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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It wasn't an obvious interaction compared to the usual Edit button toggle. Are you getting it?

That's what I'm saying it wasn't obvious yet people are jumping on me like I should have known or figured it out. I'm saying it was fair that I didn't know it existed. Look at how other people are responding to me like I should have known.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does. If you try to do similar actions either using two different methods, or if you allow something to happen on one item but not another, that breaks general ease of usage UI. It's a pretty common UI principle. That doesn't mean that there isn't a valid reason to do it, but to say it doesn't go against some basic UI principles isn't true either.
 
I'm going to assume that everyone here stmbled upon the swipe delete method by accident like I did. I find it hard to believe that you would never have accidentally or incidentally swiped your finger while browsing email or the songs on list view and seen the delete button. And once you saw it once, you'd probably try to delete other things that way, and discover what works and what doesn't. Not elegant, but like everyone else, I don't know anyone who has owned an iPhone for a while and doesn't know that swipe delete method.
 
VanMardigan said:
I'm going to assume that everyone here stmbled upon the swipe delete method by accident like I did. I find it hard to believe that you would never have accidentally or incidentally swiped your finger while browsing email or the songs on list view and seen the delete button. And once you saw it once, you'd probably try to delete other things that way, and discover what works and what doesn't. Not elegant, but like everyone else, I don't know anyone who has owned an iPhone for a while and doesn't know that swipe delete method.

But it doesn't work on songs. I've tried deleting music before and never found a way to do it. People here say you can't. So again, how was I supposed to know you could on Podcasts when you can't on music and audiobooks?

Also I guess I've never accidentally did a horizontal swipe when vertical swipe scrolling on my e-mail list. Not sure why I would accidentally do such a contrasting stroke accidentally. When I click on an e-mail, I simply tap it without swiping. So again, I'm not sure how I would have discovered that. Also when I'm reading e-mail, I simply tap on one then delete or go to the next one till I'm done reading all my e-mails.

So I'm not sure how I would have accidentally discovered such a contrasting motion that I never used.
 
VanMardigan said:
Not elegant, but like everyone else, I don't know anyone who has owned an iPhone for a while and doesn't know that swipe delete method.

I've owned an iPhone for six months, an iPod Touch for a year before that, and I had absolutely no idea that this could be done...
 
Marty Chinn said:
Yes it does. If you try to do similar actions either using two different methods, or if you allow something to happen on one item but not another, that breaks general ease of usage UI. It's a pretty common UI principle. That doesn't mean that there isn't a valid reason to do it, but to say it doesn't go against some basic UI principles isn't true either.
No. Stop.

The swipe method exists almost everywhere. That is the universal interaction. The Edit toggle to see Delete buttons is a unique situation added in applications where it is appropriate because deleting is a common or important interaction within that application. It doesn't break any UI ideas or ruin any principles. Everything does not have to be exactly the same in everything you use.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Well in the case of say text messages or e-mail, there was always another method to delete. That's not the case here. So because of the other method to delete which was extremely more obvious because there is an on screen indicator, I never had to learn that there was a swipe. Music albums can be 60 to 80 MB per album. Deleting a couple albums is instantly a couple hundred meg so I wouldn't say it's not substantial. Plus the fact that you can delete some and not others makes it less intuitive. Needing to know its there and how to do it to begin with goes against the concept in some ways of being intuitive. All I'm saying is the iPhone because of its inconsistant design put me in a working frame that I don't think is my fault for not realizing I can swipe in some cases to delete when that's not always the case.

Oh it's not your fault for not realizing. (Though, honestly, it's been a pretty heavily touted/promoted feature since the iPhone was announced.) Almost by nature I try the swipe to delete on everything. Sometimes it works. Other times it doesn't. And in a lot of apps it is not advertised that you can do it. For instance, you can do it in the Facebook application to delete something you posted to your wall if by chance you didn't mean to post it (there is no edit button). But you can't do it to remove someone from your friends list.

I think it's more consistent than you're thinking. In the iPod app, you can't delete within sections that are just audio. In the video area, you can delete videos. Since podcasts can be video or audio, you can delete anything in the podcasts area individually. Since in iTunes podcasts are not listed as part of your music library, it remains consistent.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
No. Stop.

