LittleJohnny
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Or instead of going to hell, you could play Forza 5
Although to some around here, that would be hell lol
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"1080p was an absolute must for us; its the benchmark for next-gen."
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Or instead of going to hell, you could play Forza 5
Not on the Xbone anyway.
Except in the case of infamous all prerelease shots matched the game exactly.
Hydrargyrus
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For driving and fighting games (or gaems) I prefer FPS over Resolution.
But in the rest, while the FPS were over 30fps, I prefer native resolution (1080p)
But in the rest, while the FPS were over 30fps, I prefer native resolution (1080p)
In a perfect world 1080 60 and above all day!
I started playing games back when the only thing that really mattered was gameplay, difficulty curve and a descent end game screen/cinema.
Now we buy games and consoles based solely on rez and shader density!? Have we become so obsessed with graphics and power that we've lost sight of what we play games for in the first place? Have we lost patience with the advancement of technology? Is it right of us to feel offended by the relative power of the new systems, like we are intitled to a much greater advance in hardware? Should a developer quantify next gen by a resolution but not by physic manipulation or advancements in A.I.? You tell me- but from where I see it, our lust for shiney objects has hindered the advancement of our medium. To the point where now instead of power being used for complex ecosystems or dynamic environments. Its being used as a bright light to catch as many bugs as it can.
I started playing games back when the only thing that really mattered was gameplay, difficulty curve and a descent end game screen/cinema.
Now we buy games and consoles based solely on rez and shader density!? Have we become so obsessed with graphics and power that we've lost sight of what we play games for in the first place? Have we lost patience with the advancement of technology? Is it right of us to feel offended by the relative power of the new systems, like we are intitled to a much greater advance in hardware? Should a developer quantify next gen by a resolution but not by physic manipulation or advancements in A.I.? You tell me- but from where I see it, our lust for shiney objects has hindered the advancement of our medium. To the point where now instead of power being used for complex ecosystems or dynamic environments. Its being used as a bright light to catch as many bugs as it can.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Seems like a pretty poor thing to say for a Microsoft studio. I mean if 1080p is the benchmark then wouldn't the logical thing be buying a PS4 since it offers more 1080p games atm?
I mean, what were they thinking?! I agree though 1080p seems like a must.
I mean, what were they thinking?! I agree though 1080p seems like a must.
gutterboy44
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Seeing as the native resolution of my TV was 1080p at the start of the last gen, hitting that same resolution for the start of a brand new gen, some nearly 10 years later should undoubtedly be standard.
As for FPS, they are very important to me so 1080/60fps is ideal and should be the ambition of all new titles on the latest consoles.
As for FPS, they are very important to me so 1080/60fps is ideal and should be the ambition of all new titles on the latest consoles.
Bacon_Boss
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I'm not picky about this sort of thing. It needs to play well and look right.
It doesn't - hence my own correction. But the prerelease shots were of a much higher resolution and looked better.
Except for the whole much higher resolution and super sampled aa thing.
It's refreshing to see them say their own thing in my opinion, even if it doesn't make sense based on MS's messaging so far.
I'm a fan of Forza Horizon so it's even better to hear them say that in regards to this game.
The_R3medy
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I don't give a shit about resolution most of the time. Just make the game good.
DirgeExtinction
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As long as a game is 1080p and at least 30fps(no dips to sub-30), I'm fine with it.
Yep, I want that native resolution more than anything. I barely notice frame rate, but massively notice resolution. If I had my way all next-gen games would be 1080p, and then you'd deal with toning down the effects and textures until you got the required frame rate (60fps for racers / fighters etc, 30fps for most other things).
On PS4 so far most things have been 1080p, and many things are even 1080p/60fps so I've been very satisfied.
On PS4 so far most things have been 1080p, and many things are even 1080p/60fps so I've been very satisfied.
TheLostBigBoss
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Bjoern the Smexy
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If the choice is between 720p60fps and 1080p30fps then I'd gladly take the former.
60 fps in games is much more satisfying than 1080p.
60 fps in games is much more satisfying than 1080p.
Shalashaska161
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I'd rather 1080p but honestly it doesn't matter all that much. I have a good PC for when I want best of the best.
Auto-Reply
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Indifferent, in the end it doesn't matter much if the game doesn't deliver in other aspects.
Megadragon15
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As was pointed out much earlier in the thread, Microsoft does not own Playground Games.
CadetMahoney
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Whatever resolution, if it's target 30fps:
Paracelsus
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It's not the res by itself, it's games looking like movies while running at that res. At 720p rather than 60fps I'd expect Avatar - The Game.
InFamous is one game which basically looked near enough exactly the same as the bullshots.
Press bullshot top, in-game capture bottom.
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Performance is more important to me, I don't really mind sub HD even though I prefer a native resolution, and I believe there's a limitation so it's up to the dev to decide what is more important to them and how to get the most out of the platform they are targeting.
It's not like I would go out of the way to boycott and avoid games that don't reach the standard I have, but it would certainly affect my purchase decision, but resolution while it's more important than other graphical effects for me, still belongs to the visual part of the equation which is on a lower priority of things I care for.
Resolution and framerate on pc however, should always be unlocked, I probably won't buy a modern game
until it drops lower in price
So youd rather have THIS @ 60FPS?
Than THIS @30FPS?
[note image is used purely as an example... RF:A actually runs @60fps on PC... thats not the point though... the first shows the resolution of PS3 version (somewhere between 600-720p) whereas the second one is 1080p]
JustAnotherOtaku
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Gameplay/mechanics > resolution. Yes, 1080/60 would be great for everything (or everything applicable), but to avoid a game because it has a few less pees or frames is silly in my eyes.
