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Alienware Alpha first impressions and benchmarks

Seanspeed

Banned
It's weird that outside of Alienware's marketing some people actually refer to this as a console. It's just a custom PC. You can force Steam to boot up in big picture mode on a regular Windows PC. And if you want to play other big titles from other companies (AssCreed, Far Cry, Titanfall) you have to ditch your controller, go into desktop mode and start installing other clients.

This has nothing to do with consoles outside its form factor, but that would be calling laptop consoles too.
Laptops have displays and are named so because they are literally designed as PC's you can use on your lap.

I think using the term 'console' is applicable here. It obviously would do them well to avoid using that term in other discussions where its likely to just confuse people, but in the context of this discussion, where people know they're talking about, it shouldn't be an issue.
 
A custom UI on top of windows is what SteamOS should have aimed for to begin with. Dropping windows and losing 95% of the Steam library is a stupid tradeoff, they could have made a layer that sits on top and still retains all the games.
 
The age of the mini-gaming PC has been upon us for a few years now.

But I'm worried a lot of these machines being hyped now will be quickly having problems due to the increased VRAM requirements for games.

Same with gaming laptops.
980M/970M and 880M/870M all have versions with at least 6GB of vram or more which will be enough for this generation of 1080p gaming.

Gaming laptops have issues with CPU throttling.
 
Set this thing up at work yesterday, seemed to lag a fair bit in the UI at 1080.

EDIT: I might this was after installing awesomenaughts or however you say it, like I left the game and it just lagged out, had to reset the device. Also took a fucking eternity to set up at work because of our shitty wifi.

$1298 Australian though, I could buy 2 playstation 4's and a few games, that's after the bundles give me 4 or 5 games each so this Alpha idea is beyond me, not for the performance you are getting.
 

orava

Member
Set this thing up at work yesterday, seemed to lag a fair bit in the UI at 1080.

EDIT: I might this was after installing awesomenaughts or however you say it, like I left the game and it just lagged out, had to reset the device. Also took a fucking eternity to set up at work because of our shitty wifi.

$1298 Australian though, I could buy 2 playstation 4's and a few games, that's after the bundles give me 4 or 5 games each so this Alpha idea is beyond me, not for the performance you are getting.

Even if you buy ten PS4's, you don't get a single PC out of them.
 

Seanspeed

Banned
Set this thing up at work yesterday, seemed to lag a fair bit in the UI at 1080.

EDIT: I might this was after installing awesomenaughts or however you say it, like I left the game and it just lagged out, had to reset the device. Also took a fucking eternity to set up at work because of our shitty wifi.

$1298 Australian though, I could buy 2 playstation 4's and a few games, that's after the bundles give me 4 or 5 games each so this Alpha idea is beyond me, not for the performance you are getting.
Well its a bad deal in Australia folks, shut it down!
 
Bump: It's here!

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first note: There is no way that the 360 controller dongle will fit in the hidden accessory port
 

NervousXtian

Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Damn, I've seen pics before.. but yours REALLY show just how freaking small this thing is form factor wise.

Crazy.

I don't need it to blow the doors off of things, but if it can run most games at a decent FPS and 1080p than I'm down. I really want it play certain PC games which are just so much cheaper than their console counterparts.. and for my daughter to minecraft on.
 

Denton

Member
Bump: It's here!

first note: There is no way that the 360 controller dongle will fit in the hidden accessory port

Congrats, looks really so nice. Such a small little thing. It blows my mind that this thing is probably four times smaller than Xbone, with same or better performance, and it is fullblown PC with everything that allows to boot.
 
Damn, I've seen pics before.. but yours REALLY show just how freaking small this thing is form factor wise.

Crazy.

I don't need it to blow the doors off of things, but if it can run most games at a decent FPS and 1080p than I'm down. I really want it play certain PC games which are just so much cheaper than their console counterparts.. and for my daughter to minecraft on.

That is almost the exact reason I bought one. I just want to play the 300+ Steam games I've gotten from bundles, and have better access to the indie and mod scenes.

And I will try my best to post detailed impressions of setup, use, etc this weekend. :)
 
Mind if I ask when you pre-ordered yours? I'm seeing people on Twitter saying they didn't receive any shipping notifications, and the console just showed up.

Mine still says "in production" with a delivery date of a week from today.

I preordered from Amazon when they had some sort of unannounced 25% off sale price on all of them. Got a shipping notification late last night and it arrived first thing this morning. Sadly I am at work or else I'd be playing it now. :)
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Could a person put emulators on this as well?

Or is it gaming only? Sorry, I am unfamiliar with this product.

It is literally a PC so you can do what you want with it.

Does it have a custom front end to make it easy to launch not just steam but things like xbmc, plex, origin etc? Or can you put all of those within steam?
 
It is literally a PC so you can do what you want with it.

Does it have a custom front end to make it easy to launch not just steam but things like xbmc, plex, origin etc? Or can you put all of those within steam?

