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[Berordn]

I just noticed that both times we've seen the adventure stages they've been for 3DS.

It's probably fair to say that the 3DS version is getting the better developed solo content this time around, so it wouldn't surprise me if the adventure/solo mode we've seen so far is exclusive to it.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I just noticed that both times we've seen the adventure stages they've been for 3DS.

They're saving the exclusive Wii U RPG mode for E3.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I'm not establishing an ironclad official rule about rumors. I'm aware of the legit Brawl rumor on GameFAQs back when. I'm just advising people to not post every "lol this is obv fake but here you go" rumor they find, especially if it's just going to kick up pages of discussion about a fake rumor that would probably confuse anybody popping in here.

If it's really terribly, awfully fake to the point of hilarity, then sure, we might get laughs from it. And there might be a legit leak, though God knows nobody would be able to tell, most likely.

I'm not fundamentally opposed to rumors per se so much as meaningless off topic ramblings about the daily "i werks wif sakeray and ripley iz a playable assist stage hazard, geno and goku are in" rumors. That, and the intermittent, "Well, I think Nintendo will probably have a Direct next week because of reasons, let's talk about random non-Smash games that might appear" tangents that pop up every couple weeks.


I'm not going to ban anybody unless they're absolutely atrocious about this and even then they'll be warned first, I just want this thread to be halfway presentable at times.

Thank you very much for clarifying that out for me, and I will reducing my posts about false rumors as if it sound so obvious fake. I really appreciate that.

 

[BuggyDClown]

You're so lucky to have it. I should have jumped on it when it was still around. I had no idea it would get so expensive.

Do you guys think Zero Suit will come back? That was probably my least favorite 'character'.

They screwed up by making zero suit come after the smash. It should be able to go back and forth like zelda or how about we have it be a separate character all together.

Its tough getting good at zero suit when I get to use her 1/10th of the time I play as samus.

 

[solomon]

I'm expecting a screenshot, probably around 2 a.m. EST. I think that's a reasonable expectation.

Well I'm studying for chemistry so gaf I brought smores while we wait.

 

[munchie64]

Are we expecting something tonight?

New character reveal. Calling it.

 

[Berordn]

They screwed up by making zero suit come after the smash. It should be able to go back and forth like zelda or how about we have it be a separate character all together.

Its tough getting good at zero suit when I get to use her 1/10th of the time I play as samus.

You could start the match as Zero Suit Samus by holding down the shield button. There's also a taunt input to break out of the armor at any time, too.

 

[FlynnCL]

Something I didn't really realize is that Samus has appeared a little buffed, though it's subtle in most areas. A little research here and there by me, with comparisons from both Smash 4 and Brawl...

> Forward Smash now has an explosion effect at the tip, which most likely indicates increases in both range and power (it was a pretty weak smash attack in Brawl).

> Neutral Air has a slightly different animation where Samus extends her leg out further.

> Her jab animation appears slightly different. Whether it reaches further or not I can't really tell.

> Thanks to her taller, slimmer frame in Smash 4, forward tilt (angled upwards in these pictures) appears to reach further, but this isn't something I can really prove.

> Charge Shot is now "drastically" more powerful. In Brawl, a full Charge Shot can kill Mario at ~80% near the ledge on Final Destination.

 

[Green Mamba]

They screwed up by making zero suit come after the smash. It should be able to go back and forth like zelda or how about we have it be a separate character all together.

Its tough getting good at zero suit when I get to use her 1/10th of the time I play as samus.

You can play as Zero Suit Samus at the start of the match by selecting Samus and holding the shield button when you transition from the character select screen to the stage select screen.

 

[Kokonoe]

Samus: I am Gundam.

 

[Red Arremer]

Has anyone in smashgaf ever make fake accounts and made up rumors for a smash game before?, dont worry ,your safe here O:

Not on GAF, but on Smashboards, back when it had that blog function introduced first, me and some other people shared a fake account named after Sakurai and posted fake reveals for Roy and Dr. Mario using fan-made pictures.

