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[ShockingAlberto]

Why on earth is DOA bad? It's a game whose art style is clearly targeted at straight males or gay / bisexual women. The games art design is highly sexual. As far as I know that's not bad by any means.

Not every game needs to appeal to every group of people.

Now if every single game looked like DOA then there is a problem.

Sex and sexuality itself is pretty awesome. Looks and feels great.

It is part of a larger thought of fighting games taking sexuality to absurd degrees (in DOA's case, breasts that act independently of each other). Thus the part about it being "bad about it," not bad in general.

Though

Marie Rose

Particularly her DLC

That's just straight up bad

 

[Fuchsdh]

Seriously. If Law Enforcement can't do shit about them then we need to get someone bigger to do it.

I seriously think the Game Industry, Social Network sites, etc. should find anyone who makes these threats - not the dissidents, just the actual criminals - and do more than just ban them.

They should also report them to the FBI, providing their entire IP address and any personal info they could find.
Then they should send a stern warning, by email, phone, snail mail, etc. that if they keep up this activity, not only will they lose their social networking privileges, but will also access to any online gaming accounts such as Steam, XBLA or PSN.

And remember. We don't go after the group. Not the hashtag. Just the criminals who happen to be their most dangerous voice.

tl;dr We must rally to do whatever we can to make sure there are real life consequences for criminal online behavior.

This is a nice rally statement, but in practice I don't see how you get from point A to point B.

IP addresses were rubbish as an identifier of who downloaded pirated music, they're rubbish if you're going to try someone for a crime.

Any big sweeping changes in how LEO respond to these sorts of threats is going to create a massive net that will just catch the bad guys. No such tool has ever been invented.

And are you asking for the federal government to be able to disable corporate subscriptions and services without criminal proceedings?

 

[Michanical]

I could be drawing broad stokes towards feminist in general, but my personal view on feminist is of an extreme nature, one that tries to evoke women as being more powerful than men and not of equal strengths.

Your view of feminism doesn't resemble anything even remotely mainstream in the feminist movement.

 

[RK128]

Saw the video in the OP and another someone posted on this page....just, damn .

I just don't get why people cannot have free speech and express their opinions in a civil manner without going "You bad, here are the threats!?!"; just makes humanity in general so primitive and narrow minded .

Hearing the stories about what Anita goes through on a daily basis, her admitting she can't be human anymore because of the backlash, and that video of comments/statements women in the gaming industry have wanted to say but couldn't due to the almost hellish nature of the online web; just not right at all X(.

Regarding her videos, she makes some great points and while I wish she would explain her examples more (like in one video she mentions how beating/killing hookers in GTAV is bad; yes it is bad, so what would you do about it? What could be done to make it better? Does it even fit in the games 'realistic' world? But she moves on to the next example and so on), she makes great points regardless and it is fantastic that the industry is taking steps in somewhat fixing that (a lot of the females in newer AAA games and tons of indie games are more modest and are much better in female representation; it was cool that the Towerfall devs had an Anitia skin in the game to honor her work ).

This whole debate and arguement just shows how communicating on the online web is a dangerous double edged sword; on one hand, it can stimulate fantastic communities that can be great places to be a part of (the PSN Thread for example ; great place with fantastic Gaffers giving great suggestions on games and offer nice discussions overall ). On the other hand......we have the 'dark' side of the web, with people using it as a 'mask' to torment people for their simple enjoyment. I find that this video explains that very, very well.

I just wish things would be better for everyone regarding communicating with the internet, so the more people speak out against the 'trolls' and finally stop the hate out there.

 

[RM8]

It is part of a larger thought of fighting games taking sexuality to absurd degrees (in DOA's case, breasts that act independently of each other). Thus the part about it being "bad about it," not bad in general.

Though

Marie Rose

Particularly her DLC

That's just straight up bad

Honestly, I think lots of fighters are pretty decent at female representation. I can only think of DOA and Skullgirls as the "fanservice-ish" series. Not that there aren't "sexy" characters in other series, but they co-exist with diverse designs. In KOF, for example, Mai and... Angel? Blue Mary? They're strongly outnumbered by a huge cast of females that are not only fully clothed, but important and well designed. Street Fighter is basically co-protagonized by Chun Li who is a pretty classy and important design (plus Makoto is the GOAT female in fighting games ).

