All Playstation Platforms to use Playready which points to a significant PS3 update

onQ123

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It appears they are still fine-tuning the Video player as in HTML5 <video> MSE EME.

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I'm asking how long has PS4 been using PlayReady?

 
I'm asking how long has PS4 been using PlayReady?
Plan on using, since 2011 for both the PS3 and PS4. Using, I don't think either have used Playready yet. The disclosure mentions Playready and WMDRM. WMDRM is the DTCP-IP protection DRM for streaming DLNA 2 and Vidipath (480i to 1080i)...it hasn't been used yet as I don't think the PS4 Plex app supports DRM.

Playready 3 embedded (from disclosure WMDRM is a part of Playready versions below 3 so mentioning it as a separate component and warning that your console could be blacklisted if you tamper with it) I don't think has been used either (maybe an app like Playstation Vue supports it) as it requires the player, encryption routines, metadata rules and keys as part of a TEE. That comes after " GIVE" and at about the same time HTML5 <video> MSE EME is enabled in the browser as the software stack (Native libraries) are the same and support the C-ENC (common encryption) format that Playready and many other DRMs use. This is why the following in a browser or app is possible; C-ENC via a thin C+ layer allows any DRM that supports the C-ENC format to use the embedded player and routines. Since Playready supports C-ENC, using a Playready porting kit for a Trustzone TEE creates the C-ENC universal embedded part and allows other DRMs to use it and supports the following:



Sony may be using Playready thenselves in an app but I don't think they are allowing anyone else to use it. If they did I'd expect Netflix to drop in size drastically and why do we still have a temporary DLNA and Media player without DRM and why no Miracast?
 

AudioEppa

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Would this potential big media update allow PS Vue to work when PSN is offline just like Netflix? I apologize if this is something you can't answer and if it's a dumb question.
 
Would this potential big media update allow PS Vue to work when PSN is offline just like Netflix? I apologize if this is something you can't answer and if it's a dumb question.
Not dumb but it is a question I can't answer. Playready ND and I think WMDRM requires a connection to a Playready server once every 48 hours and Playready for OTT (Cloud streaming) requires a connection every time. Connection to the PSN will be needed for other services and features; ROVI Guide for DVR for instance and a whole host of other cloud services as well.
 
wtf is this thread even saying....

Follow the logic:
All Playstation Platforms to use Playready which points to a significant PS3 update
Why? because Playready embedded is necessary for Vidpath and Sony has sent PDFs to the FCC that have pictures of the PS3 and PS4 as Vidipath clients and DVRs

For the PS3 a PDF on Passage was just released at the latest FCC DSTAC (Downloadable Security Technical Advisory Committee) meeting. Page 12 has a chart showing a PS3 being used as a Vidipath STB.

Second Sony Passage Paper to the FCC DSTAC is about using clear QAM tuners (USB, PC Card and Network tuners) with PCs, PS4, Phones and Tablets as the client using the DSS (Downloadable Security Scheme) (page 10 and 11). A picture of the PS3 labeled PS4 on page 11 is using a Hauppauge USB Tuner. Also on that page is a HD Homerun network tuner feeding a home WiFi router to portables.

HTML5 app written by the Cable company using Sony's passage and network tuners to ?emulate a Vidipath Cable TV DVR?. The Sony job posting makes more sense with this proposal But the HTML5 <video> MSE EME browser routines need to be done as seen in the chart on post # 103 above.

**Edit: For everyone to use HTML5 <video> EME MSE as seen in the chart in post 103, the GIVE project has to create a standard all platforms support in their browsers for HTML5 <video> EME MSE Sony needs this so every platform can support Playstation Vue as do Cable companies for their APP.

What features come with Vidipath? Depends on the version with DLNA2 to DLNA 4. At a minimum with DLNA 2 you get the full DLNA with Push support from handhelds and Playto or Cast to support from Windows 7 through windows 10.

Miracast
Upgraded browser with HTML5 <video> MSE EME
Upgraded app framework
and more
 

onQ123

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Plan on using, since 2011 for both the PS3 and PS4. Using, I don't think either have used Playready yet. The disclosure mentions Playready and WMDRM. WMDRM is the DTCP-IP protection DRM for streaming DLNA 2 and Vidipath (480i to 1080i)...it hasn't been used yet as I don't think the PS4 Plex app supports DRM.

