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Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
I'm just having game, after game ruined by people from Peru, Venezuela and Brazil. Do I have games ruined by Americans? Yes but it's not nearly on the consistency that I am having games destroyed by South Americans. I KNOW I'm not the only one having this problem. A simple google search reveals many others feel the same way. We aren't racist, we aren't bigots... and we aren't going off a small sample size. It's a problem, plain and simple.

I do not want to play with them, and I should have an option in a game that is all about teamwork and communication to prevent that from happening.

That's fine you want to play with people from other regions. The region locking system could simply go off the party leaders region and still allow friend invites from other regions but for Solo Q ranked mmr it's simply a must have.

would u say ur traumatized by brown people in your dota games? may i suggest writing a blog
 

manfestival

Member
I gotta say that I am from puerto rico and know my spanish. I really want region locking. It may prevent me from gaming with dondo and singsing but its a sacrifice I would make to have teams I am more comfortable communicating with.
 

elyetis

Member
Could you give me an example of this?
Of a game doing this I don't know. But I don't see how it's hard to imagine the region locking only allowing you to search game in the regions represented by the people in your party. Play solo or only with people from your own region ? MM put you in your region server. Play with a friend from another region ? MM put you ( or allow you to choose ) in your or their region server.
 

shira

Member
Damn, that's some manner of dream job if DC stays profitable.

They have way more youtube presence and (replays if I'm not mistaken) compared to BTS and joindota.

So depending on how youtube pays out compared to twitch they could be more profitable??? If they are on youtube streaming (and they perfect chat) that could be gamechanger.

Code:
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joindota 53k	
dotacinema 44k

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dc 231k
jd 65k

twitch followers
jd 54k
dc 18k

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dc 715k
jd 164k
 
Region locking ranked until a certain threshold may not be a terrible idea. At some point the pool becomes so thin that the queue times would be unbearable with complete region locking.

It is pretty disheartening to new players to not be able to communicate with team mates and learn what can make dota fun.
 

Volodja

Member
Implement region locking and see certain regions becoming completely unable to play at certain times zones because of the lower population.
 

Madouu

Member
Dota 2 certainly requires some pretty good communication at very high levels, but at a low pub level just basic communication through pings and universal phrases should be enough to have a functional team. The problem is not the language barrier, south americans or rednecks, it's just players that refuse to communicate. Sometimes because they don't know they have to, or because the last time they've tried to, all they received in exchange was a bunch of insults. Still, generally being patient and asking people nicely and repeatedly works most of the time, if it doesn't, then you're out of luck.

On a side note, HoN had region locking after a while, it certainly didn't fix bad picks I can tell you that.
 

sixghost

Member
Even with region locking (which I am in favor of some sort of implementation of), this will still happen. But at least you could understand each other when it's time to flame. Communication is key and I don't understand why they would follow with those picks if you picked first well in advance and put Ld on the minimap for where you were going to lane. Even if they don't speak English, they can still SEE. Presumably.
They should just get serious about the language queue option. People from Mexico that don't speak English should be free to queue on US East or West, but they should make sure to queue for Spanish Only if that's the only language they speak. You should also be able to report someone for not speaking the language they queued for.
 
Implement region locking and see certain regions becoming completely unable to play at certain times zones because of the lower population.

Boo fucking hoo.

There's UNRANKED for those players. For players that want a good, team based environment where they can communicate with their allies without fear of saying anything and being responded with "jajajajaja n00b" ranked should be region locked. ESPECIALLY for Solo Q.
 

G.ZZZ

Member
The dehumanizing chat.

If you have to be racist at least be funny, like the NADota guys who flame each other all the time and there's not a single white american in there i swear.
 

Acinixys

Member
As I said a few pages back, Slardar is now a legit hard carry. And unlike most hard carries who need to get a BF and farm for 25 minutes, as soon as Slar hits 6 he can start ganking and fighting.

People SERIOUSLY underestimate his ult, especially early game. Almost every time im playing solo vs a dual lane ill get an easy double kill, because ill Amp them both and then have them initiate on me. Stun + a few auto attacks and theyre dead.

