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60 FPS. Settle for nothing else. Ever.
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..pakbeka..
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why is there a thread with the same title as this one on 4chan?
Speevy, my point is that, even with lower end hardware, we saw a lot of 60 fps on the PS2.Speevy said:
The fact is, however, that the hardware was quite literally incapable of displaying a good number of things the XBOX was doing. It just couldn't do it. They didn't avoid using effects and details in order to get the framerate up to 60 fps, like you seem to be suggesting.
Some of the best looking XBOX games ran at 60 fps and were all Japanese developed.
R&C3 *IS* detailed, though. I'm not sure how you could think otherwise. The game serves up detailed levels on a large scale.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
X26 said:
Yup.
In the end, it's all about optimization or lack thereof. Damn those deadlines.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Give me a great game like GTA and I couldn't care less about framerate. Framerate is what people care about when the game isn't good enough to engage them.
Yeah, 60fps is pretty. Better to have it than not. Want to see more of it. And untimately, it doesn't matter.
Yeah, 60fps is pretty. Better to have it than not. Want to see more of it. And untimately, it doesn't matter.
Larry Bird
Member
IAWTPDrinky Crow said:
tanasten
glad to heard people isn't stupid anymore
agent069 said:I wasn't a framerate whore back in the N64 days, it's because of the Gamecube, I used to have just a Gamecube, I was waiting for a pricedrop, eventually the devil 30 fps Xbox made its way to my home. And it's while playing Halo that I realised, 30 fps ftl, I was so use to Timesplitters and F Zero GX that I couldn't enjoy anything, and so on with every ****in Xbox AAA Title (except the godly Rallysport 2 and Ninja Gaiden), so I exenged it fot a PS2, I had the 60 fps back, but I got terrible aliasing too!
I wanted to comme back to Gamecube, but there was no game to playEventually I played SOTC, it had everything to please me, shitty framerate + uber aliasing, one of the worst looking game imo. It has a wonderful style, an impressive engine and all, but it's so ugly :lol Great game though.
Go play Fire Emblem and Paper Mario. They're 60 FPS!
(and GREAT GAMES)AlanHemberger
Banned
STFUDrinky Crow said:
thnx
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Can someone explain to me why there's hate toward those that want the best out of their gaming experiences? I mean, damn. It's not like fluidity is a bad thing.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
dark10x said:
Agreed 100%. I am only reacting to the attitude that if it isn't 60fps, it's crap, as was stated in the original post. I saw somebody slam GTA on the way past, and that ws enough to prompt me to post.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
It didn't say that at all, but that it should become mandatory. Like higher definition is on Xbox 360, except you don't need to buy an HD set to tell the difference.Ignatz Mouse said:
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Check out the thread title, though.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
The thread title is a message to developers.
A high five to drinky crow on this subject. 60 Frames Per Second should indeed be mandatory for action games but consistent frame rate can be equally as important. A frame rate that chugs can really hurt phenomenal games (cough Shadow Of The Colossus cough Snake Eater cough). So, a rock solid consistent 60 FPS is what is truly desired as opposed to a 60 FPS that likes to dip every so often. I'm crossing my fingers for 60 FPS to be applied to Too Human.
I understand that you and dark10x feel that the best-looking games on the PS2 are 60fps, but I just don't agree with that.
Shadow of the Colossus is gorgeous, and it would never reach 60fps in the hands of any developer with any amount of time. The same goes for Metal Gear Solid 3, which completely trounces MGS2 visually.
Then you have something like Earth Defense Force 2, which wouldn't even begin to play the same if all the needed 60fps tradeoffs were made.
Of course 60fps is wonderful. Of course talented developers can squeeze out something that looks amazing given the limitations it imposes, both on effects and design. But what's wrong with leaving it up to the developers to balance? Why assume that, given more talent and more time, any 30fps game could eventually be made 60? And furthermore, why assume that newer hardware automatically means that more developers will aim for 60?
I just don't get it.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Exactly. Framerate consistency is more important than just arbitrarily making everything 60fps. Some games-types, of course, need 60 more than others. The fact of the matter is that people want everything and they want it perfect. That's not possible. So, the compromise has to be made if the game is to get everything more important done and solid before it needs to ship.Tain said:
fly high ~ayunite~
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Does this mean you'll be getting a Wii to play TP at 60fps?