Playready 3 embedded (from disclosure WMDRM is a part of Playready versions below 3 so mentioning it as a separate component and warning that your console could be blacklisted if you tamper with it) I don't think has been used either (maybe an app like Playstation Vue supports it) as it requires the player, encryption routines, metadata rules and keys as part of a TEE. That comes after " GIVE" and at about the same time HTML5 <video> MSE EME is enabled in the browser as the software stack (Native libraries) are the same and support the C-ENC (common encryption) format that Playready and many other DRMs use. This is why the following in a browser or app is possible; C-ENC via a thin C+ layer allows any DRM that supports the C-ENC format to use the embedded player and routines. Since Playready supports C-ENC, using a Playready porting kit for a Trustzone TEE creates the C-ENC universal embedded part and allows other DRMs to use it and supports the following:



Sony may be using Playready thenselves in an app but I don't think they are allowing anyone else to use it. If they did I'd expect Netflix to drop in size drastically and why do we still have a temporary DLNA and Media player without DRM and why no Miracast?


I think Plex does support DRM because if you try to play a show from the Fox channel in your Chrome web browser on your PC using Plex you get something that says that AES decryption not supported in premium edition but it will play on PS4. Also maybe they are using PlayReady for Vue already.

 
I think Plex does support DRM because if you try to play a show from the Fox channel in your Chrome web browser on your PC using Plex you get something that says that AES decryption not supported in premium edition but it will play on PS4. Also maybe they are using PlayReady for Vue already.

Do some research on Plex, I don't think it supports DTCP-IP. A post from late 2013 says Plex does not support DTCP-IP and there are no plans to do so.

To use WMDRM requires a Playready server that both must connect to and the client must register the owner or domain. With the connection to a server once every 48 hours the Playready embedded core is checked for tampering and the ownership of the domain is checked as well as a blacklisting database.

At this time there is no common DRM for DTCP-IP...that is what is coming with Vidipath. A Windows PC and the PS4 do have Playready DRM in common but suppose Plex is used to stream to a Google Android STB, Phone or Tablet.

DRMtoday.com is a good place to check for DRM
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onQ123

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Do some research on Plex, I don't think it supports DTCP-IP. A post from late 2013 says Plex does not support DTCP-IP and there are no plans to do so.

To use WMDRM requires a Playready server that both must connect to and the client must register the owner or domain. With the connection to a server once every 48 hours the Playready embedded core is checked for tampering and the ownership of the domain is checked as well as a blacklisting database.

At this time there is no common DRM for DTCP-IP...that is what is coming with Vidipath. A Windows PC and the PS4 do have Playready DRM in common but suppose Plex is used to stream to a Google Android STB, Phone or Tablet.

DRMtoday.com is a good place to check for DRM
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DRM is used by the channels like Fox , ABC , The CW ,CBS ,NBC ,USA & so on, the channels only work with the devices that the channels allow them to work on.

Fox work on PS4 but ABC says "This channel is not supported on Mystery 4"
 
DRM is used by the channels like Fox , ABC , The CW ,CBS ,NBC ,USA & so on, the channels only work with the devices that the channels allow them to work on.

Fox work on PS4 but ABC says "This channel is not supported on Mystery 4"
Antenna TV channels are not encrypted, they have flags that under threat of law are "voluntarily" recognized and honored. A Antenna TV network tuner like HD Homerun converts "clear" RF to "clear" IPTV relying on the network client to honor the flags, it has no DTCP-IP. HD Homerun prime is a Antenna and Cable TV DLNA server with cable card. It can encrypt as DTCP-IP before streaming and will refuse to stream media that has the no copy flag set to platforms that do not support DTCP-IP.

In your example you can have Plex refusing to stream media that has the no copy flag set, that is not the same as supporting WMDRM DTCP-IP. I have no idea what Plex is doing.
 

onQ123

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Antenna TV channels are not encrypted, they have flags that under threat of law are "voluntarily" recognized and honored. A Antenna TV network tuner like HD Homerun converts "clear" RF to "clear" IPTV relying on the network client to honor the flags, it has no DTCP-IP. HD Homerun prime is a Antenna and Cable TV DLNA server with cable card. It can encrypt as DTCP-IP before streaming and will refuse to stream media that has the no copy flag set to platforms that do not support DTCP-IP.

