Hahaha that makes no sense, that would contradict the contract clearly stating that can't discuss it. Les grand sigh.
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Hahaha that makes no sense, that would contradict the contract clearly stating that can't discuss it. Les grand sigh.
enanogrande
Member
That is some bullshit Erik.
SwiftDeath
Member
Oh wow ethics don't apply to anyone who isn't a journalist
WHAT?
WHAT?
illmatic22
Banned
Erik is excellent as his job, if nothing else. I respect that, kind of.
The non-disclosure part of the agreement is not there with other other similar promotions. Not only is the disclosure part missing, the non-discloure agreement is different.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I wonder how many of these contracts, if any, were signed by Sessler.
Night Angel
Member
In their fucking contract.
Proof that you read NONE of the OP in that other thread. Grats.
BRocknRolla
Member
"I think we can debate ethics all day long..."
"Where I stand is, I don't want to take away through regulation the ability of somebody like Recon to talk about something he likes".
I'm dying. Seriously, I could see this guy saying this. These are some of the sleaziest things I've heard out of a PR person. How anyone can be convinced by it is baffling.
BLOWING my mind right now, holy shit. Get this Erik guy off the show, dammit.
Metalingus5150
Member
Get this Erik guy out of here!!
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
What I find more messed up is the fact that these huge companies are trying to save some money in their pocket by going to these smaller YouTube guys and paying them minimum wage to back their product while they still get back maximum profit. When Erik mentioned that these companies are seeing these youtubers as influence and are now looking to them to start their marketing campaigns, that was just extremely disgusting to me. It's like they really don't know how to discuss their own products so they semi employ these guys temp who are going to in a very bias way and then don't give them anything amazing back in return. It's like what?
Yeah, that's the low point of the whole video up till now.
They're not journalist so ethics don't apply! Sure.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
SwiftDeath
Member
Go rob go rob it's your birthday
Back on topic bitches!
Yep meet erik spinmeister extraordinaire
Back on topic bitches!
Yep meet erik spinmeister extraordinaire
haha I don't have time to wade through all of that bickering... that's why I am asking you well informed posters as I listen to this youtube for more information from the people involved
Phrozenflame500
Member
Back on topic, hopefully. The disclosure is the real issue here.
yep - the pr guy on there is a real piece of work
I actually think it's good that he's there. You get a real sense of just how bad it is.
I forget the exact quote, but it was something along the liens of "Most Youtubers do not consider themselves journalists, therefore ethics do not apply"
Sentient Mushroom indeed.
RedNumberFive
Banned
This is too painful to watch. I'm out. I really don't get what you guys see in Sessler.
Which is why I have a hard time watching these kind of topical live chat videos. So fuckin frustrating when they just won't talk about the core of the issue.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Finally they touched upon the non-disclosure.
But sessler is kinda moving away from it.
But sessler is kinda moving away from it.
enanogrande
Member
Jesus Christ Sessler. The minute they start to get back on topic, you move them back off it.
Night Angel
Member
Not exactly that, but Erik did say that those who aren't journalists don't have to have the same standards as journalists.
He's being doing that the entire livestream...someone please make him shut up.
^ What a surprise, Sessler once again tries to find a way to avoid taking on the hard issue head-on!
There was a right side on some of what happened this past year. False equivalency are for people afraid to take the plunge.
I don't need people to confirm my beliefs - I need people to not be pathetically transparent individuals who consistently showcase a profound misunderstanding of the issues at hand whilst simultaneously insulting their entire audience because he can't take the heat when virtually everyone on the internet calls him on it.
People who don't suddenly try to downplay an issue the second it begins to impact a certain company, even when they previously had demanded that those systems better be doing that precise thing. Who vigorously defended the nickle and diming microtransactions in a certain game that were universally criticized by all corners of the industry to such a degree that the company was forced to change the entire structure of system, who so completely missed the point during the DRM scandal that he tried to act like the whole problem gamers had was merely 'messaging', to say nothing of how many times he made snide tweets about how everyone didn't "get" what MS was going for. And he tries to downplay all this, while having the most pathetic baby freak out saying he may have to leave the industry over Sony not considering him big enough to get a special PS4 unit only given out to the biggest publications.