I read that they were working on a custom front end for Origin, but have not heard anything about that in months. I think you can use ICE to put emulators in Steam.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
Does it have a custom front end to make it easy to launch not just steam but things like xbmc, plex, origin etc? Or can you put all of those within steam?

You can put any executable into steam. And, if you launch a non-steam application through steam big picture mode, the BPM overlay follows onto the non-steam app. So like if I launch XBMC from steam, then when I press the xbox button on the controller within XBMC, the steam big picture mode overlay drops down and lets me access the friendslist and webbrowser and all that jazz.

I read that they were working on a custom front end for Origin, but have not heard anything about that in months. I think you can use ICE to put emulators in Steam.

I launch my origin applications through Steam BPM. Just like I described above, doing so migrates the big picture mode overlay onto origin apps. So like, from within Crysis 3, if I press the Xbox guide button, my steam overlay pops up with my steam friendslists and all that.

You need to disable the origin overlay shortcut from within origin, however, or both the origin and steam overlays will appear.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
UK prices are out at Amazon £429 for base machine

Is it that good?

Base machine is i3 dual core with 4Gb ram? That price is actually not bad. The gaming PC thread always makes me sad to see US component prices - pretty much £1:$1

£429 including windows and a wireless Xbox controller? £399 would have been sweeter but that's pretty good. Grab a cheap wireless keyboard with built in trackball or trackpad and slap it under your TV.


Edit - most interesting thing there is it looks like it is sold by Amazon. I thought they only sold via third parties.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace

Tbh at that point I'd be looking at spending a full gaming PC myself with a better GPU. The i5 might be the sweet spot depending how much more it is over the base model.

For my personal situation the base model looks an interesting alternative to a Mac mini. Would probably outperform my 2011 Mac mini ( Dual core i5 2415m @2.3GHz) with a newer generation i3 @2.9Ghz. Would be a nice plex server and steam home streaming client..
 
Tbh at that point I'd be looking at spending a full gaming PC myself with a better GPU. The i5 might be the sweet spot depending how much more it is over the base model.

For my personal situation the base model looks an interesting alternative to a Mac mini. Although it probably won't outperform my 2012 mini? Dual core i5 2415m @2.3GHz.

The mid-range i5 is currently $733 on Amazon.
 

MaxiLive

Member
I think these look fairly interesting and actually very good for the price when you consider there is a lot of specialist designed components in there. As for competing against consoles and such I don't think it will be able to do that for a while due to the mass production of the consoles and the actually driver overhead.

These type on machines may become much more value driven when DX 12 hits and becomes the norm for games if the extra performance is actually opened up by that. Obviously this is more than likely two years away but it is neat to see these type of machines popping up as I would love one if I had a bit more free money just to use as an "open source console" meaning I can poke at it with emulators, any for of media I want to play etc.

Also I bet with these there is going to be a lot of games that are going to need a hell of a lot of tweaking to run decently with the interface meaning a good few annoyances for the none patient users!
 

NervousXtian

Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
At $900 price point.. you're better off just building off the shelf honestly.. unless you really want the small form factor.. I don't think the value is there at that level... because the GPU is the same across the board. The i5 and 8gb that can be had for around $733 seems like about the top option I'd even think off.. but if I can grab the i3/8gb version for like $600 at some point I'm probably gonna jump.

..but at $900 you could really build a system that'd destroy this thing hands down.. and it's hard to justify just getting the small form factor and UI when you could be dropping a 290x or 970, i5 4690k, 8gb ram, 1tb HD for like $929 with an OEM version of Win 8.1. You got another $40-50 for the controller.. and the case is admittedly much larger unless you dropped more coin.. but it'd blow the Alpha $900 version out of the water.

The $549 version with controller though.. that version.. with what you could build for that same price. Sure you could build "better".. but not THAT much better that the coolness of having a tiny micro PC that CAN game with the custom UI and controller and the portability of it all.

The low end versions seem like a pretty decent value.. but the fact that the GPU doesn't scale up in the high end versions makes them a terrible value in my eyes.
 

Pimpbaa

Member
Definitely want one of these, but I'm going to wait for an updated version with a better gpu and more vram. How loud is the fan in this thing?
 

Krejlooc

Banned
outunderthestars - I recommend you buy a gyration MCE remote for your Alpha One. They actually don't manufacture them anymore, but you can buy one on ebay for about $100. Expensive for a remote, I realize, but it's so worth it and is a transformative accessory for an HTPC and comfy couch gaming. I'll just quote myself:

Use Steam's Big Picture mode for HBO Go, Amazon Prime, etc. Create firefox profiles for each site (i.e. one profile for HBO Go, one for Amazon Prime, one for Starz Play), then, under each profile, set the appropriate site as the homepage. So if you launch firefox under the HBO Go profile, it'll open the homepage to HBO Go. If you open firefox with the Amazon Prime Profile, it'll open the homepage to Amazon Prime. And so forth.