 

[Tye The Czar]

Why on earth is DOA bad? It's a game whose art style is clearly targeted at straight males or gay / bisexual women. The games art design is highly sexual. As far as I know that's not bad by any means.

Not every game needs to appeal to every group of people.

Now if every single game looked like DOA then there is a problem.

Sex and sexuality itself is pretty awesome. Looks and feels great.

Exactly. Games like DOA can coexist with games that don't pander to men. We just want the latter to be rule rather than the exception.

 

[The Shogun]

It's the broader context that makes the game an issue. Sex and sexuality in and of itself is okay most of the time, but it's the pervasiveness of sex and sexuality as a cheap, lazy way to appeal to a single, solitary, dominating market that makes it problematic.

We have thousands upon thousands of games that are aimed at straight males, reinforcing again and again that the game industry is specifically catering to those people. Then we get some people going "uh, hey, can we get some more variety up here?" and it's met with unbelievable harassment.

Also, c'mon, like the games are really designed to appeal to gay/bisexual women. Any cross over to that market is a happy accident.

Hey I'm all for way more variety of titles and appeal. I agree the industry doesn't have great variety really yet. Then again I do think it's improving a lot lately.

Also using sex to sell is great. It works and is a basic human instinct. When I play Senran Kagura I don't play it for the plot. I play it for boobs. And I don't feel bad about it at all.

But yeah I'm all for games tackling more complex issues and bringing more diversity. Hell I looooooooved Gone Home

 

[InfiniteNine]

Why on earth is DOA bad? It's a game whose art style is clearly targeted at straight males or gay / bisexual women. The games art design is highly sexual. As far as I know that's not bad by any means.

Not every game needs to appeal to every group of people.

Now if every single game looked like DOA then there is a problem.

Sex and sexuality itself is pretty awesome. Looks and feels great.

I dunno I don't mind it being sexy but most of the outfits are just awful looking which is why I'm disappointed with Ninja pack 2 when 1 was pretty refreshing in toning things down and looking stylish. (I really just don't find most of the "sexy" outfits fulfill their goal either.) I would actually buy DLC costumes if almost all of them weren't ugly try hard "sexy" outfits.

 

[Nanashrew]

Seriously. If Law Enforcement can't do shit about them then we need to get someone bigger to do it.

I seriously think the Game Industry, Social Network sites, etc. should find anyone who makes these threats - not the dissidents, just the actual criminals - and do more than just ban them.

They should also report them to the FBI, providing their entire IP address and any personal info they could find.
Then they should send a stern warning, by email, phone, snail mail, etc. that if they keep up this activity, not only will they lose their social networking privileges, but will also access to any online gaming accounts such as Steam, XBLA or PSN.

And remember. We don't go after the group. Not the hashtag. Just the criminals who happen to be their most dangerous voice.

tl;dr We must rally to do whatever we can to make sure there are real life consequences for criminal online behavior.

FBI is doing an on-going investigation everything related to GamerGate as far as I'm aware. No arrests or anything has been made but some honestly should be arrested for what they do.

As for harassment in the online space, Crash Override just became a non-profit organization to help those who suffer from harassment, threats and hate. Providing community outreach and allowing victims to rebuild their lives. That is a step in a good direction for the internet. Police have no jurisdiction in the online space so something had to be done to help those in need, so Zoe Quinn and Alex Lifschitz created the program http://www.crashoverridenetwork.com/

 

[travisbickle]

I could be drawing broad stokes towards feminist in general, but my personal view on feminist is of an extreme nature, one that tries to evoke women as being more powerful than men and not of equal strengths.

You'd have to define power. You could be talking about the current sexual empowerment of women who are forgoing traditional patriarchal forms of relationship (marriage which has an undercurrent of male ownership) and instead choosing multiple partners and breaking ideas of chastity.

 

[RM8]

I dunno I don't mind it being sexy but most of the outfits are just awful looking which is why I'm disappointed with Ninja pack 2 when 1 was pretty refreshing in toning things down and looking stylish. (I really just don't find most of the "sexy" outfits fulfill their goal either.) I would actually buy DLC costumes if almost all of them weren't ugly try hard "sexy" outfits.