 

[soviet prince]

hoping it's something new

 

[Starphoenix]

All of these Brawl/Sm4sh side-by-side comparisons make me realize how much of a graphical update some of these models really are from their predecessors. Brawl-era Samus looks like a plastic bobble-head.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Wow I hope samus is a little faster too

 

[Red Arremer]

All of these Brawl/Sm4sh side-by-side comparisons make me realize how much of a graphical update some of these models really are from their predecessors. Brawl-era Samus looks like a plastic bobble-head.

BUTT ERMERGERD OOZER ERM MUDDELZ

 

[I'M FINISHED!]

Ridley is in the armor now. That is why there seems to be all of these upgrades.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Something I didn't really realize is that Samus has appeared a little buffed, though it's subtle in most areas. A little research here and there by me, with comparisons from both Smash 4 and Brawl...

Great job on awesome comparisons.

Yeah, it seem that Samus got a good amount of buff so I hope that she would be more fun to play with. Also Sakurai did mentioned that she got buffed with charged beam.

 

[RealDeadOne]

Wow, awesome post, FlynnCL. I'm so excited to play Samus again, I was so disappointed by Brawl's nerfed version of her. She could use a few more kill moves too, like the awesome ice shoryuken from Project M.

 

[TheCongressman1]

They screwed up by making zero suit come after the smash. It should be able to go back and forth like zelda or how about we have it be a separate character all together.

Its tough getting good at zero suit when I get to use her 1/10th of the time I play as samus.

You could start the match as Zero Suit Samus by holding down the shield button. There's also a taunt input to break out of the armor at any time, too.

Yeah, I just don't like her moveset. At all.

 

[Green Mamba]

I don't think Samus is any taller in SSB4, I think it's just her smaller helmet that makes her look taller.

 

[Kokonoe]

Great job on awesome comparisons.

Yeah, it seem that Samus got a good amount of buff so I hope that she would be more fun to play with. Also Sakurai did mentioned that she got buffed with charged beam.

That's good to know. I play as normal Samus a lot so being able to kill with that move will definitely benefit me tons.

 

[zroid]

Samus: dem legs


Good stuff, Flynn!

 

[Azure J]

Those Samus comparisons make me so excited. I hope she's a beast again.

N64 running speed Sakurai pls.

 

[solomon]

Nice FlynnCL, I would do this for olimar but we have no footage, I wonder how is he going to transition into a faster game because right now in project M due to the speed (honestly without wave dashing etc is pretty close to smash 4) Olimar has pretty much become a aggro character. What I really wan't to know is will he keep 6 pikmin.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

This game is going to be amazing solely based on its art style.

Those Samus comparisons make me so excited. I hope she's a beast again.

N64 running speed Sakurai pls.

And her teleport.

 

[TheCongressman1]

Samus is my favorite character as is, but charge shot buff is good.

 

[afoni]

i predict the next image will be a water bottle or some other health restoring item

 

[ffdgh]

Expecting....nothing too interesting tonight

 

[Berordn]

Yeah, I just don't like her moveset. At all.

I really liked ZSS, though I couldn't give you any good reason as to why. She wasn't immune to Brawl's physics jankiness but something about her just really clicked with me.

I really like what Project M did with her too.

 

[Neoxon]

Eh, I'm just expecting the usual. Just a random screenshot that doesn't reveal too much.

 

[megarockexe]

That's good to know. I play as normal Samus a lot so being able to kill with that move will definitely benefit me tons.

So the smash attack is like Mario now? Samus needs more representative moves, not just this Smash 64 haphazardly-guessed Super Metroid moves. Samus isn't supposed to have a "big beam". Samus isn't supposed to have a wimpy fire attack up smash that is bad all-around. Or a wimpy forward-air. Or a pair of easily-dodged gimped missiles. Samus needs drastic change.

 

[Loco4Coco]

Any little buff is huge for Samus.