The swipe method exists almost everywhere. That is the universal interaction. The Edit toggle to see Delete buttons is a unique situation added in applications where it is appropriate because deleting is a common or important interaction within that application. It doesn't break any UI ideas or ruin any principles. Everything does not have to be exactly the same in everything you use.

Deleting podcasts but not audiobooks and music breaks a core UI principle. The Edit toggle highlights that as a delete functionality and takes away from the user discovering the swipe because they expect to use that for deleting. One of the key things in UI design and interaction is consistency and expected behavior.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Deleting podcasts but not audiobooks and music breaks a core UI principle.
Okay, you've repeated this enough. Cite the "core UI principle" that is being broken here.

Marty Chinn said:
One of the key things in UI design and interaction is consistency and expected behavior.
Yes. But you're not arguing consistency and expected behavior. You're arguing that everything should be exactly the same everywhere. You're arguing that delete buttons and delete functionality should exist where deleting is not wanted by design. It's insane.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Okay, you've repeated this enough. Cite the "core UI principle" that is being broken here.

Yes. But you're not arguing consistency and expected behavior. You're arguing that everything should be exactly the same everywhere. You're arguing that delete buttons and delete functionality should exist where deleting is not wanted by design. It's insane.

It's not obvious? Why would I be expected to delete a podcast audio file when I can't delete a music file, music album or audiobook? They're all my audio files but I can delete some and not others. That breaks the consistency and expected behavior factor. The fact that I couldn't delete music and audiobooks, why would I suddenly understand that I could delete podcasts? How are you not seeing this?

Yes I am arguing consistency and expected behavior. If I want to delete something, there shouldn't be different ways to do it among multiple core Apple applications. If I want to delete something, it shouldn't let me do it on some but not others. That is where the consistency breaks down and why I never realized it was possible. If you train your user to use the UI in a specific way which then obscures other functionality, that breaks the expected behavior rule. You can google these core principles and functionality. I've worked on doing this stuff too and have iterated through several UIs over time.
 
Marty Chinn said:
That breaks the consistency and expected behavior factor.
Again, you're confusing consistency as a system where everything is exactly the same.

Consistency in this scenario would be that in every case where you can delete something, you either get a Delete button or a swipe motion. That is consistency and it exists. Wanting the delete option in everything just because it can be added for the sake of being added is where you're just being bonkers.

Marty Chinn said:
The fact that I couldn't delete music and audiobooks, why would I suddenly understand that I could delete podcasts? How are you not seeing this?
The point I made in my original post which feels like a decade ago is that the delete option is not obvious because it's not an implied or important behavior. The option exists, but it is not necessarily promoted. You're acting as if you've never seen hidden interactions in a computer application before.
 
Zachack said:
So can I delete music from my iPhone without iTunes or not?
No. If they were to allow you to do that, the next time you sync your iPhone they would delete the same music off your home computer, hence the concept of "syncing." The music transferring on the iPhone is based on the concept of staying equal to the music on your home computer (or staying equal with designated playlists).
 
Marty Chinn said:
Yes I am arguing consistency and expected behavior. If I want to delete something, there shouldn't be different ways to do it among multiple core Apple applications. If I want to delete something, it shouldn't let me do it on some but not others. That is where the consistency breaks down and why I never realized it was possible. If you train your user to use the UI in a specific way which then obscures other functionality, that breaks the expected behavior rule. You can google these core principles and functionality. I've worked on doing this stuff too and have iterated through several UIs over time.
http://developer.apple.com/iphone/l...p.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40006556-CH4-SW4

The more complex gestures, such as swipe or pinch open, are also used consistently in the built-in applications, but they are less common. In general these gestures are used as shortcuts to expedite a task, not as the only way to perform a task. When viewing a list of messages in Mail, for example, users delete a message by revealing and then tapping the Delete button in the preview row for the message. Users can reveal the Delete button in two different ways:

*Tap the Edit button in the navigation bar, which reveals a delete control in each preview row. Then, tap the delete control in a specific preview row to reveal the Delete button for that message.
*Make the swipe gesture across a specific preview row to reveal the Delete button for that message.

The first method takes an extra step, but is easily discoverable because it requires only the tap and begins with the clearly labeled Edit button. The second method is faster, but it requires the user to learn and remember the more specialized swipe gesture.