Yup. Regardless of what's right or wrong, to me these "sexy" outfits are hideous and tacky, lol.

 

[Riposte]

Why on earth is DOA bad? It's a game whose art style is clearly targeted at straight males or gay / bisexual women. The games art design is highly sexual. As far as I know that's not bad by any means.

Not every game needs to appeal to every group of people.

Now if every single game looked like DOA then there is a problem.

Sex and sexuality itself is pretty awesome. Looks and feels great.

Your response highlights my issue with the notion of "like something, but still be critical of it" as an amicable phrase. I think it be quite vapid. For example, "You can enjoy problematic things and still want improvement" translates cleanly into "You can enjoy things with problems and still want to fix those problems", which isn't saying much.

The "problems" might be what's appealing, based on personal taste. So why be critical of them if that's the case? Why not even praise them? Which is what you are doing, in this instance. In this situation, it just comes off as saying "agree with me that this part you like (or are apathetic towards) is bad, you can still like the parts I find acceptable". Sometimes, that's what people are arguing about in the first place.

I guess when the context is "you are (or I'm) not a monster for playing this game I think is somewhat gross, so don't be insulted", it means something.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

wait, so feminism in general is represented by one equal playing field, one where all feminist share the same ideology on how feminism should be represented?

Feminism is true advocacy for equality between genders. That's really it. There is not any particular consensus on how to achieve that, nor should there be. Many camps exist with different ideas on how to progress.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Honestly, I think lots of fighters are pretty decent at female representation. I can only think of DOA and Skullgirls as the "fanservice-ish" series. Not that there aren't "sexy" characters in other series, but they co-exist with diverse designs. In KOF, for example, Mai and... Angel? Blue Mary? They're strongly outnumbered by a huge cast of females that are not only fully clothed, but important and well designed. Street Fighter is basically co-protagonized by Chun Li who is a pretty classy and important design (plus Makoto is the GOAT female in fighting games ).

SNK is infuriating to me because there's characters I think are legitimately good, like Blue Mary and Vanessa, but then there's Mai.

That's a problem in general. There's these occasional "Oh, this is fine," then you find the ones that really, really aren't. I think Cassie Cage in MKX looks great! I think Sonya Blade in MK9 looks terrible! I think Millena's alternate bandage costume makes me ashamed to play video games!

Street Fighter has mostly righted its own ship, but I think its an exception to the rule.

 

[RM8]

Your response highlights my issue with the notion of "like something, but still be critical of it" as an amicable phrase. I think it be quite vapid. For example, "You can enjoy problematic things and still want improvement" translates cleanly into "You can enjoy things with problems and still want to fix those problems", which isn't saying much.

The "problems" might be what's appealing, based on personal taste. So why be critical of them if that's the case? Why not even praise them? Which is what you are doing, in this instance. In this situation, it just comes off as saying "agree with me that this part you like (or are apathetic towards) is bad, you can still like the parts I find acceptable". Sometimes, that's what people are arguing about in the first place.

I guess when the context is "you are (or I'm) not a monster for playing this game I think is somewhat gross, so don't be insulted", it means something.

Nah. I haven't watched many of Anita's videos, but I watched the "Ms. male character" one, and I found it to be true. MeeMee from Super Monkey Ball is a Ms. male character, and her main trait is being a female (she even wears a skirt - a pink skirt! ). I don't think MeeMee is terrible, gross or evil, and I actually love MeeMee in Super Monkey Ball. In the same way, you could see that DOA's nipple-and-labia-covering bikini outfits might make some players uncomfortable, or identify that the fanservice doesn't go both ways (skimpy outfits for males are basically MMA outfits, not tiny thongs with bouncy testicles, lol) - and you can still love DOA.

SNK is infuriating to me because there's characters I think are legitimately good, like Blue Mary and Vanessa, but then there's Mai.

That's a problem in general. There's these occasional "Oh, this is fine," then you find the ones that really, really aren't. I think Cassie Cage in MKX looks great! I think Sonya Blade in MK9 looks terrible! I think Millena's alternate bandage costume makes me ashamed to play video games!

Street Fighter has mostly righted its own ship, but I think its an exception to the rule.

