Of the four anime I recognize, three of them are crap. Who cares if they have great shots?
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Of the four anime I recognize, three of them are crap. Who cares if they have great shots?
Akazukin Chacha, anyone? Such a funny show, though I always fast-forward through the transfomation sequence.
This show is sooooooooo cute
Absolutely true, I can't remember any modern anime that has (good) shading like these old shows.
That's one of the many reasons (i.e. teens, school, fanservice...) why I don't watch that much anime anymore... :sigh:
btw. what anime is the 3rd one on the top? It looks familiar.
True Savior
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Angel Cop
strangedopamine
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Akazukin Chacha, anyone? Such a funny show, though I always fast-forward through the transfomation sequence.
I've been thinking of watching that one soon actually. Seems like my kind of show from the pictures I've seen of it.
Theonik
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In Japan things are different in this hypothetical. Individual artists handle individual scenes and there is a higher tolerance for and you usually see individual animator styles and craft in final works. Hell we have had TV series with episodes worked by single animators in their entirety.
Now, I am not denying what you are saying, there are other more significant factors that lead to the changes in the craft than just the technology. Animation is made b living things and as older generations die out and new take their place, but the culture around them is not the same anyway, they learn from the older generation of animators around them and mimic them but then add their spin to it. I can understand the sentiment from people who really like 80s stuff, but people need to realise that the 80s are gone because it's not the 80s anymore.
And they sure as hell aren't coming back.
SonicMegaDrive
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I love 80's and early 90's anime. As much as I think anime is mostly rotten garbage these days, whenever I watch something made from the 80's it reminds me all over again why I fell in love with anime in the first place.
Corpsepyre
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Does anyone remember The Legend of the Four Kings? Was titled differently in territories. Awesome anime with an absorbing plot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-m01clWe5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-m01clWe5o
The Japanese way of handling individual cuts is different, but even so there is the larger scale effect of having to consider the other individuals in the production and compositing process (storyboard, clean up, in betweens, colouring, layering, shooting etc), and the osmosis effect that working in a shared environment has on peoples tastes and tendencies. That is when regarding the norms of course. Single individual productions have and always will exist of course, but they are outliers that can't dictate change in societal norms by themselves.
I wasn't even singling out technology per se in my tirade, but rather the psychological effect tools (which is part of an "altered environment" that naturally occurs as time passes I suppose) have on the creative mind (especially how it works on a higher, collectivist level).
Give an airbrush to two people from different eras and chances are they will use it quite differently.
strangedopamine
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So...what's your opinion on Disney's animation output since you agree with the entirety of that picture?
Theonik
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Flat western tripe 0/10. Would not Otaking.
Jex
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You're not responding to an argument I made, at least, not intentionally.
I was responding to another poster by explaining that, with current animation techniques you could replicate the look of older works. That's all I am saying.
I wouldn't deny that tools inform content, or that cell-era anime looks identical to modern animation. I can certainly tell at a glance if a work was from the cell era.
Theonik
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Right, though you cannot reduce the impact just to the use of cells. The 80s were what they were, you could replicate them if you wanted but it would still not be the same. Anime now are products of our times as anime of the 80s were products of theirs.
FormallyMegadrive
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i liked the ridiculousless of ninja robots ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_Senshi_Tobikage ). specifically the english dub that was aired on cartoon network in australia during the late 90s. i found all the episodes on dvd (2 episodes per dvd what, so theres like 16 dvds for one season) for $2 per dvd so now i own them all
Nah, it's more that in the 80s and 90s you could make what the heck you wanted and still be guaranteed to sell several thousand copies simply because video rental stores were desperate for as much content as they could get their hands on - home sales were just gravy on top of that. That, and the bubble economy genuinely did bloat production budgets - wealthy people were willing to throw a ton of money at pure vanity projects as if the stuff was disposable.
Even Mr Otaking had admitted that image was half-joking and somewhat disingenuous - he's comparing random TV animation to the cream of 80s/90s theatrical/video animation, and sometimes even production art to animation stills, in an attempt to exaggerate a point. You can't take it too seriously.
Theonik
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I love these threads because they help see who knows what the hell they are even talking about. I have also been a victim of this in this thread alone.
I agree with that.
What I intended to get across was that even if the intent was to replicate something, or "evoke a similar feeling", the final result wouldn't necessarily be the same simply because of how tools/environment affect method and subconscious tendencies in practice.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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It's a trap that people are all too eager to fall in in order to suit their narrative that everything made in the year 2000 onward is hot garbage while completely ignoring any and all evidence to the contrary.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Funny thing is modern anime is also prone to QUALITY
That's a troll image you know. Cherrypicking and shit.