To ensure that your application is discoverable and easy to use, therefore, try to limit the gestures you require to the most familiar, that is, tap and drag. You should also avoid making one of the less common gestures, such as swipe or pinch open, the only way to perform an action. There should always be a simple, straightforward way to perform an action, even if it means an extra tap or two.

I'm guessing there's no delete for audiobooks and music because it's paid content. Users would be sol after syncing.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Again, you're confusing consistency as a system where everything is exactly the same.

Consistency in this scenario would be that in every case where you can delete something, you either get a Delete button or a swipe motion. That is consistency and it exists. Wanting the delete option in everything just because it can be added for the sake of being added is where you're just being bonkers.

I think if I can delete podcasts and videos, I should be able to delete music and audiobooks. That's certainly fair and I think would be consistent behavior. Allowing to delete some of your media and not all of your media is not what I call consistent.

The point I made in my original post which feels like a decade ago is that the delete option is not obvious because it's not an implied or important behavior. The option exists, but it is not necessarily promoted. You're acting as if you've never seen hidden interactions in a computer application before.

And the point I'm making is that Apple has this obvious method for deletion which overrides the hidden method. Thus you may never discover the hidden method because they've made such an obvious interface. That obvious interface becomes the expected behavior on how to delete things. You can't tell me that if you're told to delete a podcast or video in order to make room for your new download that a user wouldn't expect to delete things through the same method that is used in multiple other core apps that is blatantly obvious. That is by the very definition, expected behavior.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I think if I can delete podcasts and videos, I should be able to delete music and audiobooks. That's certainly fair and I think would be consistent behavior. Allowing to delete some of your media and not all of your media is not what I call consistent.
Have you ever seen "Advanced Options" preferences? It works exactly the same way.

Before this thread where you found out about the swipe motion, you viewed everything as consistent.. It was exactly as you keep stubbornly describing. It was only once you learned the Advanced Option for deleting that you suddenly got stupid about consistency.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Have you ever seen "Advanced Options" preferences? It works exactly the same way.

Before this thread where you found out about the swipe motion, you viewed everything as consistent.. It was exactly as you keep stubbornly describing. It was only once you learned the Advanced Option for deleting that you suddenly got stupid about consistency.

No, that's not what happened. I complained that you were tied to iTunes to manage your content which lead to the discovery of the inconsistent behavior because for some stuff you can delete, and others you can't. The latter made me believe I was tied to iTunes. So one complaint was wrong, which lead to finding the root of the problem and it's that root of the problem that gave the false conception of the original complaint.

Edit:

In fact even Apple agrees with me on the core principle:

You should also avoid making one of the less common gestures, such as swipe or pinch open, the only way to perform an action. There should always be a simple, straightforward way to perform an action, even if it means an extra tap or two.
 
numble said:
No. If they were to allow you to do that, the next time you sync your iPhone they would delete the same music off your home computer, hence the concept of "syncing." The music transferring on the iPhone is based on the concept of staying equal to the music on your home computer (or staying equal with designated playlists).
That seems poorly designed. I have iTunes pointing accessing far more music than my iPhone, and my Zune doesn't delete anything when I sync. Considering the gross disparity between the iPhone storage and the standard storage on any PC/Mac, it seems pretty nonsensical to have the smaller mobile device deleting anything.
 
Marty Chinn said:
But you can do that for videos which are also paid content.
Maybe they allowed that because videos are much larger in file size on a small storage device? I don't know, I really can't say what the reasoning is.

But the point still stands about having multiple ways to do something. ;)
 
Man the lack of news is really hurting this thread. With every bump comes a new pointless argument.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Do you think they'll ever open up the iPad/iPhone so that you can manage your memory easier without being tied to iTunes as much? For example, a friend recommended a game to me while I was at work but it was free for a limited time so I should jump on it right away. However, my iPhone didn't have enough space to download the 130 meg game and it told me to delete some stuff first. So the problems here were:

1) I couldn't buy the content because I didn't have enough space which means I could miss out. I wish there was a way to buy now but download later.

2) I couldn't delete podcasts, music, or videos till I got home to my ONE computer that is allowed to manage my content on my iPhone.

These two factors seemed to be a terrible combination of keeping the iPad relatively independent and can put you in a bind sometimes. It's not the first time that it has happened and has been pretty annoying.

