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5pb - 'XBLA rejected Ketsui and Dodonpachi'
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dr3upmushroom
Banned
Do they say why PSN or Steam are out of the question?
i'm authentically angry about this. as opposed to internet angry. CAVE ACTUALLY CONSENTED TO XBLA PORTS OF NEWISH GAMES -- this could've meant cheap worldwide releases of all kinds of awesome stuff. and microsoft in their ignorance conflated ketsui with fucking frogger or smash tv or whatever, and shot it down to make room for...you know, i'm not even going to point out all the utter garbage on xbla; ketsui has a much better claim to be released than ikaruga, exelica, metal slug, etc., ALL OF WHICH ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE ELSEWHERE AHHHH WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES
MightyHedgehog
Member
Is it time to start a petition? :lol Seriously, email MS. There has to be enough people out there that would gladly pay for these games. I can see those games maybe getting published here eventually, though...it might take a year or two...
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
dr3upmushroom said:
Pretty much all of the 2D shooter releases out now and on the way have the 360 in mind and Steam? Steam?!
Fucking ridiculous. I could have had E FUCKING S FUCKING P FUCKING RA FUCKING DE ON MY FUCKING 360 but OH FUCKING WELL I GUESS.
Somebody update my avatar with a "RIP XBLA 2006-2008" or something.
Technosteve said:
It's really not bad once you get into it, bullet hells for the most part are actually easier than shooters of the past.
Technosteve
Banned
PepsimanVsJoe said:
So you guys enjoy bullet hell shootem ups? I liked Ikaruga cause the play mechanic was pretty awesome and i could beat the first two lvls. But i'm watching DoDonPachi Daioujou - Final Stage right now GAF must have eyesight like an eagle and reflexes of a cobra cause all i see myself doing is moving my arcade stick left to right while getting seizures
Somebody's going to have to pull the covers off the download business in games and explain why it works the way it does, because this level of retardedly selective game approval (PSN and XBLA alike) seems to be playing to everything BUT what should be the strengths of a digital distribution medium and I just don't get it.
rollingstart
Banned
ethelred said:
yeah, but I dont think Nintendo realizes that. I wouldent put it past them to release a 700 meg game without realizing the problem.
The Faceless Master
Member
looks like they forgot where they came from.
"God's Beard!"
Member
_Xenon_ said:
it's not about either quality or quantity, just about money, whoever will sell the most or give the most money directly to microsoft wins
rollingstart
Banned
God's Beard said:
Money and getting even with the competition.
If Bionic Commando Rearmed and SF2HD werent comming out on PS3/PC also, MS wouldent have let Capcom use the extra space.
Cave should teach them a lesson by also releasing them on PSN.
Mefisutoferesu
Member
MS wins either way (good retail sales will "really," as in sarcasm, show how wrong MS was forcing them from live, and live sales would just improve live), so whatever you do, it should be with intention of supporting cave.sp0rsk said:
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Way to shit on the support showed by Cave. If Cave stops supporting the 360 because of this, then thats one less reason to own a 360. Fucking retards.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Oh by the way this is 5pb...not Cave.
Here's the bulk of Cave's contribution to this:
5pb: Hey Cave we want to make some console ports of your games.
Cave: Uh..sure just as long as they're not current releases and you're willing to pay our fat licensing fees.
5pb: Sounds good.
Cave: alright
*end*
And then later on we have 5pb pissed off about Microsoft's shitty handling of XBLA.
5pb guy #1- So what do we do now that MS said no to us putting ports of awesome arcade games on XBLA?
5pb guy #2- Easy. We spend more money publishing retail releases of these games on the 360...that'll show 'em.
5pb guy #1- Makes sense.
Here's the bulk of Cave's contribution to this:
5pb: Hey Cave we want to make some console ports of your games.
Cave: Uh..sure just as long as they're not current releases and you're willing to pay our fat licensing fees.
5pb: Sounds good.
Cave: alright
*end*
And then later on we have 5pb pissed off about Microsoft's shitty handling of XBLA.
5pb guy #1- So what do we do now that MS said no to us putting ports of awesome arcade games on XBLA?
5pb guy #2- Easy. We spend more money publishing retail releases of these games on the 360...that'll show 'em.
5pb guy #1- Makes sense.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
duckroll said:
That reminds me. Success did a fucking amazing job on RFA. Now to sacrifice a thousand horses for a US release. =(
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
duckroll said:
Doh =/
Darkpen said:
Shard said it best. Sony rejected Cave shooters on PSN.
This gen makes very little sense to me. =/
drohne said:
Actually I remember reading this as well..damn..conflicted.