Juggernauts are especially prone to this. Theyll spin into me, get Amped and then die in 2 hits

http://dotabuff.com/matches/492162007
 
You should also be able to report someone for not speaking the language they queued for.

Why? They have no control over if Valve takes their check box seriously or not. It's a preference, not a hard limit on who you can play with.

Boo fucking hoo.

There's UNRANKED for those players. For players that want a good, team based environment where they can communicate with their allies without fear of saying anything and being responded with "jajajajaja n00b" ranked should be region locked. ESPECIALLY for Solo Q.

Heh, my brother responds with "jajajaja" to every complaint of his play just to get a rise out of people. I've seen soooo much racism thrown around as soon as he types those 2 simple letters, it's almost sickening.
 

Hupsel

Member
I am from Brazil but its true, some brazilian players are a pain in the ass to play with. They dont communicate, they troll, they dont even speak english. Same thing with other countries and even some american players, but it seems it happens more ofter with us brazilians, unfortunately.
 

Volodja

Member
Boo fucking hoo.

There's UNRANKED for those players. For players that want a good, team based environment where they can communicate with their allies without fear of saying anything and being responded with "jajajajaja n00b" ranked should be region locked. ESPECIALLY for Solo Q.
You realize that the person that is whining about shit is you, right?
So you can keep your Boo fucking hoo close to your chest.
 
You realize that the person that is whining about shit is you, right?
So you can keep your Boo fucking hoo close to your chest.


As a european, you don't constantly have south americans ruining your games, so your opinion is pretty much invalid.


I'm not the only one. Just seem to be the only one that has a problem with it on Neogaf. Apparently neogaf has reached some enlightened plain where having their Dota games ruined by south americans doesn't rustle their jimmies at all. A simple google search shows many, many, many others feel the same way about it.

I'm done posting about it.

thisisneogaf.gif
 

G.ZZZ

Member
Guys i've got an idea, just make dota cost 50$ a month, so dirty poors and brown people and south americans can't play with you noble, rich, democratic-exporting north americans who trust in god and are the simbol of everything's that good and noble and rich enough.

:cryingeagle:
 
Guys i've got an idea, just make dota cost 50$ a month, so dirty poors and brown people and south americans can't play with you noble, rich, democratic-exporting north americans who trust in god and are the simbol of everything's that good and noble and rich enough.

:cryingeagle:

You realize that this comment is more racist, than me not wanting to play with South Americans... right?
 
I'm opposed to a region lock not because I enjoy playing with foreigners, but I'm against taking an open game and restricting it more than it should be. I'd rather get the occasional game with a Brazilian than have my game locked up.
 

Skab

Member
Still advocating region locking.

3600mmr

I auto lock lone druid, select safe lane.

No one picks until last second.

Anti Mage, Luna, PA, Undying are the other 4 picks.

Anti mage pings repeatedly telling me to get back off safelane then goes mid and loses to Tiny.

Undying comes safelane, gets on creep line and takes as much farm as possible.

Luna goes offlane, feeds 5 times and abandons.

Not a single person on my team from the United States not any that spoke any sort of english.

Preferences: US EAST US WEST, English

GG Volvo

Stop playing AP. It's even worse in ranked.
 

Sibylus

Banned
I wish those Chinese guys I played with that one time would come back to USW. Legit more enjoyable than half of the English speakers I've played with.
 

Volodja

Member
I'm not the only one. Just seem to be the only one that has a problem with it on Neogaf. Apparently neogaf has reached some enlightened plain where having their Dota games ruined by south americans doesn't rustle their jimmies at all. A simple google search shows many, many, many others feel the same way about it.

I'm done posting about it.

thisisneogaf.gif
A simple google search will tell you that many many many feel that it's actually always their team's fault that they lose any game.

News flash: people like to blame things on factors other than themselves.
 

TUSR

Banned
I wish those Chinese guys I played with that one time would come back to USW. Legit more enjoyable than half of the English speakers I've played with.
I played with 4 guys that were Chinese and all they did was talk shit to each other because they were friends. One of the most
Hilarious and enjoyable games I've played
 

FACE

Banned
As a South American that plays on SA servers I must say that 99% of SA players I've played with are horrible, uncooperative and they don't communicate unless it's to badmouth the team.
 