For something that people are promoting as a computer for the masses, they still need a normal computer to manage it which I think in some ways defeats the purpose.

I'm gonna go back to your original question here, because while it seems to have shifted to "why can't I delete music?!?!?!" your original goal was to make room to download an app. And there are multiple ways to do that. The main one being deleting apps already on your phone or videos -- those two things are likely the biggest memory hogs.

Needing a normal computer to manage the content is a separate issue -- on a device that could easily be lost, stolen or otherwise broken (dropped in water, dropped on the ground) I almost don't see why you would *want* to use it completely independently of a computer at least at this stage. If there were some way to sync to the cloud or put your settings/contacts/documents/etc. somewhere where they could be retrieved if something happened to the device then I think we start seeing more reason to have a completely independent piece of hardware. Even if you use a laptop as your main computer, if you're not backing up your data onto a separate drive you're taking some chances.
 
I have some extra cash this month, might just spring and get the most basic iPad for a lounge web reader.

The lack of plugin support really will pain me as I do it. Any UK prices or dates announced

I keep bouncing between MartyChinn & SuperPacs views, damn it.

You guys should record a one off podcast on this :lol
 
Gowans007 said:
I have some extra cash this month, might just spring and get the most basic iPad for a lounge web reader.

The lack of plugin support really will pain me as I do it. Any UK prices or dates announced

I keep bouncing between MartyChinn & SuperPacs views, damn it.

You guys should record a one off podcast on this :lol

Ha.

The current unconfirmed rumor on UK iPad pricing is (wifi only, no pricing for the wifi + 3G) --

• The 16GB Wi-Fi will be £389
• The 32GB Wi-Fi model will be £439
• The 64GB Wi-Fi model will be £489

No date that I've heard.


BTW this video makes me laugh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o20mUEpjxs - An ASUS touch netbook. And seeing this in action here makes me wonder how anyone could stand using it as a touch device -- especially now after the iPad but even in the era of the iPod Touch and iPhone. I mean seriously, push an hold a button to select screen orientation? Such awful touch control where you have to touch links 2-3 times? Scrolling web pages looks like such a chore it'd just be easier with a mouse. Anyway, it looks archaic compared to the experience shown in January on the iPad. Ha.
 
no way the prices will be that low. Thats a £50 premium for each step up from 16-32-64. In the US, its $100 + tax. Its just too low for the UK. I'd love to be proved wrong though, and I expect the base one to be around £379-399 (US price + 17.5% VAT) - just not for the larger memory ones to be that cheap



Marty, there is a fundamental difference between podcasts and audiobooks/music. Audiobooks/music is purchased from the itunes store, it is permanent content. Podcasts are designed to be temporary - although some places offer all their podcasts to download, other companies (eg the BBC) only offer them for a week, then replace them with a new one. Also, podcasts will tend to contain more time-critical content, news, topical items etc.

So it could easily be argued that once you've listened to it, you may want to delete it, whereas you wouldn't for purchased content.
 
I'm seriously considering the 3G 16gb iPad but I'm currently paying £25 a month for unlimited 3G and unlimited texts and 600 mins and I just don't think I can bring my self to pay for another data plan. But who knows what Apple's plan is with the UK.

Anyone planning on buying the Wi-Fi only version?
 
Finding funding to develop an iPad application is no easy task. It'd be easier if I learnt how to program by myself... or hire the programmers I do know to do it for me (for free and split the profits later).
 
SuperPac said:
Ha.

The current unconfirmed rumor on UK iPad pricing is (wifi only, no pricing for the wifi + 3G) --

• The 16GB Wi-Fi will be £389
• The 32GB Wi-Fi model will be £439
• The 64GB Wi-Fi model will be £489

No date that I've heard.


BTW this video makes me laugh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o20mUEpjxs - An ASUS touch netbook. And seeing this in action here makes me wonder how anyone could stand using it as a touch device -- especially now after the iPad but even in the era of the iPod Touch and iPhone. I mean seriously, push an hold a button to select screen orientation? Such awful touch control where you have to touch links 2-3 times? Scrolling web pages looks like such a chore it'd just be easier with a mouse. Anyway, it looks archaic compared to the experience shown in January on the iPad. Ha.

