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American National Election Study: Racism motivated Trump voters
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And to add another dynamic into the mix, the "fake news" that conservatives or anti-Hillary people like JonTron formed their beliefs around pre-election were, in large part, created by liberals that were trying to
As a follow up, here's a study that shows exactly how white people overreact to minorities in their communities:
People in homogenous groups respond to outsiders by turning conservative (Study)
People in homogenous groups respond to outsiders by turning conservative (Study)
When you can't even have a conversation about the role of bigotry and prejudice in the election without someone coming in with the #notallTrumpvoters shtick.
Racial resentment largely fueled Trump's election, the vitriol after Obama's presidency was almost historic.
And sure, some Trump voters may have voted for Obama or at least not voted for his opposition/third party in past elections but those same voters prioritized hating "Killary" or focusing on single issues, enough to ignore all the god damn red flags that was Trump and his bigotry.
If you're willing to overlook that damage a man wants to do to minorities or the racism & sexism that the campaign was run on simply because of single issue, on some level you tolerated &/or tacitly approved of.
Can't believe we even need a study to link two things that were so damn obvious.
Racial resentment largely fueled Trump's election, the vitriol after Obama's presidency was almost historic.
And sure, some Trump voters may have voted for Obama or at least not voted for his opposition/third party in past elections but those same voters prioritized hating "Killary" or focusing on single issues, enough to ignore all the god damn red flags that was Trump and his bigotry.
If you're willing to overlook that damage a man wants to do to minorities or the racism & sexism that the campaign was run on simply because of single issue, on some level you tolerated &/or tacitly approved of.
Can't believe we even need a study to link two things that were so damn obvious.
Chmpocalypse
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Valid concern. There's always an uptick of people desperate for racism to be the "wrong" issue, though.
Feelings are powerful. To give up the way you see the world sometimes means to give up your very identity.
Right. They may not be dumb though. Just unconsciously self-serving.
Holy poop. Well, there you go. New things are threatening. You have to consciously turn off an innate survival instinct, and if you don't have the tools to do so, that instinct becomes your lifestyle.
Killa Sasa
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Can someone edit this so that the lady says "Trumpets didn't vote because of racism" e: and have Mr Google set her straight?
Because this shit has been clear as day from jump street.
edit: the lady needs to remain a dumbass because it's pretty clear that racism was the defining factor.
Because this shit has been clear as day from jump street.
edit: the lady needs to remain a dumbass because it's pretty clear that racism was the defining factor.
Can someone edit this so that the lady says "Trumpets didn't vote because of racism"
Because this shit has been clear as day from jump street.
Umm the LADY? What I'm getting is that you may be unwittingly comparing anti-vaccination sentiment to the belief that racism was a factor in the election?
EDIT: Ohhhhhh sorry, "THE REASON Trumpets didn't vote, WASN'T because they were racist." A mite confusing.
Carpe Carnim
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The Allies hanged collaborators with the same rope they hanged Nazi officers.
That Trump voters need to excuse their vote by pointing to the particular policy they agree with, rather than admitting they'll make common cause with Fascists isn't an extenuating circumstance; it's just a justification for standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the David Duke's of the world.
Killa Sasa
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I was just disputing the claim that they were "fucking morons."
My sisters, mom, and brother are certainly not "fucking morons." Just trapped in the environments they find comfortable. I'm not acquitting them of their actions and ignorance; I'm trying to see them as human beings who think they are loving people and treating them the right way.
Carpe Carnim
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Yup, here is the same sort of blind-spot many White families face: They're too cowardly to call-out kin, and even less capable of ostracizing those same fascist boot-lickers because they claim, "they're such nice people, once you get past the fact they prefer to be governed by Nazis"
Do better...
David H Wong
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See it's the Trump supporters who are raving hate-mongers while the left remains calm, rational and logical.
Just not mentioning racial issues isn't going to be enough to reach these people. It will take actively campaigning on their side of the fence and that is immoral and unacceptable. They want you to talk shit about Colin Kaepernick, they want you to say All Lives Matter, they want you to talk about the "war on cops," they want you to tell them how it's not systemic issues and corporate greed that took away their jobs but actually Pedro and Jorge down the street, they want you to promise them the scary brown people aren't going to move in and force them to pray to their god with a different name and won't believe you if you say that just isn't happening without promising to back your words up at the cost of human lives and dignity.
Carpe Carnim
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Sure sounds like a personal problem. You should rectify that.
Their ignorance ruins the lives of other people. As a group they are fucking morons. They do not see others as human beings, and vote against their own interests. else they'd give any slight of a shit to consider what their vote means. Some friends and family fall in this boat too.
Truth hurts. Dems just have to work on turnout. Let people like your family find their own way one day, but they've had ample opportunity to do not vote for a bigot and a pussy grabber.
There is zero tolerance by those affected, when it comes to blatant racism.
One ironic thing is that Trump's plan to cut rail subsidies will just help kill off these rural communities even faster. Which is bad for the GOP.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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was waiting for the sizzling hot DHW take
OG Shaka Zulu
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Lmao.
By the time they make voter fraud in red districts legal, those people will still be counted.
They'd likely still vote r, even from the grave because a immigrant dug their hole.
Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if you're advocating branding a giant T on Trump voter foreheads by the end of the year.
Daily reminder that you can still be considered racist without having lynched a black man or burned a cross in anyone's yard. Just because you don't have a white robte and pointed hood hidden in your closet doesn't somehow mean you're scott free from any form of bigotry.
Remind me again, which side was it that tried to ban an entire religious group from entering the country?
