. It would be weird if the journalists all saw different builds.
anexanhume
Member
The other three previews all said all 3 were fed upon but the child wasn't shown being fed on. The author in OP article claims she only saw woman fed upon. So, either she didn't see it all, or they changed it.
You're right about that version being removed, but it's not clear if anyone saw it.
Team Filler
Member
No, not as far as I know. My comment comes from the fact that Kat seems like the attack on the family scene shouldn't be happening from a perspective of a protagonist (her remarking something about how it'd be better if it wasn't first-person, or whatnot), and A Clockwork Orange was the first thing that crossed my mind with a terrible and villainous protagonist.
I guess I (childishly) included Jeremy in my previous comment because of his disrespectful, kneejerk-shitting upon towards one of the users commenting with a well-reasoned rebuttal in the comments section of that editorial.
Muppet of a Man
Member
I don't think people think that. I think they know that dracula/vampire lore has evolved over hundreds of years. Initially a metaphor for a blood-thirsty tyrant (blood-thirsty in the metaphorical sense) that had people tortured and killed in the most gruesome of ways, the seductive, sexualized version of dracula is actually a few notches toned down from the lore's even darker origins.
I'm all for artistic integrity, maintaining it and all that stuff. They have made Castlevania into their own derivative. Some might love them for that others might hate them for it. Consider me in the latter.
I actually comment on that stuff all the time. I have a huge problem with the current classification system, and what our society considers acceptable / unacceptable. I agree that it isn't discussed here too often.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Yeah, this. Throwing out her initial belief that Drac only feeds on the wife, which turned out to be wrong, all you're left with is the fact that it takes place in first person view, which doesn't really...I mean, that inherently doesn't seem like it'd be sexualizing the murder of the woman alone, if anybody at all.
We won't know either way until we actually see the scene in question, but I definitely get the feeling that Kat missed something, wrote about what she thought she saw, and then called for censorship.
Not very good journalism, but then, you know.
W-why?
Oh...Pyramid Head?
Hmm well in Rapeplay the player is supposed to be aroused and excited by the box art.
In this game I think they want the player to fell bad and ashamed...?
So it's not bad? If Rapeplay was designed to make Japan question it's "rape culture" instead of encourage it then I don't think it'd be as harmful as it is.
In this instance, the player is suppose to feel some sort of morality...right?
The wording of your posts made it sound like you were specifically focusing on the male-on-female part of things, but apparently I misinterpreted that. We're basically agreeing on the general point though so whatever.
i just want to point out, and i hope im not putting words in your mouth that you didn't mean, but adult is not the same thing as mature, its not hard at all to make a game that should only be played by adults
XANDER CAGE
Member
Yeah, a big part of this rests on whether or not the Very Serious Moment animation for the other characters is just "press button, people dead" but a sexy long bodice-ripping neck kiss for the woman. I'm not really gathering a clear picture from any of the articles.
I just want to play good games. The LOS games are good games (in my opinion of course), so I will play them.
OniBarubary
Banned
This is why Blade 2 vampires are best vampires.
Split jaw leech mouths taking huge gouges outta people. Even other vampires!
Split jaw leech mouths taking huge gouges outta people. Even other vampires!
GoodCoffeeJoey
Banned
There was the bit with the woman cop and the corpse... I think it was mostly cut in the NA version thankfully.
EmCeeGramr
Member
That sounds, to me, like Cox posed a question to a roundtable, Bailey said "yes," and then Cox immediately went off on how it was all his artistic vision. The subsequent comments related to this (as related by this and the other articles) all seem to Cox pointing to Dracula's need to kill and the violence as the central point of discomfort here (see: him claiming that the marketing department forced them to censor the image of a young girl's corpse after Dracula feeds on her).
It sounds like Bailey never actually tells Cox outright why the scene made her uncomfortable, but the article is framed in such a way that implies that Cox is agreeing with her assessment and claiming that her specific take on it was intentional.
oh, I see. That's rather weird.
TV and movies have rape scenes and are considered "powerful," "thought-provoking," etc.
Video game has a "rape" scene that's 100% implied through hyperbole of the interviewing journalist and people want to be up in arms.
But I guess that's the whole "movies are art, games are not" argument that we all hold near and dear to our hearts, too.
Oh well.
Video game has a "rape" scene that's 100% implied through hyperbole of the interviewing journalist and people want to be up in arms.
But I guess that's the whole "movies are art, games are not" argument that we all hold near and dear to our hearts, too.