In your example you can have Plex refusing to stream media that has the no copy flag set, that is not the same as supporting WMDRM DTCP-IP. I have no idea what Plex is doing.

Fox added DRM to their channel around June of last year & the only reason PS4 can play the Fox shows from the servers through Plex is because it supports DRM.
 
Fox added DRM to their channel around June of last year & the only reason PS4 can play the Fox shows from the servers through Plex is because it supports DRM.
The local FOX station here added DRM to SOME of the sub channels but those channels can not be viewed on a standard TV. DRM in sub channels and h.264, NRT and XTV in sub channels is ATSC 2. In my local Fox channel 13 I can detect but can't view StarZ, Showtime and other premium for pay channels. The 13.1 and some of the sub channels 13.2, 13.3 and 13.4 are not encrypted and use mpegTS (Standard TV codec).

"PS4 can play the Fox shows from the servers through Plex is because it supports DRM." It's more likely that Plex server and dedicated Plex app talk to each other and support the Flags which is a form of DRM but not embedded platform DTCP-IP. Legally DTCP-IP is not required but protecting the content is. Some form of encryption may probably is occuring between the Plex server and Plex app. This is why we still have dedicated apps like Netflix and a dedicated Plex app for the PS4 otherwise why not use the browser? They can't until HTML5 <video> MSE EME is available in the browser.

I haven't checked but the Plex Web APP looks like it can only be supported in Browsers that have the EME MSE DRM hooks enabled.

So your first post is likely partially correct and mine partly wrong. DRM is occurring in Plex with programming that has the proper flags but it's likely not embedded WMDRM10 and not because the TV channel encrypts it unless it's a premium for pay channel..
 
Sony patents loosely show what future plans are, they show the internal work that may or may not have future use. When you tie the following to contracts with ROVI (TV guide, Gemstar, Metadata patents and services) as well as a 12/15 publish OF A FILED IN 2009 PATENT, it supports their use:

Information processing apparatus and method, and recording media DVR, EPG (Electronic Program Guide) also cataloging local media on Hard Disk, Disk (DVD or Blu-ray) and Flash memory.

The above-mentioned recording medium is configured not only by the removable medium 711 such as a magnetic disc in which a program is stored (including a floppy Disc.TM.), an optical disc (including CD-ROM (Compact Disc Read Only Memory), DVD (Digital Versatile Disc), a magneto-optical disc (including MD (Mini Disc).TM.), or a semiconductor memory recorded with programs for distribution of programs to users separately from the apparatus main, but also by the ROM 702 recorded with programs and a hard disc drive recorded with programs and included in the storage block 708 that are provided to users as incorporated in the apparatus main as shown in FIG. 15.

Sony has announced that they are going to support DVR features in Europe with USB hard disks attached to their UHD Android TVs. Those TVs do not have DVDs and Blu-ray players. So the patent is possibly for the PS4 or a future blu-ray player with hard disk supporting the Blu-ray digital bridge and or TVs connected to a home network with PS4 or Network connected Blu-ray players with digital bridge.


Automatically presenting rights protected content on previously unauthorized device
Example was a phone gaining rights to DRM media from a IPTV Setop box or TV and transferring limited rights to it'self or another device.

content as disclosed herein is understood to not be limited to AV content even if content was referred to at various portions as "AV content," and may include contents such as e.g. audio-only content (e.g. music), video only content, still images, other data, etc. Along those lines, note that access may be similarly provided using present principles not just to rights-protected content but to e.g. rights-protected channels such as television channels. Thus, for instance, if a user has purchased the viewing rights to view a particular sports channel, the user may e.g. go to a friend's house, provide a key to the friend's TV in accordance with present principles, and then watch the sports channel on the friend's TV for e.g. a predefined period of time.

Game apparatus, game interruption program, storage medium stored with game interruption program
Game suspend and restore

Method and system for altering the presentation of broadcast content Methods for eliminating commercials

Reception apparatus, reception method, program and information processing system
ATSC 2 XTV trigger mechanism

Image processing apparatus, image processing method, and image communication system Face recognition/head tracking while the user is wearing 3D glasses (active Shutter or passive 3D) including LED lights attached to the glasses.