I find it hard to be mad at Mai in a series with Kasumi, Xiangfei, King, Chizuru, May Lee, Mature, Vice, Athena, Yuri, Kula, Leona, Whip, Vanessa, Elisabeth, Hinako, Malin, etc. Mai is absolutely, completely outnumbered by the non-DOA females, lol.

 

[Michanical]

wait, so feminism in general is represented by one equal playing field, one where all feminist share the same ideology on how feminism should be represented?

Every movement, religion, ideology, and political party is fuzzy around the edges in respects what their participants believe, but like feminism, they have a central core belief system. If you claim to believe or endorse a series of ideas antithetical to the core beliefs, you can't in good faith still claim to be part of that movement.

 

[sensui-tomo]

It is part of a larger thought of fighting games taking sexuality to absurd degrees (in DOA's case, breasts that act independently of each other). Thus the part about it being "bad about it," not bad in general.

Though

Marie Rose

Particularly her DLC

That's just straight up bad

You wouldnt call anyone out if they did like her right?(since it wouldnt define them) (basically this character and some others are the shitstorms of the one thread i'd actually like to run and ask on gaf, but again Shitstorm is the term and for good reason.)
(note my feelings on the character are meh, its just for the sake of an arguement i'm not sure is there or not)

 

[Jumplion]

Hey I'm all for way more variety of titles and appeal. I agree the industry doesn't have great variety really yet. Then again I do think it's improving a lot lately.

Also using sex to sell is great. It works and is a basic human instinct. When I play Senran Kagura I don't play it for the plot. I play it for boobs. And I don't feel bad about it at all.

But yeah I'm all for games tackling more complex issues and bringing more diversity. Hell I looooooooved Gone Home

Sure, and that's perfectly alright (though there is some debate on whether sex really sells, or at least not as amazingly effective as people think). It just pays to understand why other people might not be as receptive to the T&A as much as you are.

 

[The Shogun]

That's a problem in general. There's these occasional "Oh, this is fine," then you find the ones that really, really aren't. I think Cassie Cage in MKX looks great! I think Sonya Blade in MK9 looks terrible! I think Millena's alternate bandage costume makes me ashamed to play video games!

You are ashamed to play games because there might be girls in skimpy outfits?

That.......does not sound like a healthy way to look at sex.

 

[oni-link]

The original clip has been re-uploaded by the channel, now with the comments disabled, so it looks like the first one was removed because of the comments

Link is here

Also added to the OP

 

[Marcel]

You are ashamed to play games because there might be girls in skimpy outfits?

That.......does not sound like a healthy way to look at sex.

You can be a person who is in touch with their sexuality and also find the DOA outfits laughable, pandering and immature. But hey, it's fighting games so it's pretty much par for the course.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Wow, I mainly game to play with my 11 year old son. We have 2 Ps4 and 2 Tv's next to each other. We love to play together. I just buy games we can both enjoy, coop mainly.

We play for fun, enjoyment and escapism. I may not be as eloquent as many on here, just simple words..... I don't see a problem.

What words would you use for why you enjoy gaming ?

It's a part of my life.
It's something I grew up with and formed an attachment to.
It told me stories in a way books and movie couldn't quite do it.

If you ask many of the Gaffers about what they're favorite game is of all time, you'd have pages and pages of discourse and argument over those lists.

Not everyone has that same attachment to video games, I understand, but I'd like to think the average Gaffer has some attachment to them, otherwise they wouldn't bother being here.

Maybe you didn't grow up with them the same way other people did, but it's insulting to reduce someone's attempt at making video games better via critique to "it's all about enjoyment and escapism".

It's people who challenge the status quo and present realistic alternatives that becomes the movers and shakers of the world. Maybe Anita is the right person or Maybe someone after her will do the job better, but she fits a need and perspective that execs and current creators lack.

If she makes those same games that you play with your son better, would you be ok with her and her cause?

 

[sensui-tomo]

You are ashamed to play games because there might be girls in skimpy outfits?

That.......does not sound like a healthy way to look at sex.

he was quoting someone else hence the quotation " <-

 

[John Rabbit]

I find it hard to be mad at Mai in a series with Kasumi, Xiangfei, King, Chizuru, May Lee, Mature, Vice, Athena, Yuri, Kula, Leona, Whip, Vanessa, Elisabeth, Hinako, Malin, etc. Mai is absolutely, completely outnumbered by the non-DOA females, lol.

i don't think we should be judging a game's relative inclusivity/representation by the exact percentage of misogyny it contains.