 

[StreetsAhead]

Eh, I'm just expecting the usual. Just a random screenshot that doesn't reveal too much.

No screenshot is going to reveal more than one or two things, I imagine, so it depends on your definition of 'too much' but the majority of the last 30 or 40 shots have revealed at least some little piece of new information.

 

[User 73706]

> Her jab animation appears slightly different. Whether it reaches further or not I can't really tell.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like her doing an aside-glance while jabbing is actually pretty smart if you take into account the anatomy of her suit: in close-quarters combat where she doesn't have immediate access to her beam, she's using her shoulderpads to shield her face from impacts.

Now that I'm looking at stills, it seems like Brawl's animations relied pretty extensively on making her feel like a 2D-moving character, while SSB4 is giving her a little more personality, even if it's subtle - her moves feel more refined and some of them, like the aforementioned helmet-shielded punches, have an almost militaristic quality to them.

...like she's putting more attention towards the Smash universe now that the bounty game in the Metroid franchise has died down. Oh my godddddddd.

Maybe Sakurai's reviving characters by buffing the hell out of ones from allegedly dead franchises.

I mean I can agree to an extent, but her playstyle/design was always pretty decent (until Brawl happened). Furthermore, she'd be the single most destructive/oppressive character short of endgame Uprising Pit if they were to really give her everything as depicted by her in the Metroid games.

This is why I feel like giving her arsenal a complete showcase as a Final Smash would be great. We get brought-down-to-normal Varia Samus in traditional Smash, and then for an FS she gets her Fully-Powered Suit like in Zero Mission.

 

[Azure J]

So the smash attack is like Mario now? Samus needs more representative moves, not just this Smash 64 haphazardly-guessed Super Metroid moves. Samus isn't supposed to have a "big beam". Samus isn't supposed to have a wimpy fire attack up smash that is bad all-around. Or a wimpy forward-air. Or a pair of easily-dodged gimped missiles. Samus needs drastic change.

I mean I can agree to an extent, but her playstyle/design was always pretty decent (until Brawl happened). Furthermore, she'd be the single most destructive/oppressive character short of endgame Uprising Pit if they were to really give her everything as depicted by her in the Metroid games.

 

[SmithnCo]

Anything that gets Samus closer to how she feels in PM is a good thing. Such an upgrade over her shittastic status in Brawl.

 

[Starphoenix]

I don't think Samus is any taller in SSB4, I think it's just her smaller helmet that makes her look taller.

Her extremities are definitely a little longer.

 

[afoni]

i hope the game is floatier than sonic with bunny ears on

 

[ffdgh]

Anything that gets Samus closer to how she feels in PM is a good thing. Such an upgrade over her shittastic status in Brawl.

A shame her project m dodge, crawl, and ice attacks will never make it into this.

 

[SmithnCo]

A shame her project m dodge, crawl, and ice attacks will never make it into this.

I'll make do as long as her up smash gets a similar buff. So much more satisfying with that knockback.

 

[GamerSoul]

I always liked her new sleek design. nice comparison shots. That forward Smash looks like the killing move it should be.

 

[PadWarrior]

Mew2King said he might be making a pro controller for the new Smash, no promises though. It's at the end of this thread:

http://smashboards.com/threads/all-...llers-for-smash-4.345673/page-6#post-16233976