And there is more.
 

onQ123

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I'm not sure if this has anything to do with PlayReady but the live game broadcasts in Live from PlayStation now have interactive ads that play before the videos. I'm thinking that the last update was for HTML5 videos & how they can input the interactive ads in the videos.

also I think the patent about the ads in the middle of gameplay is actually about Live from PlayStation because you can also interact with The PlayRoom stream when you are watching someone stream from the PlayRoom so I think that's just a test for other games that will let the viewers join in & interact with the games so the patent was most likely for the ads that will pop up in the middle of the Live From PlayStation stream while people are interacting with the stream.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475431
 
I'm not sure if this has anything to do with PlayReady but the live game broadcasts in Live from PlayStation now have interactive ads that play before the videos. I'm thinking that the last update was for HTML5 videos & how they can input the interactive ads in the videos.

also I think the patent about the ads in the middle of gameplay is actually about Live from PlayStation because you can also interact with The PlayRoom stream when you are watching someone stream from the PlayRoom so I think that's just a test for other games that will let the viewers join in & interact with the games so the patent was most likely for the ads that will pop up in the middle of the Live From PlayStation stream while people are interacting with the stream.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475431
As far as I am concerned, this thread is about:

1) A significant update to the browser and WebMAF framework is coming with Playready
2) The PS3 is not end of life and we will see the PS3 as a Vidipath STB with all that implies.

And yes, some of the updates are to the HTML5<video> EME MSE player with W3C extensions and that includes ads and ad insertion to video streams with all that implies including interactive XTV games as ads which is another thread you started.

You do know that ads have been a part of Twitch and Google for a long time now. It's difficult to determine if what they are doing is custom in an App or Industry standard W3C that we will see everyone support as part of the browser framework that will be in every STB in the living room.
 

onQ123

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As far as I am concerned, this thread is about:

1) A significant update to the browser and WebMAF framework is coming with Playready
2) The PS3 is not end of life and we will see the PS3 as a Vidipath STB with all that implies.

And yes, some of the updates are to the HTML5<video> EME MSE player with W3C extensions and that includes ads and ad insertion to video streams with all that implies including interactive XTV games as ads which is another thread you started.

You do know that ads have been a part of Twitch and Google for a long time now. It's difficult to determine if what they are doing is custom in an App or Industry standard W3C that we will see everyone support as part of the browser framework that will be in every STB in the living room.

Yes I know ads have been apart of Twitch & Ustream I just don't remember them being clickable ads in Live From PlayStation.

Also if you think about what the patent was about it matches what we have with Live From PlayStation when you can interact with the broadcaster as you view them playing the games & ads will interrupt your interactions to play in the middle of a broadcast.

By the way Live From PlayStation is basically a custom browser.
 
The current PS4 DLNA player is a placeholder for the final DLNA player. It does not support DRM and was built as a game mode app. The reason for the PS4 DLNA delay is the wait for Playready 3, HEVC and 4K blu-ray standards to be released. The reason the PS3 hasn't received any visible update to features is nearly the same; a wait for Playready, HTML5 <Video> ME (C-ENC format), HEVC and other standards to evolve. All these are part of what's required for Vidipath.

Damn, I hope this is true. The current DLNA player on PS4 is not what it should be.
 
Crackle has been updated on PS4 with always on using Adobe Primetime.

http://www.adobe.com/marketing-cloud/primetime-tv-platform.html
So you are saying that the Sony Crackle app follows Adobe Prime Time formats like the 2010 PS3 framework/player in Firmware 3.5 supporting the HuLu player APP for instance using the Flash server 3.5 format.

What is Adobe Primetime?
It&#8217;s a multiscreen TV platform that helps broadcasters, cable networks and service providers create and monetize engaging and personalized TV and film experiences.
Adobe Primetime supports the servers ( broadcasters, cable networks and service providers) with a format the players written by everyone must follow. Possible, someone has to set standards. To this point I assumed the W3C was doing this.


The PS4 Console Bootlog has this:

<118>[Syscore App] calling add process
<118>[Syscore App] processSpawn(pid, 0xb0c0101, 0x10101031, appParam, processParam, 0, 0, 0, param, debug, 0)
<118>[Syscore App] appParam: appType = 0x5, rootPath = /mnt/sandbox/NPXS20001_0000, titleId = NPXS20001
<118>[Syscore App] processParam: elfPath = /4VrE1TCMrg/common/lib/MonoCompiler.elf, fullPath = /system/common/lib/MonoCompiler.elf

<118>[PSM] PsmFramework::Initailize() 452 msec. elapsed
<118>W:\Build\J00739822\vsh\cdlg\np_commerce_dialog\server\np_commerce_server_wrapper.cpp(309) initializeCSharp:
<118>MSG AbstractStorageWrapper(int sce::vsh::eek:rbis::abstract_storage::InitializeCSharp() 223):
This looks like Sony's commercial app framework uses Mono calling webkit native libraries.