But as an aside, I spent like a billion threads deconstructing every ridiculous point pushed by him and fighting against every obscene policy change of the past year. It has nothing to do with not wanting to hear things that don't conform to my own beliefs. I am infamous for my preference of predominately participating in conversations where people disagree with me, since that is more interesting than circle jerks. What I am not going to do, however, is pretend someone isn't wrong when they are wrong.
There was a right side on some of what happened this past year. False equivalency are for people afraid to take the plunge.
I don't need people to confirm my beliefs - I need people to not be pathetically transparent individuals who consistently showcase a profound misunderstanding of the issues at hand whilst simultaneously insulting their entire audience because he can't take the heat when virtually everyone on the internet calls him on it.
People who don't suddenly try to downplay an issue the second it begins to impact a certain company, even when they previously had demanded that those systems better be doing that precise thing. Who vigorously defended the nickle and diming microtransactions in a certain game that were universally criticized by all corners of the industry to such a degree that the company was forced to change the entire structure of system, who so completely missed the point during the DRM scandal that he tried to act like the whole problem gamers had was merely 'messaging', to say nothing of how many times he made snide tweets about how everyone didn't "get" what MS was going for. And he tries to downplay all this, while having the most pathetic baby freak out saying he may have to leave the industry over Sony not considering him big enough to get a special PS4 unit only given out to the biggest publications.
But as an aside, I spent like a billion threads deconstructing every ridiculous point pushed by him and fighting against every obscene policy change of the past year. It has nothing to do with not wanting to hear things that don't conform to my own beliefs. I am infamous for my preference of predominately participating in conversations where people disagree with me, since that is more interesting than circle jerks. What I am not going to do, however, is pretend someone isn't wrong when they are wrong.
Chobel
Member
Here's the part you're looking for in the agreement document
5. CONFIDENTIALITY
You agree to keep confidential at all times all matters relating to this Agreement, including, without limitation, the Promotional Requirements, and the CPM Compensation, listed above. You understand that You may not post a copy of this Agreement or any terms thereof online or share them with any third party (other than a legal or financial representative). You agree that You have read the Nondisclosure Agreement (attached hereto and marked as Exhibit “A”and You understand and agree to all of terms of the Nondisclosure Agreement, which is incorporated as part of this Agreement.
Yes, it came from the PR guy they invited onto the show who ALSO works with EA! Imagine that.
Real smooth move to involve a PR guy on the discussion. I don't think it was a good idea, even if it gives a different perspective his opinions are god awful and aren't reflective or seem to be very aware of what the actual issue is.
Schrade
Member
No fucking kidding. Goddammit Sessler... he steers them off the shit that needs to be talked about. He's done this before with Microsoft "issues" as well.
SwiftDeath
Member
Love Jason and Rob so far
Totalbiscuit too
Totalbiscuit too
NullPointer
Member
If only there were existing guidelines we could refer to.
BRocknRolla
Member
Sessler, thanks for pointing out that the government is inefficient and doesn't have the resources to track down people getting paid to give positive press to video games on their youtube channels.
Now, if we could please actually talk about the topic...
Now, if we could please actually talk about the topic...
IAmRandom31
Banned
Does no one understand that it is illegal to pay someone off and keep it quiet that they are being paid to give their " opinion "? Even moreso when forced to keep the opinion positive ? It is the very basic stuff the FTC was built for, this exact thing.
Listening to people it sounds they want a biscuit or a pat on the back for not joining in.
Listening to people it sounds they want a biscuit or a pat on the back for not joining in.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Jason's cup and string connection "gave out"
...what?
bwhahaha..