You can use command line options to select which profile firefox opens with. i believe it's something like "Firefox.exe -p "HBOGo"" off the top of my head. Create some batch files that send the command to open Firefox in specific profiles. Example: You'd have an HBO Go batch file that would open Firefox using "Firefox.exe -p "HBOGo"" -- make sure to use the proper start command to launch this application, refer to windows batch help online if you don't know the command.

Next, use a program like batch-to-exe to turn your batch file into a stand alone launchable executable, then add them to steam as non-steam games. This will give you icons in Steam's big picture mode that will open to these streaming services. Ideally, you should be launching XBMC from big picture mode as well - BPM is your overall shell for the entire operating system in this instance. If you open XBMC within steam's BPM, the BPM overlay follows (i.e. pressing the guide button on the controller overlays BPM onto XBMC) which gives you access to friends lists, a webbrowser, etc. If you open your firefox profile executables through Steam BPM, the BPM overlay follows onto firefox as well.

For controls, I use a gyration MCE remote:

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This is a universal remote with a learning function - so it controls my sound system and my television, as well as my PC. It connects to the PC via USB dongle which makes windows see the remote as both an MCE remote (for the media buttons at the top) and also as a keyboard and mouse, so you can boot your PC with no proper keyboard connected if needed. Using the freeware program EventGhost, you can remap any key on the remote to any sort of mouse or keyboard function.

Best of all, the remote is a gyration mouse - press and hold the button in the middle below the windows gem and moving your hand will move the mouse on your screen, much like a wiimote. To it's left and right are buttons representing left and right mouseclick.

I typically map windows+tab+ctrl to the green windows emblem on my remote, which does winflip 3D on windows 7, which is sort of my cool, nice looking way to flip between applications running without needing to use the start bar. The Ctrl modifier to the win+tab shortcut makes it so that you don't have to keep holding win+tab to do winflip 3D, making the button act like a toggle. Windows 8 kind of fucked that up by getting rid of winflip 3D, so I use switcher, a free program, as it's replacement.

I have a NAS drive in a raid-1 configuration elsewhere in the house that actually serves all the media. I have a few HPTCs that work like I describe, actually, with 3 different Gyration MCE remotes for different rooms. They all are served by the same NAS drive.

This gives me the absolute ultimate media experience. Absolutely nothing comes close. I can play absolutely any type of file, without needing to transcode it, and I can use every single streaming service around, without any sort of device restrictions. I can even get around ESPN3 blackouts by using a proxy. The UI is far more elegant than any of the consoles, with immediate task switching and true multitasking via winflip3D, and a persistent BPM overlay that follows me from games to the internet to XBMC to streaming services to anything else, at the push of a button that gives me friends lists and webbrowsers.

sometimes they go under the name "DELL GYRATION MCE." As I said, they tend to run about $100 on ebay - you can buy the remote by itself fairly easily for about $75 but you need the proprietary dongle to get it all working, and the dongle is hard to find. I just looked and there are two auctions for these things with the dongle with about 2 days left, each going for $26 (!). Again, I can't recommend these enough. The single best PC accessory I own, hands down.

edit: I've played CivV and World in Conflict with this.
 

Denton

Member
I will probably do that for some Civ V. I've never owned a gaming PC so this is sure to be an interesting weekend!

I am writing this post on my 55" plasma while lying in couch via this:

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while my steam is silently updating my Project CARS in the background.

PC gaming life is sweet :D
 

Krejlooc

Banned
I am writing this post on my 55" plasma while lying in couch via this:

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while my steam is silently updating my Project CARS in the background.

PC gaming life is sweet :D

I use a small no-frills bluetooth keyboard.

I wish microsoft would have distributed drivers for the xbox 360 controller chatpad.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
I use a small no-frills bluetooth keyboard.

I wish microsoft would have distributed drivers for the xbox 360 controller chatpad.

Does the PS3 chat pad work? That could allow you to type and use the mouse (it had a feature where the keys were capacitive and worked as a big trackpad)
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
I actually have a PS3 chatpad but I've never tried, haha.

Just tried - works :) The mouse pointer is a little jittery but usable. Just pair it as a separate Bluetooth device - hold the blue shoulder button while turning the chat pad on, and keep holding the blue button until the lights start flashing alternately. Then it is in discovery mode and your computer should find it.
 

Denton

Member
I use a small no-frills bluetooth keyboard.

I wish microsoft would have distributed drivers for the xbox 360 controller chatpad.

The k400 is small and so nice, I have been using it for 18 months now, still on the same batteries it came with, touchpad works perfectly..I don't even use XBMC or enlarged fonts or anything, can control Windows 7 directly with it without problem, browse the net/play movies or whatever.

Your setup sounds amazing but I am too lazy for something so involved :) so this suffices for me.
 
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