Mauricio_Magus
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That would be fine, even if I'd prefer 4, from where does the theory come from?
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Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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That would be fine, even if I'd prefer 4, from where does the theory come from?
what? man i'm outta the loop
megarockexe
Member
Watch as at least 3 more daily screenshots are spent trying to explain this concept more.
I believe the theory stems from the fact that...
There doesn't exist a picture of Olimar with more than 3 Pikmin with him.
MrSaturn99
Member
It's a combination of how we've only ever seen up to three Pikmin in the screenshots and how Sakurai/Namco have had difficulty programming the complex characters for the 3DS version. Personally, I think it's likely but obviously there isn't a direct confirmation.
yeah so far, the game is faster than brawl but not as fast as melee and tripping is gone
Peach's down a can finally be the ledge meteor smash it was meant to be.
You mean Luigi's down taunt.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
when talking about the limitations of the 3DS version ice climbers and olimar were given as examples of having to deal with the 3DS CPU with, olimar was revealed soon after as if to relax people from this apparent issue, but the thing is, in every screenshot of olimar he has never had more than 3 pikmin on screen, this could just be due to the game still being-in development but it could be a change so he would work better because of the 3DS version.
Yeah that was one if the first things he confirmed lol. After e3 I think.
SkullHydra
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I don't even think the hardcore players are going to understand this much either. Sakurai's wording was pretty unclear...
Dr.Thunder
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Sounds to me like this serves at least 2 purposes. The first is to buff characters with poor recovery options and second to kinda force something to happen when characters repeatedly edge grab and fly out etc.
DisconnectD
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Well if this ledge trump mechanic actually favors high percentage, long air time recovering characters, that means no more shitty tether recoveries. I will be sad if it means ledge stalled Marth meteor smashes will be much harder to pulloff. Not to mention the auto-ledge grab dolphin slash. Eh, it wasn't reliable anyway.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
so theres a apparent leak of palutena on the 3DS just posted on the smashboards, since its the 3DS version im gonna say its fake.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
haha you should read the OP on the front page man, has everything you need to know.
MrSaturn99
Member
Her face looks...off. I don't buy it.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Ooo forgot about his kick. It may actually be verrry slightly useable now.
CriterionDog
Member
So...no more edge hogging?! THANK GOD. That is what my friends do ALL the time. It was really annoying.
That looks real.
People are way too good at making fakes.
No horrible glare, the angle is normal, the image is clean...I.....I want to believe.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
It does..
C.Olimar788
Member
This fact, as well as the fact that Sakurai DID manage to make Uprising pretty darn well, is why I still haven't given up hope for Smash 4 to be a competitive experience.
Most of the basic implications have already been covered in this thread. It's a big deal, but I don't think it needs its own thread. We don't want to drive the entirety of GAF crazy by posting new Smash threads every two seconds.
Okay, so the main one. There is some mechanic in play that allows a player to "trump" a player that's already grabbing a ledge. I see this meaning one of two things: either a Tether Recovery can "trump" an existing ledge-grabber (so Link uses his Clawshot, hands below the ledge even while Mario is on the ledge, and then pulls himself up, knocking Mario off) or a player in general can "trump" an existing grabber, either through just trying to grab it when they're no longer invincible or through some process involving their damage percentages - who knows.
Either way, it sounds pretty bad to me. Best case scenario, it's a buff specifically for Tether Recoveries, which certainly needed one. In that case, though, edgehogging becomes completely useless against characters with Tether Recoveries, as it would put you in a worse situation if you even tried. So that's bad. Worst case scenario, this applies to all situations of edgehogging, and effectively removes the mechanic. Which is really bad, as making grabbing the edge easy would not only extend characters' lifespan (after Brawl already did tremendously) but also remove much of the dynamic that makes the edges in Smash Bros. so good as game mechanics.
Most of the possibilities about the invincibility change have already been discussed in the last page, and I am of the opinion that it likely mostly means that characters that just hop onto the ledge from the stage (like for edgehogging) will have much less invincibility. Which is yet another reason to never edgehog again, and completely changes the dynamic at the ledge for the worse. But hey, we don't know that for sure yet so whatever.
The final bit about things no longer changing over 100% could really go either way. How it worked in earlier Smash Bros. was simple - below 100% you had better options from the ledge, and above 100% you had worse options. Nixing that distinction could easily mean that, again, the ledge is worsened as a mechanic - if it's too easy to get back up from the ledge, it becomes pretty moot. On the other hand, though, it would generally keep the mechanics of the game dependent on the player's skill and not on how much damage they have accumulated, which is a good thing. How this change pans out will depend on how the new singular ledge options are balanced.
Smashman45
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Dang it I want to believe...
Seems like it pleases both sides.
Yeah, I honestly believe it's real. It perfectly fits the style of it.
foxuzamaki
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The reason I think its fake because most "leaks" of characters are made using the 3DS graphics stye where people can easily photoshop the characters to have black lines and such, I learned this from the ness "leak" that looked really good.
the ness leak had a lot of apparent flaws though
CriterionDog
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It's a awesome possibility, but I'd rather wait until she is revealed. But, why only leak her? If someone had a build of the game, wouldn't the leak MORE than that? Either way, I would kill for her and another Kid Icarus representative, like Magnus or that other girl who's name I cannot remember. Viridi?
MrSaturn99
Member
Isn't the camera angle way closer than it should be on those Palutena pics?
I want to believe
foxuzamaki
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I can easily see this being taken and photoshopped from uprising though.
nm found it.
If that's fake, that's a damn good fake. She looks good on 3DS and seems to fit in well.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I'm calling fake and I'm not one that just does that instinctively when "rumors" are posted.
PaulExcellent
Member
That... looks pretty good.
Like, super good.
Like, I can't wait for this game.
Like, super good.
Like, I can't wait for this game.
Like, I want to bite her bum.
soviet prince
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not interested in this update myself
How on earth would a pic like that leak? Weird.
On one hand, it's actually clear. Usually 'leaks' are blurry, some weird angle horseshit when it's 2014 and everyone would be able to get a clear shot. On the other, I wouldn't be surprised if someone was able to use something from Uprising to make this...but it's pretty convincing looking.
On one hand, it's actually clear. Usually 'leaks' are blurry, some weird angle horseshit when it's 2014 and everyone would be able to get a clear shot. On the other, I wouldn't be surprised if someone was able to use something from Uprising to make this...but it's pretty convincing looking.
OminousShadow
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That second one looks pretty legit. I guess we'll wait and see.
foxuzamaki
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wasnt her model different in uprising?
and no one can export 3ds models afaik. those games are still unhacked
I don't believe it's from uprising though because not even with Gateway 3DS can models be exported from 3DS yet.
Let's not ruin another (possible) female character reveal please. Thanks.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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SkullHydra
Member
She looks pretty legit. But if I've learned anything from Pokémon X & Y's launch, it's that people are really good at making fake 3DS images.