Fair enough.
Much respect Albert for trying to clarify this. I personally will wait for the games and direct Face-off to satisfy my superiority needs
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Albert Penello puts dGPU Xbox One rumor to rest
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Fair enough.
Much respect Albert for trying to clarify this. I personally will wait for the games and direct Face-off to satisfy my superiority needs
lol, this made me chuckle.
I covered this in my post above. They can be added in the sense that you can use both simultaneously, but you are still limited to the ram amounts of the said types. For example, the 8GB of DDR3 will always be limited to 68gb/s even if the Esram has faster bandwidth. The latter Esram only has the bandwidth for use with 32mb, though as stated, it can be used in conjunction with the 8GB of slower DDR3.
BleachAndPepsi
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Okay so flat out: What have you been hearing from devs regarding performance differences? No numbers. No math. Just info straight from the sources that matter.
Because from literally every development source that's come forward, all we've heard is that PS4 is the more capable machine. Every third party kiosk at every trade show that I've seen, heard about, or read about has been displaying their multiplatform games on PC or PS4 machines/kits. That, in and of itself, seems far more telling than any numbers anyone wants to toss out there.
Is there a reason for this that isn't the obvious "PS4 is more capable"?
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Deleted member 80556
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It's worrisome that when we have actual concerns, and almost no one is being aggressive, he suddenly says that we're not going to be convinced as if we had been telling him we didn't believe him just because.
We instead brought up actual doubts on his points, and his only answer is that he won't comment on anything else on the topic. How do you think that reflects on his previous posts?
BlazingDarkness
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Well, that went down like a sack of shit.
Thanks for the candid discussion though, Albert.
Thanks for the candid discussion though, Albert.
statham
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Your not going to change peoples views now without product. Let the games show how comparable they are. If your numbers are correct, people won't believe until they see it themselves. BTW is it true BF4 is more polished on XB1?
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Thanks for being part of the discussion as someone from MS, in all seriousness, that's rare.
At the same time its rare because this is a perfect example of why your type is usually on a shorter PR leash. If you can't state facts, but only this I work for the company and know a guy, well then, maybe it's better you didn't say anything. I really question the integrity of these types of posts and the company you speak for (whether "the things I post do not represent my company" or not). I wonder how much more harm you're doing than any good. I don't think you understand your audience on top of all of that.
It sucks. I would like if people in the know could post more, but I guess it should be all or nothing. Or CBOAT.
Can Crusher
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The problem is that you aren't explaining much of anything. And if MS has any interest in a technical discussion they wouldn't have you playing broken phone with a Technical fellow. Essentially you don't allow much of a back and forth at all, therefore controlling the discussion as you see fit.
And then the real problem is when you spend most of your time dancing around intent and messaging, and nobody actually cares about that. This whole close to the fan is straight from the text book, but aside from getting cheered by the odd couple of posters, all you're doing is raising more questions and not actually answering them. We don't care about the company line, we simply want to know the actual details.
No need. I could see how it could be seen as directed at you with the lack of quoting.
Hopefully you don't take my correction the wrong way... I am not too sure why it bugged me enough to mention it!
Damn. And we are done here.
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Deleted member 80556
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His numbers don't make sense, that's why we were arguing with him.
The math on the numbers he provided us contradicts each other.
Well perhaps an even better strategy would be to not comment on graphics at all. Say "let the games speak for themselves and that they are confident in their machine" and instead focus on the others things.
There honestly is more to gaming than graphics. I think most gamers believe this and will move on from graphic obsession once the launch passes. Until then I would be mum on graphics if I were Microsoft.
No...just no. Don't use a game with horrible draw distance, pop-up, and texture problems as proof. Most games are still in Alpha.
Lets wait until we see some cross-platform games.
And Black Tusks game looks better than infamous soooo...
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Not really, looks comparable to watch_dogs
lostsouldier
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Im more eager to see Microsoft downplay Sony's VR device by comparing it to some lameass Google Glass ripoff (Fortaleza)
That will be a more interesting battle than the spec war.
That will be a more interesting battle than the spec war.
I think those expecting big differences at launch are going to be disappointed personally. At launch devs are never climatised to the new hardware, and add to that we don't know how the development schedule and resources were shared among the different platforms, which is doubly important so early on.
Those judging either console's final potential off the launch games are also absolutely fooling themselves. Just as a quick reminder...
Launch games versus later cycle games.
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PS2 launch games.
PS2 later cycle games.
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360 launch games
360 later cycle games
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PS3 launch games
PS3 later cycle games
Those judging either console's final potential off the launch games are also absolutely fooling themselves. Just as a quick reminder...
Launch games versus later cycle games.
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PS2 launch games.
PS2 later cycle games.
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360 launch games
360 later cycle games
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PS3 launch games
PS3 later cycle games
Well it's highly doubtful that a guy like spdif pointed out "Senior Technical Fellow at MS" would want to slum with us to try and spend his time addressing some of the nonsense.
Again not the guy Albert referenced but an example of the expertise we are discussing
It is literally impossible for all of his numbers to be correct, because mathematically they contradict each other, as per bullet points 1 and 2.
Everything else I defer to people that have more technical knowledge than I do -- but that alone raised a giant red flag for me, personally.
So wait, in the end, Albert's posts on this topic appear to have been just more MS PR? GAF > FUD yet again.
I am convinced that there was a high level meeting shortly after MS' Xbone reveal, in the midst of all of the backlash, where MS decided to launch the one of their biggest PR campaigns to fix the damage that had been done. That campaign clearly included social media and its likely both Nelson and Albert and their comments here are part of that campaign. Sorry, but I don't buy them all of a sudden wanting to join GAF.