Oh well.
I'm actually going to, in a few weeks or so. That scene in Heavy Rain was uncomfortable to watch and funny at the same time (because of how ridiculous all those space ninjas coming for you looked in that apartment). I hope I'm not spoiling the fact that Heavy Rain is really a game about space ninja rapists for anyone here lol.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
The outcry back then was very little from the press itself (such as it was). It tended to be driven by the likes of concerned parents groups, politicians, Joseph Lieberman, Jack Thompson, etc.
There has definitely been a sea change lately in the way that "progressive" views have been used to criticize and try to shape games, with journalists themselves, with the incentive to bait clicks, often leading the charge.
The way it sounds, I think it might have been a purely rhetorical question, even. Which would only support your point.
Delusibeta
Banned
Judging by the fact that this is the only article that says the father did not get its blood sucked, it's entirely possible that it's actually player controlled and it could be a "press A to kill instantly, press B to suck blood" QTE affair. Either way, the other previews have satisfied me in the belief that the article we're discussing is making a mountain out of a non-existent molehill.
I'm all for letting devs make the game they want to make. If it's too extreme they will get cut down by the publisher but Journos should just shut the hell up and stop complaining about this kind of stuff.
God, i can't even imagine how much shit Kojima will get for MGSV.
God, i can't even imagine how much shit Kojima will get for MGSV.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Ah, ok, I see what you're saying. It's easy to imagine a developer jumping to the ~no it's my vision~ defense immediately, but if Bailey never actually said her piece it's hard to gauge what's actually going in in the article.
dragonbane
Member
The media in general is very selective when it comes to making an outrage. Tomb Raider's outrage was insane pre-launch, then when the game actually shipped no one made a comment about it, because it turned out to be pretty harmless. Beyond has a scene that clearly depicts attempted rape against a 16 year old girl, yet no one made a comment.
brandonh83
Banned
Yesssss
VeryGooster
Banned
The article could have done a better job expounding on the imagery and maybe referenced the past metaphors in older Dracula stories. I guess I feel I missed the point. The producer says he was going for an emotional reaction from the player and seemingly got it. If something makes me feel uncomfortable, I'd probably put that forward as a discussion piece for the audience, instead of what honestly feels like a soapbox rant.
I mean, I like Kat Bailey's work, but I just don't feel like there is a lot to go on here.
I'm honestly more annoyed by the few journos who have already gone the "snark at folks and talk down to them" route over any discussion.
I mean, I like Kat Bailey's work, but I just don't feel like there is a lot to go on here.
I'm honestly more annoyed by the few journos who have already gone the "snark at folks and talk down to them" route over any discussion.
anexanhume
Member
It seems either she didn't see the whole scene or someone is being untruthful.
https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/422840586773995520
He'll probably get a free pass, because Japan is weiiiiiiird. At least I've seen arguments like that in gaming press in the past.
boom
I frankly, don't give a shit about LoS2, but it has every right to exist in the form that it is. Just because it's "uncomfortable" isn't a good reason to cut content if it's trying to make a point.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
Isn't Dracula, like, a bad guy, typically? Wouldn't sucking blood and the like be expected of the Dracula character?
Gaming commentary never ceases to amaze me. People can see this:
Poseiden Death Scene (God of War 3)
and not bat an eye-lid but Dracula drinking a woman's blood or Lara getting groped by some thug and everyone is up in arms. WTF? That's the real question here for me.
I really hope the devs stand their ground on this. It's just ridiculous.
Poseiden Death Scene (God of War 3)
and not bat an eye-lid but Dracula drinking a woman's blood or Lara getting groped by some thug and everyone is up in arms. WTF? That's the real question here for me.
I really hope the devs stand their ground on this. It's just ridiculous.
It seems either she didn't see the whole scene or someone is being untruthful.
https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/422840586773995520
Huh, very interesting.
FrontalMonk
Banned
I'm looking forward to LoS2, but hell yes I can get behind that. I would be all over a new Igavania like white on rice, screw the haters. Put it on PS4 and get all new art.
...what if Vanillaware made a Metroidvania? *drool*
Yea but the girl isn't consenting to her blood being drank sooooo...
All blood drinking needs to be consensual I feel.
SolidSnakex
Member
Dragon's Crown showed that a free pass won't happen. That somehow ended up being the most controversial game of last year.
AHA-Lambda
Member
That's exactly how it sounds, just shitty games journalism once more.