Friends are overrated.






I am not joking.
Playing with friends is critical.

How about this...me thinking out loud here...what if a region lock is a soft lock? That is, you queue in your closest region (which is selected by default and can't be changed), perhaps expanding in search to other continents you have checked based on how long you've been waiting in queue. Sounds like a rather hard lock, right? Well how about this solution to friends: if you join a party with friends, you queue in whatever region they are in. The party leader status and region overrides your local soft lock.

The benefit seems clear: If a Russian or Brazilian or Chilean wants to queue USE/W, (s)he can so long as (s)he has a friend in the region (who is actually in the region) to queue with. The chances of someone not speaking english in this scenario are minimized, meaning less games where people can't communicate with each other. Or those of us in the US can play with our homies in the UK on EuroW. It means everyone will have a reliably good pong since the default and strong preference of the search will be around the closest region to them. The concern of not being able to play with friends is eliminated. And so is the burden parties queuing USE from the Phillipines creates for unsuspecting Americans and Canadians is slashed.

The drawback is that you can't queue off of your continent as easily. You need a friend who will be be party member where you want to go available. I've only done this a few times in my 3,000 matches, but I can understand this being inconvenient. I have a friend in India who queues EuroW because he only speaks English and this would be a hit to him, as he would now have to wait for a EuroW friend to come online to play there where now he just solo queues it at will. Furthermore, if you don't have a friend on another continent, it will become more difficult to get one: you'll have to get those friends through partying with other friends. This also doesn't do anything to help regions like Europe where several languages are spoken (where here in the Americas, there are really only 3). I consider these outliers, though. For the vast majority, this would be a major boost to their overall experience.

Now tell me the fatal flaw, GAF.
 

ink4n3

Member
You realize that this comment is more racist, than me not wanting to play with South Americans... right?

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Razzer

Member
What I find the funniest is that they are essentially saying foreign players are not as good, period. Which obviously is not true. The communication issue, whilst slightly exaggerated by this, would not change if they spoke English. A troll is a troll, and sometimes they might not even be foreign ( like Ballad's brother). If they are a nice communicative player and they don't speak English they can get across anything they need via the tools Valve has provided.
 

elyetis

Member
Now tell me the fatal flaw, GAF.
Waiting for it too since it's also what I spoke about.

You could also make it so after a given time looking for player, it would begin to look in other ( closest ) region; as to avoid the possible "see certain regions becoming completely unable to play at certain times zones because of the lower population. " scenario.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
What I find the funniest is that they are essentially saying foreign players are not as good, period. Which obviously is not true. The communication issue, whilst slightly exaggerated by this, would not change if they spoke English. A troll is a troll, and sometimes they might not even be foreign ( like Ballad's brother). If they are a nice communicative player and they don't speak English they can get across anything they need via the tools Valve has provided.

this, i love doing weird accents in pub voice chat and seeing the overreactions i get

i bet half of the "hueheuheuehuehue noob lol" are just americans trolling
 

Acinixys

Member
Playing with friends is critical.

The benefit seems clear: If a Russian or Brazilian or Chilean wants to queue USE/W, (s)he can so long as (s)he has a friend in the region (who is actually in the region) to queue with. The chances of someone not speaking english in this scenario are minimized, meaning less games where people can't communicate with each other. Or those of us in the US can play with our homies in the UK on EuroW. It means everyone will have a reliably good pong since the default and strong preference of the search will be around the closest region to them. The concern of not being able to play with friends is eliminated. And so is the burden parties queuing USE from the Phillipines creates for unsuspecting Americans and Canadians is slashed. .

Now tell me the fatal flaw, GAF.

Ping.

Playing on the Africa servers, every time an international joins the game they always have a ping of over 300+, which is almost unplayable.

This is the biggest issue i have with people queuing outside their regions.
 

fiore

Banned
Still advocating region locking.

3600mmr

I auto lock lone druid, select safe lane.

No one picks until last second.

Anti Mage, Luna, PA, Undying are the other 4 picks.

Anti mage pings repeatedly telling me to get back off safelane then goes mid and loses to Tiny.

Undying comes safelane, gets on creep line and takes as much farm as possible.