And if all of this true, I certainly do not blame them, they work for MS and that's their job. What bothers me is the disingenuous attitude sometimes displayed: "We're her to clarify some misconceptions about the Xbone" then spread FUD. They are much better off admitting the power advantage of the PS4, but making the case that the Xbone's exclusives are better, which is not something PS4's power can address, etc.
I am convinced that there was a high level meeting shortly after MS' Xbone reveal, in the midst of all of the backlash, where MS decided to launch the one of their biggest PR campaigns to fix the damage that had been done. That campaign clearly included social media and its likely both Nelson and Albert and their comments here are part of that campaign. Sorry, but I don't buy them all of a sudden wanting to join GAF.
And if all of this true, I certainly do not blame them, they work for MS and that's their job. What bothers me is the disingenuous attitude sometimes displayed: "We're her to clarify some misconceptions about the Xbone" then spread FUD. They are much better off admitting the power advantage of the PS4, but making the case that the Xbone's exclusives are better, which is not something PS4's power can address, etc.
He's just relaying info. I don't see what's so hard about understanding that. He's not replying to the technical talk because he's not versed in it, just only the questions he went over with the Fellow. If he were an engineer I would be looking at this differently, but he's not.
Tell me more. All I saw was a 5 second cutscene from it months ago.
B_Boss
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At least there is a disclaimer:
Which works for understanding the XB1 but as for understanding the PS4 well enough to give such concrete (and seemingly odd math) is dubious at best.
OMG what a piece of art we have here :O
Which again has only be shown on ps4. So....
His name. kek
By the way, I think saying the truth will come out based on launch titles is incredibly disingenuous.
For one, they will both be brand new systems with software that's incredibly time-constrained.
I can already see the threads and posts saying "MS was right all along" once a few third party games run very similarly on both machines, but that will mean very little, if anything at all.
This is a long run question -- and it's precisely why people are asking for more details and clarifications on the contradictions, so we can have a better picture of the long run.
For one, they will both be brand new systems with software that's incredibly time-constrained.
I can already see the threads and posts saying "MS was right all along" once a few third party games run very similarly on both machines, but that will mean very little, if anything at all.
This is a long run question -- and it's precisely why people are asking for more details and clarifications on the contradictions, so we can have a better picture of the long run.
anexanhume
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Your comments about execution resources simply isn't true. Even with 250W monster GPUs, you can see 100% SLI/Crossfire scaling in real world scenarios (game benchmarks). That's because graphics workloads by their nature are EXTREMELY highly parallel. You're obfuscating if you say otherwise.
What? No. Sorry, but no.
This.
I respect your involvement with the community here, Albert. It's not working in your favor though when you post a bunch of one-sided/false bullet points and back them up with "I talked to our Technical Fellow, believe him!" when pressed on certain statements.
Puppet Shadow
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Oh, I wouldn't go that far. I can appreciate how hard it is when you're in a position of having to rely on other someone else's technical information to get a PR message across. He still comes across to me as a sincere guy, just trying to do his job. I much prefer him to Major Nelson, whom is a little too condescending for my taste.
LittleJohnny
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Exactly, I think that's the general consensus. The real question is how much this difference really is.
IMO its like GameCube vs Xbox but to an even lesser degree, after all we're talking about two GPUs with the same feature set, not one with compliance closer to DX7 with no programmable shaders vs Xbox fully programmable DX8.1 and significantly bigger memory pool. The system's are closer than most think.
But Major Nelson never asked to join GAF during this period, he apparently tried a couple of times previously then stopped trying and then Evilore activated his account once he found out this was the case or something like that.
MS engineers need to go back to school.
True.
Now imagine if we could force everyone to wait 3-4 years before coming to a conclusion.
LOL
The impatient implode/explode.
LiquidMetal14
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Even with what we know, people should not be expecting a ton of difference for cross gen launch titles. I know people will be looking to find victories here and there but you should really wait for games which have had more time to cook under the new HW banners. This is why something like KZ and Order 1866 look quite good but they are a little bit away. We haven't even seen several new games from some of Sony's best teams.
Exactly only a deluded console warrior would not be able to admit that the PS4 has the better hardware. My only point of contention is how obvious these differences are.
Just want to make a post saying this.
GAF I have absolutely no knowledge on specs and stuff, but this post made sense to me, so I believe Albert.
I see some GAF users calling Albert out, I'd like to request that anyone who wants to discredit Albert, makes a detailed post doing it, those are easier to understand and make sense of. Hehe.
Seriously, just seeing posts saying he's wrong don't help much.
Then mission accomplished! The whole point of posts like that is to take advantage of ignorance.
Also people have explained why it was wrong. Just because something is laid out in an easy to read way doesn't mean it's correct.
Dead Prince
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but at least we only have 2 months to go lol.
So true! Alberts statement didn't help at all clarifying WHY exactly the power difference is greatly overstated.
I believe Albert is a sincere guy. He believes what he says, he believes in his product. He is trying hard to convince us to feel as strongly about it as he does. I just don't think he's going about it the right way. Though to be fair, people are really focused on graphics right now and it keeps getting brought up but I would be more interested in learning about what Xbox One offers that I simply cannot get from a PS4. And no, Kinect doesn't seem to resonate well with this audience either.
Up to earlier today I would completely agree with you.
But when questions about basic algebra are not addressed without an appeal to authority, it becomes much, much harder to claim sincerity. Even as a PR guy, I would have personally checked the list of bullet points for internal consistency before posting it, regardless of technical knowledge.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt with respect to technical issues -- I will not do the same for logical ones.
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