While I can see someone persona not liking it, being outright ashamed? Because boobs?

Do you feel ashamed to watch movies when you turn on a Marvel film with its blatantly obvious pandering to women with quite literally every single film having highly sexualizd shots of buff, beautiful, shirtless men?

is there a link or some kind of standardized reply to this line of thinking? sexualized depictions of men do not excuse, condone, or allow the continued objectification of women.

 

[The Shogun]

You can be a person who is in touch with their sexuality and also find the DOA outfits laughable, pandering and immature. But hey, it's fighting games so it's pretty much par for the course.

While I can see someone persona not liking it, being outright ashamed? Because boobs?

Do you feel ashamed to watch movies when you turn on a Marvel film with its blatantly obvious pandering to women with quite literally every single film having highly sexualizd shots of buff, beautiful, shirtless men?

 

[sensui-tomo]

While I can see someone persona not liking it, being outright ashamed? Because boobs?

Do you feel ashamed to watch movies when you turn on a Marvel film with its blatantly obvious pandering to women with quite literally every single film having highly sexualizd shots of buff, beautiful, shirtless men?

I can tell you this is my point" I've become almost completely desensitized to sexual content in general, the faster people are desensitized to that material the sooner marketers have to actually find neat ways to sell to customers, since the Sex sells point would be gone in that hypothetical " But that is a pipe dream for me. And I have seen tons of gaffers shame other gaffers for what they find attractive.

 

[RM8]

i don't think we should be judging a game's relative inclusivity/representation by the exact percentage of misogyny it contains.

I just think it makes a good case for diverse female designs, at the very least, not that Mai shouldn't be better.

 

[Marcel]

While I can see someone persona not liking it, being outright ashamed? Because boobs?

Do you feel ashamed to watch movies when you turn on a Marvel film with its blatantly obvious pandering to women with quite literally every single film having highly sexualizd shots of buff, beautiful, shirtless men?

Do I personally feel ashamed as a gay person? No. But then again I am mostly desensitized to sexual pandering of all kinds thanks to the hetero male-oriented marketing/pandering of video game culture in general.

Honestly I have no stake in the kind of discussion where we pretend pandering to women and men is the same thing with the same cultural and societal implications.

 

[pantsonhead]

That opening line is some shit man. I guess it's easy to forget (at least for me) that she is a person on top of everything else.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

While I can see someone persona not liking it, being outright ashamed? Because boobs?

Do you feel ashamed to watch movies when you turn on a Marvel film with its blatantly obvious pandering to women with quite literally every single film having highly sexualizd shots of buff, beautiful, shirtless men?

To be fair, they don't go into combat wearing fetish gear like they do in DOA. I mean hell, Ayane has a fighting outfit consisting of a bikini bottom and a flower lay on top.

And people do complain about the cheesecake in marvel movies. Black Widow has been a major source of that, given how she appears on promotional material versus the guys.

 

[The Shogun]

Do I personally feel ashamed as a gay person? No. But then again I am mostly desensitized to sexual pandering of all kinds thanks to the hetero male-oriented marketing/pandering of video game culture in general.

Honestly I have no stake in the kind of discussion where we pretend pandering to women and men is the same thing with the same cultural and societal implications.

Ehhhhhh there's an epic ass ton of marketing aimed squarely at selling sex to women. Like an epic fuck ton.

I'm not willing to say one is more than the other but pretending there isn't an absurd amount is crazy. Not sure if you noticed but the top film at the box office a couple weeks ago was a movie that was literally sold and billed as a women's sexual fantasy.

 

[oni-link]

That opening line is some shit man. I guess it's easy to forget (at least for me) that she is a person on top of everything else.

The level of shit and fear that has been thrown at her just for the sake of talking about video games is literally staggering

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

It's really disheartening that the video was pulled.

Anita, if you're reading this, I just want to say I'm a male gamer and I stand by you!

 

[Opto]

While I can see someone persona not liking it, being outright ashamed? Because boobs?

Do you feel ashamed to watch movies when you turn on a Marvel film with its blatantly obvious pandering to women with quite literally every single film having highly sexualizd shots of buff, beautiful, shirtless men?