Some points; the Final apps should be very small not 247 MB so I don't think it's being used for commercial apps yet. They probably are using a stand alone version similar to what should eventually be supported by the OS.
 

onQ123

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So you are saying that the Sony Crackle app follows Adobe Prime Time formats like the 2010 PS3 framework/player in Firmware 3.5 supporting the HuLu player APP for instance using the Flash server 3.5 format.

Adobe Primetime supports the servers ( broadcasters, cable networks and service providers) with a format the players written by everyone must follow. Possible, someone has to set standards. To this point I assumed the W3C was doing this.


The PS4 Console Bootlog has this:

This looks like Sony's commercial app framework uses Mono calling webkit native libraries.

Some points; the Final apps should be very small not 247 MB so I don't think it's being used for commercial apps yet. They probably are using a stand alone version similar to what should eventually be supported by the OS.

This was just the last thread I remember talking about the TV apps in so I posted here about the Crackle update.
 

androvsky

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So you are saying that the Sony Crackle app follows Adobe Prime Time formats like the 2010 PS3 framework/player in Firmware 3.5 supporting the HuLu player APP for instance using the Flash server 3.5 format.

Adobe Primetime supports the servers ( broadcasters, cable networks and service providers) with a format the players written by everyone must follow. Possible, someone has to set standards. To this point I assumed the W3C was doing this.


The PS4 Console Bootlog has this:

This looks like Sony's commercial app framework uses Mono calling webkit native libraries.

Some points; the Final apps should be very small not 247 MB so I don't think it's being used for commercial apps yet. They probably are using a stand alone version similar to what should eventually be supported by the OS.

You sure that's not just the Mono implementation for games that use C#? The PSM mention there probably refers to Playstation Mobile, which used C#. Sony was probably considering putting PSM games on PS4 before they decided to ditch the program. I think some PS4 indie games might be straight C# without being compiled down to a native executable, so they kept it in.
 
You sure that's not just the Mono implementation for games that use C#? The PSM mention there probably refers to Playstation Mobile, which used C#. Sony was probably considering putting PSM games on PS4 before they decided to ditch the program. I think some PS4 indie games might be straight C# without being compiled down to a native executable, so they kept it in.
With the term "np_commerce_server_wrapper".I think it's a lock. It makes sense; which would you rather use, Javascript or Mono considering security vulnerability and size. Both call the same native libraries that support Webkit.
 

onQ123

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With the term "np_commerce_server_wrapper".I think it's a lock. It makes sense; which would you rather use, Javascript or Mono considering security vulnerability and size. Both call the same native libraries that support Webkit.

Did you see the DISPLAY OF USER SELECTED ADVERTISING CONTENT IN A DIGITAL ENVIRONMENT patent I posted last week?

It looks to show MediaCon/Aeolia

Media control 610 is responsible for handling various audio and video formats as may be introduced to a client device. An AV decoder 650 and advertisement list module 655 are disclosed in the present exemplary embodiment. Media control 610 may further comprise enhanced dynamic random access memory (not shown) and a virtual machine environment (VME) (also not shown) for implementing certain emulation environments to isolate a particular media application from the actual hardware architecture of the device (e.g., an execution `sandbox`).

Through media control 610, a client device may be able to display still images, audio, and video as may be introduced through a variety of peripherals under the control of peripheral control 615 and working in conjunction with CPU 620 and GPU 630. In an exemplary embodiment of the present invention, media control 610 implements various audio formats such as MP3, ATRAC3, WMA, WAV, MP4, and AAC. Media control 610 also implements a variety of video formats including MPEG-4 Part 2 as well as H.264/AVC. Still images may also be implemented through media control 610 in formats such as JPEG, GIF, BMP, TIF, and PNG.

AV decoder 650 decompresses and/or decodes a variety of media as may be introduced by peripheral control 615. Decompressed media may be temporarily stored in eDRAM (not shown) prior to its subsequent rendering and/or audible emission by the device.



 
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