Luna goes offlane, feeds 5 times and abandons.

Not a single person on my team from the United States not any that spoke any sort of english.

Preferences: US EAST US WEST, English

GG Volvo

Why are you safe lane with lone druid lol
 
One of my most memorable Dota 2 experiences was a match where it was 2 solo players and a 3 stack. Solo me, a 3 stack of some girl and 2 of her friends, and one Brazilian who didn't speak a lick of comprehensible english.

Through the entire match, the Brazilian would scream into his mic while charging in as Jugg. And he'd do stuff like throw himself infront of CM (the girl) and then make strange noises and try to say stuff in English (poorly) to awkwardly hit on her, like "I do go, yes? Good friend?" while the other two guys in the stack would sort of tease his awkwardness with the language and then they'd play along and battlecry with him.

It was all kinds of a good time to be there.


Also had a sort of similar experience with a Russian who would run into 1v5 man fights, yelling stuff in Russian and then manage to actually win. The hilarious meta commentary from the other two English speakers about his gameplay style was worth it.


Just some anecdotes.
 

Razzer

Member
Playing with friends is critical.

How about this...me thinking out loud here...what if a region lock is a soft lock? That is, you queue in your closest region (which is selected by default and can't be changed), perhaps expanding in search to other continents you have checked based on how long you've been waiting in queue. Sounds like a rather hard lock, right? Well how about this solution to friends: if you join a party with friends, you queue in whatever region they are in. The party leader status and region overrides your local soft lock.

The benefit seems clear: If a Russian or Brazilian or Chilean wants to queue USE/W, (s)he can so long as (s)he has a friend in the region (who is actually in the region) to queue with. The chances of someone not speaking english in this scenario are minimized, meaning less games where people can't communicate with each other. Or those of us in the US can play with our homies in the UK on EuroW. It means everyone will have a reliably good pong since the default and strong preference of the search will be around the closest region to them. The concern of not being able to play with friends is eliminated. And so is the burden parties queuing USE from the Phillipines creates for unsuspecting Americans and Canadians is slashed.

The drawback is that you can't queue off of your continent as easily. You need a friend who will be be party member where you want to go available. I've only done this a few times in my 3,000 matches, but I can understand this being inconvenient. I have a friend in India who queues EuroW because he only speaks English and this would be a hit to him, as he would now have to wait for a EuroW friend to come online to play there where now he just solo queues it at will. Furthermore, if you don't have a friend on another continent, it will become more difficult to get one: you'll have to get those friends through partying with other friends. This also doesn't do anything to help regions like Europe where several languages are spoken (where here in the Americas, there are really only 3). I consider these outliers, though. For the vast majority, this would be a major boost to their overall experience.

Now tell me the fatal flaw, GAF.

I don't think there is a particular flaw, I just don't think we need one. The only issue region locking solves is the language issue and I think there are enough tools in place that people that don't speak the same language can still communicate enough to play at a pub level. You may disagree, and that's fine.
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
In American dota, enemy 5v1s your mid 1 minute into game. In Russian dota, you 1v5 enemy mid and get glorious rampage.
 

rezuth

Member
As a european, you don't constantly have south americans ruining your games, so your opinion is pretty much invalid.


I'm not the only one. Just seem to be the only one that has a problem with it on Neogaf. Apparently neogaf has reached some enlightened plain where having their Dota games ruined by south americans doesn't rustle their jimmies at all. A simple google search shows many, many, many others feel the same way about it.

I'm done posting about it.

thisisneogaf.gif

No, we deal with russians instead. From someone who has A LOT of experience from both US East and EU West/East. I would gladly take the US East anytime, until you experience the shithole that is EU matchmaking you shouldn't really complain at all.
 

ViviOggi

Member
No, we deal with russians instead. From someone who has A LOT of experience from both US East and EU West/East. I would gladly take the US East anytime, until you experience the shithole that is EU matchmaking you shouldn't really complain at all.

here we go
 

sixghost

Member
Any way to purchase stuff from the dota 2 store without using your steam wallet?

I'm pretty sure if you are spending more than $5, you can just pay with a credit card like any other steam purchase. Anything lower than that has to be done by adding funds to your steam wallet first.
 
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