I mean, if you're arguing that white people got progressively more racist as they were governed by a black guy, I'm happy to say it's possible.
Personally my theory is that a lot of somewhat racist people voted for Obama in the hopes that people would stop talking about racism, and then voted for a white supremacist because that didn't work and they felt that they couldn't be called racist any more because they voted for Obama. A rationale that has served them well on GAF!
This is what happens when the dreaded "political correctness" is continually conflated with respect and civility.
Wow, it's almost as if demonizing respectful discourse and celebrating deliberate provocation worked a little too well! Who could have seen that one coming?
Carpe Carnim
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I've found a better outlet: spending extra time to search out job applicants with pro-Trump social media, and then removing them from consideration for employment with my company.
Mexicans can't steal a jerb you never got an interview for.
Direct Action works
They're just cool with racists if it advances themselves.
Carpe Carnim
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We already got the #notalltrumpvoters song and dance a few pages back
The most embarrassing thing is how badly GOP voters are climbing over themselves to avoid personal responsibility.
Even here on GAF, all the scrambling over how the next election will go if we don't cater to ignorance & bigotry.
Do people hear themselves when they say that?
Claiming Dems are advocating "purity tests" when all people are saying is stop throwing minorities under the fucking bus.
If you can't accomplish an election without resorting to using far right dog whistles to lure in votes, we might as well have a two term Trump presidency.
Campaign on a progressive platform and let voters, including former Trump voters join that platform on those terms alone.
Even here on GAF, all the scrambling over how the next election will go if we don't cater to ignorance & bigotry.
Do people hear themselves when they say that?
Claiming Dems are advocating "purity tests" when all people are saying is stop throwing minorities under the fucking bus.
If you can't accomplish an election without resorting to using far right dog whistles to lure in votes, we might as well have a two term Trump presidency.
Campaign on a progressive platform and let voters, including former Trump voters join that platform on those terms alone.
Reposting an old post of mine from right after the election:
He denigrated minorities at every turn. Even when he claimed to be reaching out to them it was always in an insulting manner.
He cap-ended his campaign with an ad saying that his opponent's campaign was controlled by, funded by, and partnered with rich jews.
He opened his campaign by accusing an entire population of minorities as being rapists (furthering the well worn racist attack of darker skinned people being sexual predators) and criminals directed by their state to trespass into america.
He bolstered his campaign by saying that he would block muslims from being able to enter the US.
He chose a known white supremacist as one of his delegates for the RNC.
His children give interviews on white supremacist radio.
He hesitated to denounce the KKK.
He called for the execution of demonstrably innocent black and brown kids.
He started his career off by refusing to rent to minorities.
He questioned the otherness of the first black president for years.
He spread white supremacist propaganda to his followers in the form of made up statistics trying to mislead his followers into thinking they are being hunted by black thugs.
He spread white supremacist propaganda to his followers in the form of spreading a neo-nazi image attempting to link his opponent to Jews.
And that's just a partial recounting.
People within and sympathetic to the KKK picked up on all of these. They endorsed him and frequently praised his presidential run.
And I'm to believe that his voters didn't think any of that was important enough to sway their votes? Either they agreed silently or their indifference to the experiences of minorities in America is large enough that they would elect someone that is openly courting and inciting racists to become their next president. Neither cast a good light on his voters.
I haven't seen a lot of threads on GAF about how the economy played a large role in Trumps win, but I have seen a lot of threads about how racism played a large part, so I really don't think that's a fair assumption. Nor do I see a lot in these threads about how to get the "gettable" votes, but I do see a lot of this:
They all condoned it.
Anecdotes and all that, but on a usually favorite moderate blog of mine the comments could not determine if literal cross burning had a racist element behind it. Disappointing.
They did seem to mostly agree that racism is bad though, although I'm not sure what they're personal definition of racism encompasses at that point.
I'd say actively supported considering they voted for it.
Hey all I'm saying is just make it a point to say they were for the economy and racial injustice. They need to own that vote and just harping about the economy doesn't mean everyone is just going to forget all the blatantly bigoted bull shit that was far more of a foundation of Trump's platform than any kind of actual "economic" plan. That ugly shit was on the forefront and you can't just act like it wasn't a big deal or not the focus.
Not racist but contribute to racism and are apathetic.
Why should I care to differentiate the two?
Sorry if your feelings are hurt by people calling out racists?
If you want to talk about how, although you agree with social justice, you want to deemphasize it and focus on economic issues to win WWC voters, have you considered starting a Bill Clinton OT? Personally that seems a little too establishment Democrat for my tastes, but it's a big tent.
EdibleKnife
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Thank you for this. Trump was a neon lit bigot. He wore his hate for women, the poor and minorities on his sleeve. And people watched that and fell in love. They watched it and gave him the power to steer the direction of the country. I'm willing to be forgiving if Trump voters are willing to stop dancing around the choice they made with full knowledge of what it could mean for the country's disenfranchised.
You really shouldn't. If someone sees me being beat up, looks directly at me and chooses to do nothing, they are just as guilty as my assaulter.
I think it's hardly surprising that an increase in racism indicators will lead to an increase in voting republican.
Republicans have been using coded dog whistles for 60 years now so one would figure that the more racist you are the easier it would be to decode and decide to vote for the GOP.
I think the real question is whether this election was based on racism more than previous ones. Does Trump's plain racism get more racists to vote than other candidates coded messages? It's an important question and I don't think the data of this study does much to say one way or another.
What would be quite interesting is comparing regression analyses from 2012 to 2016 of the racism vs republican vote.
OG Shaka Zulu
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Thanks for this. Bookmarked!
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