Xenon
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You know, just because people point out something is not racist doesn't mean they are dismissing all claims of racism and racial issues.
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Alex Hutchinson on Farcry 4: Guy on box is not white, not the playable character
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You know, just because people point out something is not racist doesn't mean they are dismissing all claims of racism and racial issues.
Ditto.
Context? Waiting to get the whole story beyond a single, innocuous image? Nah. Let's go on Twitter, jump to conclusions, and scream bloody murder. I don't mind talking about social issues in games, but it is clear some of these websites and certain journalists are using the issue for cheap click bait.
Graphics Horse
Member
OK that's going too far lol. He has the grenade pin on his finger and is making the guy hold the unpinned grenade.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
I'm someone very interested in depiction of race, colonialism and subliminal white power but I never saw the problem with the Far Cry 4 cover.
If it WAS a white guy, yeah, I think there would be valid claims to it being a problematic image. But I immediately saw the guy as being East Asian in appearance.
I wish people had taken more time to zoom into his face. I'm more annoyed though that the usual suspects will now use this as ammo for "lol SJWs" and "PC gone too far" against perfectly valid discussion.
If it WAS a white guy, yeah, I think there would be valid claims to it being a problematic image. But I immediately saw the guy as being East Asian in appearance.
I wish people had taken more time to zoom into his face. I'm more annoyed though that the usual suspects will now use this as ammo for "lol SJWs" and "PC gone too far" against perfectly valid discussion.
Guy was OBVIOUSLY not white, as was pointed out by the minority of sane people posting int he previous thread.
Garcia FUCKING Hotspur
You want to talk about underrepresented or misrepresented ethnic groups in games, Hispanics have it the fucking worst. I was so happy to have a game with this fucking guy in it, even if he was a huge walking cliche. Too bad we'll never see a sequel.
Garcia FUCKING Hotspur
You want to talk about underrepresented or misrepresented ethnic groups in games, Hispanics have it the fucking worst. I was so happy to have a game with this fucking guy in it, even if he was a huge walking cliche. Too bad we'll never see a sequel.
chugen
Member
total overdose i think
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Dom from Gears of War was space-Hispanic.
block tower
Member
FunkyLounge
Member
The thing he's sitting on is made of stone.
Just clearing out other stuff, if someone didn't notice.
Also, the Far Cry logo is white while the number 4 is colored in red.
Just clearing out other stuff, if someone didn't notice.
Also, the Far Cry logo is white while the number 4 is colored in red.
It's actually a dark orange compared to Far Cry 3's red.
I like this, what else "needs" to be pointed out?
I ain't talking about everybody in this thread, but making a general comment on posts like these.
Hyperbole and strawmen posts. I just didn't want to take the time to highlight them.
I think it's interesting how upset people are that others had a reaction this image. The idea that people should hold reactions until they see more of the game kind of misses the point of what a reaction is.
I was disappointed when I saw this art a week or two ago. The way that race, wealth, and privilege were handled in Farcry 3 was the reason I stopped playing Farcry 3, despite the fact that I really enjoyed the game mechanics. Seeing this image of Farcry 4, instead of showing me that they were going in a different direction thematically, showed me that they're going to be dealing with similar themes. I had an immediate gut reaction to the image, not because I found the image itself racist, but because I don't trust these guys to handle issues of class or race and if they're going for rich man holding poor man down--If this is the one image they chose to showcase their game--I fear we're just going to get a repeat of Farcry 3, which again I found offensive on many levels.
Hope I'm wrong, hope this was just a poor image choice, hope the game winds up good, but I'm less hopeful than I was before this image was released.
I was disappointed when I saw this art a week or two ago. The way that race, wealth, and privilege were handled in Farcry 3 was the reason I stopped playing Farcry 3, despite the fact that I really enjoyed the game mechanics. Seeing this image of Farcry 4, instead of showing me that they were going in a different direction thematically, showed me that they're going to be dealing with similar themes. I had an immediate gut reaction to the image, not because I found the image itself racist, but because I don't trust these guys to handle issues of class or race and if they're going for rich man holding poor man down--If this is the one image they chose to showcase their game--I fear we're just going to get a repeat of Farcry 3, which again I found offensive on many levels.
Hope I'm wrong, hope this was just a poor image choice, hope the game winds up good, but I'm less hopeful than I was before this image was released.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
Dude looks like Anders Breivik.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Gold.
A non-white, flamboyantly dressed and coiffed would-be ruler (sitting in a pre-modern throne) against the backdrop of one of the most exoticized locales in the Western imagination. What conclusions does he expect us not to jump to? Sometimes game designers can't help but sound like big, ignorant dumbheads.
pretty much, and as predicted.
ricardokenshin
Member
yup couldn't agree more with you there. That's the reason I hope they make a Hellghast killzone so I can find Rico and finally end him.