Illuminati
Member
You haven't experienced a truely great framerate until you play Quake 3 on a modern day computer with a high-end graphics card with v-sync disabled. It gives me a headache.
jett said:Haha I was just kidding
By the way, I remember a while ago you said something about developing a Sin City game. Was that project canned?
We're still working on setting up the Sin City game! Hopefully will have something to announce soon.
And btw Stbz are shooting for 60fps with The Darkness so frame rate whores, breath easy.
tanasten
glad to heard people isn't stupid anymore
30 or 60 doesn't matter really. 60 are much more pretty and when scrolling everything looks much clear, but if the action keeps at a slow/correct speed, there's no problem at all playing a 30 FPS game.
So, it's OK meanwhile the speed of the action keeps fine with the framerate.
So, it's OK meanwhile the speed of the action keeps fine with the framerate.
Well, my favorite is when Bizarre said that they were aiming for 60fps all along the development of PGR. When TGS came around and the build was still running at 30fps, I knew it was nothing but BS. They stuck to this 60fps line because they wanted people to stay off their back.
But if you think the line was actually true, then they are bitter failures at game developing. When the game was finished, it didn't even run at a solid 30fps so they had to lower the resolution of the game. If they claim that they are targeting 60fps for PGR4, I will just disregard it.
When I first heard that Forza 2 was to run at 60fps, I was very skeptical. MS seems to believe 30fps is supperior as shown by 100% of their first party games being 30fps. It almost seems like it requires tallent that a lot of teams don't have to make a game run at 60fps. Anywho, I am pretty certain that Forza 2 will actually be 60fps now because they seem to be making it a selling point that time rather than taking the Bizarre and never mentioning it and when asked about it, nearly ducking the question.
But if you think the line was actually true, then they are bitter failures at game developing. When the game was finished, it didn't even run at a solid 30fps so they had to lower the resolution of the game. If they claim that they are targeting 60fps for PGR4, I will just disregard it.
When I first heard that Forza 2 was to run at 60fps, I was very skeptical. MS seems to believe 30fps is supperior as shown by 100% of their first party games being 30fps. It almost seems like it requires tallent that a lot of teams don't have to make a game run at 60fps. Anywho, I am pretty certain that Forza 2 will actually be 60fps now because they seem to be making it a selling point that time rather than taking the Bizarre and never mentioning it and when asked about it, nearly ducking the question.
firefoxsux
Banned
all pc games can make 60fps on an average of all average pc.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Well, everything is skill to some extent. But whether your game's graphics will put an emphasis on fluidity or prettier stills certainly seems a design decision. The most important skill in making a 60 fps game would be to just not overload every frame with polygons and taxing tricks. Of course it is the most skilled and talented groups who end up with a product that does both.dark10x said:
dirtmonkey37
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Dimmuxx said:
Damn, NES games are in 60fps, lets at least make next gen games in 60fps.
Screw the extra polys you can put on, either do it in 60fps or learn to program a more efficient game engine. I'm sick of 30fps.
It's just retarded.
There is a limit to what certain hardware can achieve...but the fact that so many early 360 games are barely holding 30 fps is just plain sad.ELS-01X said:No, you have always 60 fps in every single game because you can always scale back content. So it really is independent of talent. Or are you saying that team Kojima lost its talent while making MGS3?
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
That reminds me of how I would love to see a Red Faction III on PS3. I think they can do great things with this game if they would make the enviroments even more intractable. The frame rate should be a SOLID 60 FPS. Just my thoughts.
There's also a limit on what developers can do in a certain amount of time, specially with a new piece of hardware. They could always scale the graphics back to achieve a higher framerate, but they obviously don't want to. But even if they could have a lot more time to optimize their code, they could and probably use it to add even more polygons, effects, etc instead of upping the framerate. So again, it's matter of choice, not talent or skill.dark10x said:
dark10x said:
Keep in mind that the first games doesn't receive long devellopment cycles and they also receive less budget because there's isn't enough stats out there to justify more risk (since the console is new).
This is mainly why most first year games sucks on pretty much any console ever.