Marauder Shields
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As long as the framerate is good and consistent, I'm fine with whatever resolution.
So youd rather have THIS @ 60FPS?
Than THIS @30FPS?
[note image is used purely as an example... RF:A actually runs @60fps on PC... thats not the point though... the first shows the resolution of PS3 version (somewhere between 600-720p) whereas the second one is 1080p]
I don't know why it's hard to believe that people would prefer a higher framerate, it's not like we never played a lower resolution game in our life before, some of us played those sub HD games on 1080p tvs, it's not preferable, ninja gaiden 2 even runs at a lower than 720p resolution, but I'm sure most of its fans would still prefer 60fps with consistent framerate than visuals if they're forced to pick one, unless the resolution is really too muddy making it difficult to see objects on screen, I don't think it's always as black and white as some people are making it out to be.
Of course, for me, not everything needs to be 60fps, but I understand that higher framerate just feels better for some.
If you give me a choice I'd drop that bayonetta ps3 port to 480p just so i can play it at a higher framerate, the performance was extremely annoying.
Right but i didnt buy a PS4 to play games that LOOK like PS3.... or XB1 for games that look like 360...
Having a lower resolution doesn't mean the game will look like a ps3 game, infamous second son will probably still look like infamous second son, at a lower resolution and possibly more things on screen since they will have more resources/or at a higher framerate if that's what's preferred.
Bobs Big Boy
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Would like to say it's a good standard but none of my favorite games can be played in 1080p, so how important could that be.
I'm with these gentlemen. Though I get that some people do value a certain bar being set by other platforms.
With all due respect to any potential fun game on the Xbox One, if the competition(PS4, and then there is something like the PC) can offer similar experiences but at 1080p, and in the PC's case at 60 frames, that is a new standard being set. That does mean your system is doing something straight up worse than the competition.
1080p @30fps locked is perfectly fine with me. Coming from last gen with sub hd, fluctuating frame rates in the main, bad draw distances....seems like some people want too much, especially given the prices of the new machines. We are also still in the first year of the new cycle.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
While PC can have both and PS4 can have both on occasion I feel that Xbone has to settle below both almost every time. I don't have anything against 720p on PS3 or lower resolutions when playing older games I do feel that if I'm buying a game now it has to be native resolution. There's too many games to begin with so it's not like I'm starved for 1080p content.
ChronotriggerJM
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Per pixel mapping is priority 1 in my book. Good call.
molnizzle
Member
Agreed.
Sub-1080p doesn't look right on my TV though. That's the problem.
30fps is perfectly fine as long as there are no dips whatsoever but rendering at my TV's native resolution should not be a luxury in 2014. That is the goddamn bare minimum.
For this game I'm not crazy concerned..a whole lot of people feel that Forza Horizon was the best racing game of last gen...this game will be fine at 30fps
What model TV did you have in 2005?...curious...
You must have serious trouble watching broadcast TV then huh?
What model TV did you have in 2005?...curious...
You must have serious trouble watching broadcast TV then huh?
Frame rate is way more important then resolution for me. Rather have 720 60fps then 1080 30 if I Had to choose.
I'm not buying a PS4 to play games that RUN like PS3 games.... or XB1 for games that run like 360 games...
Resolution has a huge impact on performance in most cases.
Running at 1600p, you are likely running into bottlenecks that are distorting your 'results' somewhat.
There's more going on there than just a resolution difference.So youd rather have THIS @ 60FPS?
Than THIS @30FPS?
[note image is used purely as an example... RF:A actually runs @60fps on PC... thats not the point though... the first shows the resolution of PS3 version (somewhere between 600-720p) whereas the second one is 1080p]
Yeah but Blu Ray version looks better!
Part of the issue i understand for many is the new consoles are the equivilent of buying a blu ray player to replace their previous DVD player : they didnt do it to watch DVD level resolution.
There are variations obviously, but the message i think is most people dont expect 720p/30fps to becone 720p/60fps with tons more graphics effects. Most seem to want 1080p to be the minimum with stable frame rate and effects as possible to maintain that.
TBH its really the XB1 and MS decisions on design driving a lot of this i think, with a lot of residual dissapointment kicking around. Most games bar a few exceptions are 1080p on PS4 and are either 30fps or 60fps (not many acheiving both) and the fact most games are sub 1080p native on Xbox is cleArly causing a huge focus on resolution and frame rate.
Any dev can hit 1080p, it's just a question of what cost they will be willing to pay. In many costs I would rather have a 720p@60Hz than a 1080p@30Hz, but this does depend on the type of game in question. Either way it's not a massive issue for me, so long as the framerate stays above 30FPS.
On a side note, unless it's a totally different game that shares no assets or designs with the XBox One version, I don't see how it can be developed independently. It may be developed externally, but I think the idea that it won't rely on material common to both versions is just a marketing myth. The XBox One version will have to be designed in a way that makes the 360 version possible - the XBox One devs couldn't go ahead and make a game so complex and massive that it was impossible to develop a 360 version for. There will always be some kind of compromise with cross-generation games (unless we're talking Force Unleashed style development, where we basically got two or more completely different games with the same name).
I'm by no means laying this just on the Forza Horizon 2 devs - there are plenty of devs for other platforms that come out with the same misleading info.
Melchiah
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I'm definitely one of those. I don't want a single game to be below 1080p, even if it means lower framerate and/or lesser effects. The resolution is the main reason why WipEout HD looks good even today.