Are these the same films where the buff dudes have the most agency and all the cool powers and has like one girl that is s? You're talking some false equivalency there. And I'd wager that those shots are mostly there to show the muscle/power of the dudes for guys.

 

[dragonfart28]

Sure, and that's perfectly alright (though there is some debate on whether sex really sells, or at least not as amazingly effective as people think). It just pays to understand why other people might not be as receptive to the T&A as much as you are.

If VR takes off, Anita will need to construct an A-Team of feminists.

Has she addressed VR yet?

 

[geordiemp]

It's a part of my life.
It's something I grew up with and formed an attachment to.
It told me stories in a way books and movie couldn't quite do it.

If you ask many of the Gaffers about what they're favorite game is of all time, you'd have pages and pages of discourse and argument over those lists.

Not everyone has that same attachment to video games, I understand, but I'd like to think the average Gaffer has some attachment to them, otherwise they wouldn't bother being here.

Maybe you didn't grow up with them the same way other people did, but it's insulting to reduce someone's attempt at making video games better via critique to "it's all about enjoyment and escapism".

It's people who challenge the status quo and present realistic alternatives that becomes the movers and shakers of the world. Maybe Anita is the right person or Maybe someone after her will do the job better, but she fits a need and perspective that execs and current creators lack.

If she makes those same games that you play with your son better, would you be ok with her and her cause?

I started playing games in the Zx81 days, even wrote for a few zx mags where they use to print you game lol. Old guy here...makes me more amenable I guess...

I have played allot of games. Personally I dislike sexual content in all games, I will play shooing and action games with my son beyond his age rating, but sexualisation is a big turn off. But I would not try to put down those that do....So in that respect I like allot of the ideology on here, as long as every now and then he can play the knight to save the princess in the castle.

Yes there are serious gamers, I enjoy games and buy and play allot, but there is the real world for serious stuff..... maybe I am a bit pathetic in liking the star wars type stories and the serious stuff is a bit much for us. Even when I get into heavy stuff its hard for me to appreciate it playing next to my son with 2 x Tv's side by side.....Maybe I am trying to say that when playing coop with an 11 year old don't want things to get too heavy....(although I did complete Dragon age inquisition twice when he was not around, Ps4 on business trips with me)

And I would say 2 x ps4, 2 x 360 and 2 x ps4 with w905 low input lag TV's side by side is more than a passing interest......

 

[shink]

Huh, so Anita's video was the only one that had to be taken down and re uploaded with comments disabled. Wonder why that might be...

 

[John Rabbit]

I just think it makes a good case for diverse female designs, at the very least, not that Mai shouldn't be better.

fair enough, agreed.

semi-related note: King's design is just too awesome.

 

[Odrion]

ya know what nvm

 

[Griss]

Your response highlights my issue with the notion of "like something, but still be critical of it" as an amicable phrase. I think it be quite vapid. For example, "You can enjoy problematic things and still want improvement" translates cleanly into "You can enjoy things with problems and still want to fix those problems", which isn't saying much.

The "problems" might be what's appealing, based on personal taste. So why be critical of them if that's the case? Why not even praise them? Which is what you are doing, in this instance. In this situation, it just comes off as saying "agree with me that this part you like (or are apathetic towards) is bad, you can still like the parts I find acceptable". Sometimes, that's what people are arguing about in the first place.

I guess when the context is "you are (or I'm) not a monster for playing this game I think is somewhat gross, so don't be insulted", it means something.

Outstanding post, imo. Would have been better if you had also tackled how vague and terrible the word 'problematic' is. Content is either harmful or harmless, which is concrete and easily understood. 'Problematic' can mean any one of a number of things, and is so poorly defined or understood. What, exactly, is the problem being referred to? Is it that the content is causing harm in some way? If so, just say harmful. If not, then I'm not really concerned with whatever 'problem' you're discussing, because it is largely academic.

And I can't state that the sexual content in DoA is harmful (or 'problematic') when it is a reason I play and enjoy the game. In fact, I don't agree that it's harmful to anyone at all. Yet this 'Just because you like it doesn't mean it's not problematic' line seems to appeal to the non-conflict side of the listener, to get them to go, 'Well okay then, sure... so long as I'm still allowed to like it' - but without questioning to themselves 'Hold on, is this actually problematic, and what exactly does that mean?'.