I mean, I don't disagree. Nor does that take away from what I said. Both are true.
Jex
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Well, the point (I believe) of that particular image is not to necessarily say that all the anime on the right hand-side of the image are good, rather that cherry picking works for both sides of the argument.
Theonik
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An unexploded bomb is the most dangerous kind of trap
Silent assassins lying in wait, sleeping deep within the GAF
When they suddenly awaken the false peace is broken
GAF: A giant trap of a forum
There, the fuse is lit and the unexploded bomb awakens
Next time, The Trap
Otaking is the giant bomb waiting to explode
But will it be self destruction or guided to its target
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
yeah with the way how the images are worked, it's an intentional cherrypicking, as in it's pointing out how bad the argument is
bodyelectrics
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Man wish I hadn't missed this post, watched it last night - it's basically hentai with action scenes in between.
Jex
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I mean, you were warned. Yoshiaki Kawajiri's work tends to feature sex and nudity, often of the non-consensual variety. That's just how he rolls.
Clemsontigers35
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Can anyone here help me to identify an anime film from this time period? I saw it around early 2001 or 2002 on the Sci-Fi channel, on a Saturday morning. In the film, there was a space ship, and a large explosion in space. During the shots in space, there was no sound, despite the fact that an explosion was occuring (I'm not saying that's the incorrect behavior, just that it was interesting that the filmmakers would strive to make space explosions realistic enough to be soundless.) This explosion occurred for quite a long time, several minutes. Afterwards, the spaceship landed on a snowy planet. Inside shots of the ship looked quite spartan, for example, the framework of the ship was exposed. It was more Apollo 13, rather than the Enterprise. At this point, I had to shut off the movie, so that's all I remember. Noting the animation, there were no CG effects, it was all hand drawn.
In advance, thanks for your help.
In advance, thanks for your help.
I think the most audience friendly work of his is still Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust in that it's relatively free of that sort of thing, surprisingly removing the incestt/rape that's prominent in the source material. What a world.
I HATE when this picture gets posted. The author chose OVA's, movies, and promotional material and compared them to TV shows. And then there's the fact that he's trying to compare something drawn on threes in anime compared to twos and ones in American animation. I feel like he just did a google search for anime shading and took off images without looking where they came from or why they were that way.
Not to mention there's tons of western animation with fantastic shading and lighting, but that's another matter entirely.
Demon City Shinjuku probably is. It's grim and "dark", but it's surprisingly short on gore other than monsters getting killed or blown up, and there's no sex other than a female demon's quick nipple flash.
TheKaeptain
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I like the look of some of the new. What are their names?
I like how the intro slightly changes later in the series, at least the part close to the end with the 3 main female characters. At first (also in the linked one) they're all distant, but later on they're hugging each other or something like that.
I should really re-watch Outlaw Star, its my favorite anime of all times.
1998 was a damn good year for sci fi animes with Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop (started airing in 98, finished in 99) and Trigun.
I know, but there are people who think it's serious. Hell I know people who used it as an argument in another thread. It's kind of like that Miazaki troll quote that has been posted around (which I also hate).
Wicked City OST getting released on vinyl http://tigerlabvinyl.bigcartel.com/product/wicked-city-limited-edition-lp-pre-order
kaiju
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The 27 episode one you're referring to is Chronicles of the Heroic Knight, which is the sequel to the original 13 episode series. Depends who you talk to as far as which one is better. I prefer the original.
User 10639
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The Record of Lodoss War OVA is pretty good, and far superior to the TV show. I'd avoid the latter if I were you, to be honest.
Theonik
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The parts of the OVA they bothered animating anyway. TV is pretty bad though.
Except for the OP and the awesome post-credit shorts.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
Speaking of Kawajiri, he worked on at least one of the three OVA (TV Films ?) adaptations of Hi no Tori/The Firebird in ths 80s - guess which one :
The story of Gao (Karma chapter, by Rintaro) at least is a must watch.
I love the manga, but I've never been a fan of the 2000s anime TV series...
The story of Gao (Karma chapter, by Rintaro) at least is a must watch.
I love the manga, but I've never been a fan of the 2000s anime TV series...
Sci-fi Channel was pretty much my introduction to anime. I had seen Robotech years before and the random VHS tape, but this is what got me hooked. I bought Akira the same year Sci-Fi did their first "Adventures in Japanese Animation". Lensman, Robot Carnival, and Vampire Hunter D, all in one show. Hell of a night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvF5Mw8iR7A