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

- Rosalina is the only Mario newcomer.
Waluigi and Toad were at once considered, but Waluigi remains an Assist Trophy, and Toad a move for Peach.
- Bowser Junior, Paper Mario and Daisy were never considered. Bowser Junior was planned to be an Assist Trophy, but was scrapped.
Fawful is a new Mario Assist Trophy. He acts like Mr. Resetti, but will attack opponents at random.
- Diddy Kong will be the next revealed veteran, to coincide with Tropical Freeze’s release date.
Diddy is paired with Dixie Kong as a tag-team, similar to Zelda and Sheik.
- Dixie has a separate moveset from Diddy, but it’s still being worked on.
King K. Rool is a newcomer, the heaviest character on the roster. He is powerful and can KO light characters with 2 good Smash Attacks. His final smash has him use the blunderbuss and fire cannonballs from the top of the screen while they fly in from the sides as well.
- Gangplank Galleon is a stage.
There is a new Zelda character, although it’s kept a secret so far. The names heard most often are Tingle and Ghirahim.
- Ganondorf will be buffed, although he still retains some of C. Falcon’s moves. He can equip a sword using his Down Special.
Chrom is a Fire Emblem necomer. He wields the Falchion, and does not replace Ike.
- Chrom is expected to be revealed to celebrate the anniversary of the first Fire Emblem.
Lyn’s Assist Trophy from Brawl has been scrapped.
- King Gangrel and Aversa are the new Fire Emblem Assist Trophy. Gangrel runs around slicing with his sword, while Aversa flies above using Aversa’s Night. They are the “unexpected” Assist Trophy.
No newcomers for Yoshi or Wario.
- Wario’s overalls are now his default attire.
The Kat & Ana Assist Trophy has been scrapped.
- Ashley from WarioWare is a new Assist Trophy!
Ridley is a newcomer, and is scaled down a bit. It was a major feat on the development team.
- No new Star Fox characters.
Falco is farther away from being a Fox clone.
- Wolf is no longer a semi-clone.
Villager has a female costume.
- Mr. Resetti returns as an Assist Trophy.
Tom Nook is a new Assist Trophy. He apparently drops bells across the stage, which causes opponents to trip. (Due to Sakurai saying tripping is removed, it’s unknown if forced tripping, like this and Diddy’s bananas will return, or if only accidental tripping is removed.)
- Palutena is a newcomer, with her moves based directly off Uprising.
Magnus is a new Assist Trophy, and acts similarly to Little Mac in Brawl.
- All Pokemon veterans from Brawl return.
Mewtwo returns.
- Mewtwo and Lucario have very different movesets.
No new Kirby characters.
- Meta Knight will be revealed sometime in the summer of 2014.
No changes made to the EarthBound series.
- All misc. characters return (Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Ice Climbers)
Little Mac is a newcomer. He has the look from the Punch-Out!! reboot for the Wii.
- The Male Wii Fit Trainer is indeed an alt. for Wii Fit Trainer.
Wii Fit Trainer has a butt attack. It is replaced by a headbutt for the male costume.
- King Hippo is an Assist Trophy.
The Ghosts from Luigi’s Mansion are an Assist Trophy.
- Snake returns.
Pac-Man will be the final newcomer. He is a secret character.

I photoshopped up what this leaked roster would look like, if true. The one change I made to it was adding Mii from the E3 leak:

 

[Ryce]

A tip for the fake leakers: don't list which characters were "considered" or "not considered." That's an instant giveaway.

 

[SmithnCo]

Also listing every character then saying "lol but the Zelda character's a secret!!!! It's one of these two maybe!"

 

[Gleethor]

A tip for the fake leakers: don't list which characters were "considered" or "not considered." That's an instant giveaway.

Seriously. Also "I know every newcomer except the Zelda newcomer which hasn't been decided lol!!!"

 

[Richie]

I for one would welcome leaks that spoke more about game modes and such. Even if they're 101% BS, they'll be a better read, as it'll force them to be more creative.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

The other thing I'm noticing after putting it all together is that there aren't any "risky" characters.

Sakurai's rosters include wildly out of left field characters who in retrospect make a lot of sense. Wii Fit Trainer could be the only one we're getting, but with her revealed so early I'd expect another.

"Leak" rosters tend to either only pick safe bets or pick left-field choices that don't really make sense in the way Sakurai's weird picks do.

 

[MannyToons]

The listing of "potential characters" and "those that were never considered" really ruin that so-called leak for me.

 

[Kyzon]

I photoshopped up what this leaked roster would look like, if true. The one change I made to it was adding Mii from the E3 leak:

I'd be pretty OK with this honestly.