Linkzg said:
A good 75% of Cave's library is already on the PC...
Seriously though how is releasing the games on Steam going to work out?
rollingstart
Banned
Shard said:
things dont make sense anymore.
what about Steam? PC release, come on!
afaik sony never had the opportunity to reject psn releases of cave shooters -- they discouraged arika from doing a ps3 version of ketsui before there was any such thing as psn. i don't know what their policies are like now, but psn doesn't seem particularly open
SlaughterX
Banned
I'd rather have them on disc than on a hard drive, because that way I never have to worry about not being able to play the games on another system, but I'd rather pay $10 than $40... Anyway as long as they come out I don't care, but I have a feeling we won't be getting them in the US anyway...
Just to play devil's advocate a bit....
1. We don't know if 5pb has licensed these for Japan only or worldwide, right? So we can't assume that they'd even be available outside of Japan.
So, with that in mind:
2. How many people in Japan would download it? 5000? 10000? Furthermore, it's a safe bet that the type of people who want to play these games:
a)would be prepared to spend 6000yen on a physical copy
b)would actually prefer to buy a physical copy for their collection (considering the resale price of several low print run shooters....)
3. These aren't "long-tail" games...the fans who care about these 2 games would buy them immediately and then sales would drop off pretty sharply. The same would probably happen if it was on XBLA...it would just sit dormant. It's obvious that MS prefers to put long term earners on XBLA.
4. 5pb dude said that they chose the 2 most promising projects, which means they've licensed more titles, right? Now that 5pb has decided to go disc-based --which automatically raises the price from 1000yen to, let's say, at least 4000yen...so why didn't they chose to release one or two "Cave Anthology" collections?
I'm not defending MS/5pb, just raising a couple thoughts.
don't hurt my bootyhole.
pls.
1. We don't know if 5pb has licensed these for Japan only or worldwide, right? So we can't assume that they'd even be available outside of Japan.
So, with that in mind:
2. How many people in Japan would download it? 5000? 10000? Furthermore, it's a safe bet that the type of people who want to play these games:
a)would be prepared to spend 6000yen on a physical copy
b)would actually prefer to buy a physical copy for their collection (considering the resale price of several low print run shooters....)
3. These aren't "long-tail" games...the fans who care about these 2 games would buy them immediately and then sales would drop off pretty sharply. The same would probably happen if it was on XBLA...it would just sit dormant. It's obvious that MS prefers to put long term earners on XBLA.
4. 5pb dude said that they chose the 2 most promising projects, which means they've licensed more titles, right? Now that 5pb has decided to go disc-based --which automatically raises the price from 1000yen to, let's say, at least 4000yen...so why didn't they chose to release one or two "Cave Anthology" collections?
I'm not defending MS/5pb, just raising a couple thoughts.
don't hurt my bootyhole.
pls.
The guys at MS in charge of XBLA content are so out of touch with gamers and gaming in general.
At first, gamers weren't too keen on remakes of 30 year old arcade games, and wanted more recent stuff like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, NBA Jam, Killer Instinct, etc. Yet they didn't push for that sort of stuff.
Then these archaic arcade games (who do have their niche audience) do horrible as we all predicted, and then MS decides that ALL arcade ports are something to avoid?
MS is just out of touch with reality. It's as if they took the bullshit criticism from that anonymous developer and decided "retro" titles weren't worth it.
Absolute incompetence. What does MS have to lose by getting these titles? Are they worried about the image of XBLA? Well thanks to a lack of marketing...XBLA doesn't have much of an image to begin with!
I'm gonna post this same thing on XBLAH, hehe, because I hope someone at MS reads it!
At first, gamers weren't too keen on remakes of 30 year old arcade games, and wanted more recent stuff like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, NBA Jam, Killer Instinct, etc. Yet they didn't push for that sort of stuff.
Then these archaic arcade games (who do have their niche audience) do horrible as we all predicted, and then MS decides that ALL arcade ports are something to avoid?
MS is just out of touch with reality. It's as if they took the bullshit criticism from that anonymous developer and decided "retro" titles weren't worth it.
Absolute incompetence. What does MS have to lose by getting these titles? Are they worried about the image of XBLA? Well thanks to a lack of marketing...XBLA doesn't have much of an image to begin with!
I'm gonna post this same thing on XBLAH, hehe, because I hope someone at MS reads it!
obsolete said:
Everyone's problem with these being retail releases is that, so far, every single interesting Japanese title has been region-locked. If they were on XBLA, there would have been quite a decent chance of them appearing worldwide, but now they're disc-based it's more likely we won't be able to play them at all.