 

[sensui-tomo]

nice avatar

I know right, always a sad panda in the corner, but it pays to know that other people know of the sad panda

Spoiler

to know the sad panda is acknowledging you know its source

 

[The Shogun]

Are these the same films where the buff dudes have the most agency and all the cool powers and has like one girl that is s? You're talking some false equivalency there. And I'd wager that those shots are mostly there to show the muscle/power of the dudes for guys.

First of all, yes there should be more representation of powerful women in Marvel. Luckily more are coming such as Captain Marvel.

Secondly those shots are aimed squarely at women. Everyone who saw Thor the Dark World in theatres. Know what I'm talking about. I heard women audibly gasp during this scene

Marvel knows exactly what it's doing and there's nothing wrong with that

 

[Marcel]

Ehhhhhh there's an epic ass ton of marketing aimed squarely at selling sex to women. Like an epic fuck ton.

I'm not willing to say one is more than the other but pretending there isn't an absurd amount is crazy. Not sure if you noticed but the top film at the box office a couple weeks ago was a movie that was literally sold and billed as a women's sexual fantasy.

And my statement does not imply that it doesn't exist. I brought it back to video game culture in my statement since film or the popular movie du jour is not really part of this discussion.

 

[sensui-tomo]

First of all, yes there should be more representation of powerful women in Marvel. Luckily more are coming such as Captain Marvel.

Secondly those shots are aimed squarely at women. Everyone who saw Thor the Dark World in theatres. Know what I'm talking about. I heard women audibly gasp during this scene

Marvel knows exactly what it's doing and there's nothing wrong with that

marvel hasnt made the Thor and Doctor strange vs loki movie yet, so no they dont know how to market yet.

 

[FF Seraphim]

I know right, always a sad panda in the corner, but it pays to know that other people know of the sad panda

Spoiler

to know the sad panda is acknowledging you know its source

Sorry mate but this will always be the original sad panda for me
Tarepanda

 

[RM8]

fair enough, agreed.

semi-related note: King's design is just too awesome.

King is awesome and she comes from a 1992 Japanese fighting game. That's really my point, SNK is pretty awesome at this

 

[The Technomancer]

Fucking amazing

I've been wondering who would be the first to just let all of the fury out

 

[Michanical]

You are ashamed to play games because there might be girls in skimpy outfits?

That.......does not sound like a healthy way to look at sex.

I understand what he is saying. For me, the sexism and male pandering in video games makes me ashamed to admit I play video games. I would never show one of my female friends DoA, it's literally too embarrassing.

 

[DoktorEvil]

I am probably older than you, I started playing games in the Zx81 days, even wrote for a few zx mags where they use dto print you game lol. I have played allot of games. Personally I dislike sexual content in all games, I will play shooing and action games with my son beyond his age rating, but sexualisation is a big turn off. But I would not try to put down those that do....So in that respect I like allot of the ideology on here, as long as every now and then he can play the night to save the princess in the castle.

Yes there are serious gamers, I enjoy games and buy and play allot, but there is the real world for serious stuff..... maybe I am a bit pathetic in liking the star wars type stories and the serious stuff is a bit much for us. Even when I get into heavy stuff its hard for me to appreciate it playing next to my son with 2 x Tv's side by side.....Maybe I am trying to say that when playing coop with an 11 year old don't want things to get too heavy....

If you're old enough to know and see how far gaming has gone from the Zx days, then you can see how gaming could use much less of saving the Princess and other version of the very rudimentary narrative used to push gameplay along.

Anita's videos helped Neil Druckmann make TLOU into a better game. Ellie was written into a better, more impactful character because of her video series. That's quite the endorsement.

 

[The Shogun]

And my statement does not imply that it doesn't exist. I brought it back to video game culture in my statement since film or the popular movie du jour is not really part of this discussion.

Ohhh yeah in terms of the gaming landscape for sure you are correct. In terms of selling sex it's 99% targeted at straight males. Which yeah is a problem. Like I said I do think the gaming industry for sure has a representation issue.

I was just talking about other mediums. Stuff like the Film industry target sexuality at both sexes quite a bit.