Why are people jumping to conclusions when they've only seen the cover?
Morphine_OD
Banned
You can make a hispanic hero in modern RPGs, also Cortez and Vega from ME, Shadows of the Damned has featured a hispanic hero.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
And what is that exactly. I warn you to answer carefully. A depiction of racism or imagery of subjugation is not the same as promoting or glorying those ideas. You need a lot more context or a much more blatant message than that.
A concept many seem to have trouble with.
Hey... FarCry 4 is coming
Its set in the Himalayas
This is the villain
We will show more at e3.
There are no conclusions to "jump to" since it's pretty plain already. It's an image that trafficks in ridiculously typical stereotypes. I don't see how it can possibly be "misread" or "misconstrued." It already is dripping with historical, cultural, political, racial context. I can't imagine what additional information the game can provide that will change that.
There is indeed a big difference (though I'm not sure what it means to "warn me"). Citing or quoting stereotypes doesn't make them politically neutral. Quite the contrary. And the absence of any obvious self-consciousness (or "quotation marks") makes it even worse. Why release this image at all if the game is "intentionally deploying" stereotypes in order to dismantle them? Clearly this was done with no forethought or political awareness.
Whenever someone says you can design a character with a certain race in modern games, it always comes off to me as "you can pretend that other races are represented in your media." Changing the skin tone on a slider is not the same as a character/game/theme being written with your culture in mind.
Dead Rising 3's main char is Mexican.
I forgot about that. Yep, walking cliche but I liked the game, and the character.
Oh god. So with these two clowns and Garcia, it's pretty evident no one knows how to make a competent Hispanic protag.
I meant more of a set in stone character. Like San Andreas has Carl, Wolfenstein has BJ, etc.
Vega was the worst, and they couldn't even bother to get a hispanic person to voice him.
Cortez is decent for a hispanic. I guess that's only because they didn't know how to make a stereotypical gay hispanic, so they only went with gay.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I dunno guys, still looks pretty white to me.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
But his wife is called Maria. What more could you want?
Alcoholikaust
Member
haha that's what I figured. we were wrong I guess
SPACECADET
Member
i thought the guy looked more german or norwegian.
n00bsauce87
Member
Angelus Errare
Banned
Not a problem, when white people feel offended we can simply tell them.
-"You're a racist for thinking that's racist!"
-"If we ignore it, it will eventually go away"
-"I don't see race"
-"This isn't racism, it's just someone being ignorant"
-"It's getting better, stop complaining and simply make your own game/movie/TV show"
-"If you don't like it, then you can always move"
ad nauseam.
Just Cause guy, pretty stereotypical but the game was supposed to be satirical...
Breakfast at Noon
Member
So its ok for a other race to be holding that guy down but not a white guy? NOW that is racist.
stufte
Member
Rico Rodriguez from Just Cause(2), off of the top of my head.
tokyostomp
Banned
Protagonist will likely be 99.99% White/Caucasian.
Guy with pink suit is king/dictator/whatever.
Kneeling guy is a captured rebel.
Both characters on box art are not white.
Guy with pink suit is king/dictator/whatever.
Kneeling guy is a captured rebel.
Both characters on box art are not white.
Katzenjammer
Member
But did you try zooming in 2000%?Looks pretty white to me.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
I thought he was that white guy on the preorder page holding a big gun like it was his dick, kinda looked like a biker.
He looks fun.
http://www.vgblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/15/FarCry4-Preorder.jpg
tokyostomp
Banned
I am shocked!
Name of PC, why you are in Himalayas, and who pinkie is:
You are Ajay Ghale. Traveling to Kyrat to fulfill your mothers dying wish, you find yourself caught up in a civil war to overthrow the oppressive regime of dictator Pagan Min
Carrie Fernandez from Castlevania 64?
What did Freddie Prinze, Jr. do to get his Hispanic card revoked?
Well uhmmm
Because it's NeoGAF.
I'll tell you why the cover art doesn't make sense because a Gurkha wouldn't let some cunt in a pink suit get him on his knees. He'd stick him with his Kukri or die trying. Gurkhas are badass.
I would seriously love to see Ubisoft have the main character as a Gurkha and it would suit the character using weapons, explosives etc. Just please don't have Troy Baker doing a 'foreign' voice or something along those lines.
I would seriously love to see Ubisoft have the main character as a Gurkha and it would suit the character using weapons, explosives etc. Just please don't have Troy Baker doing a 'foreign' voice or something along those lines.
There is Unrest by Pyrodactyl Games. http://pyrodactyl.com/
An adventure game with RPG elements and full of quite well written characters I believe.
Nealand Liquor
Member
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