Umm, 32GB WIFI + £G might have to be mine
 
Spriig said:
I'm seriously considering the 3G 16gb iPad but I'm currently paying £25 a month for unlimited 3G and unlimited texts and 600 mins and I just don't think I can bring my self to pay for another data plan. But who knows what Apple's plan is with the UK.

Anyone planning on buying the Wi-Fi only version?
I'm sure I'll be able to catch 3G from my iPhone. At worst I'll buy a Mifi device later. I need the iPad, day one.
 
marc^o^ said:
I'm sure I'll be able to catch 3G from my iPhone. At worst I'll buy a Mifi device later. I need the iPad, day one.
Never thought of it like that. iPhone for quick 3G browsing and iPad for more "home" based use. I wasn't really planning on taking my iPad everywhere like i do my iPhone so yeah wi-fi only does seem like a good idea.
 
While I agree there's an inconsistency in what media you're allowed to delete and what you're not. When you're not, there's generally a reason for that, with the default basis being "not allowed" (videos - because they're huge and often temporary; podcasts - because they're temporary and often huge; I'd argue that audiobooks are temporary too).

As for ui, I don't see any major inconsistency. Swipe to delete is the default action to delete. You get an edit button when you need more options to do stuff, such as move or rearrange.

what I hate is that when you delete something, upon sync iTunes tries to put it back on. I admit I'm probably missing something though. I generally want all my stuff controlled by iTunes. It kind of bugs me that if I want to download an app without putting it on my phone, I have to sync my phone first and then delete it with no way to flag it for not syncing before hand.
 
SuperPac said:
Ha.

The current unconfirmed rumor on UK iPad pricing is (wifi only, no pricing for the wifi + 3G) --

• The 16GB Wi-Fi will be £389
• The 32GB Wi-Fi model will be £439
• The 64GB Wi-Fi model will be £489

No date that I've heard.


BTW this video makes me laugh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o20mUEpjxs - An ASUS touch netbook. And seeing this in action here makes me wonder how anyone could stand using it as a touch device -- especially now after the iPad but even in the era of the iPod Touch and iPhone. I mean seriously, push an hold a button to select screen orientation? Such awful touch control where you have to touch links 2-3 times? Scrolling web pages looks like such a chore it'd just be easier with a mouse. Anyway, it looks archaic compared to the experience shown in January on the iPad. Ha.
That does look kinda janky, but not unexpected for a ui that wasn't built from the ground up to be touch based. It's like a windows environment that is pretending to have iPhone like ui when in slate form, down to trying to mimic gestures and the user experience, but not quite getting it.

I can imagine in the development of the iPhone that the 1:1 touch feel was at some point like that, but Steve insisting on it being absolutely 1:1 and not accepting less. Were better off for that.

The button to switch orientation is messy. You can see it pretty much just switching imports like when you plug in another monitor of different resolution and just another example of trying to fit something after the fact for what the ui was designed for. It's easy to say apple over engineer things like adding in an accelerometer to switch orientation or light sensors to change screen brghtness or proximity sensors to switch the screen off, but it's that kind of automation that really let's you focus on what you're doing and keeping it intuitive. Admittedly it does mean you can keep the orientation in whatever mode without it flipping all over the place!
 
Spriig said:
I'm seriously considering the 3G 16gb iPad but I'm currently paying £25 a month for unlimited 3G and unlimited texts and 600 mins and I just don't think I can bring my self to pay for another data plan. But who knows what Apple's plan is with the UK.

Anyone planning on buying the Wi-Fi only version?

If I pick up an iPad it is going to be Wi-Fi only. The places I would use it are generally Wi-Fi enabled so setting up a redundant 3G plan isn't appealing to me since I have web and email access on my Droid.
 
well, my funds are set. Just changed my car, and it came in about £700 under my allowed budget, so of course thats now free to spunk away on gadgets rather than sensibly save it :D
 
Going to S.Korea for a year in the summer, otherwise I'd get a 3G plan for it here in the UK along with my iphone. However until they confirm that the ipad will remain the same in S.Korea as it is the rest of the world (unlike the iphone) I'll stick with the wifi edition.

As for the UK pricing, I hope they do not price it too high considering the market right now, however mrklaw sounds right.
 
Spriig said:
I'm seriously considering the 3G 16gb iPad but I'm currently paying £25 a month for unlimited 3G and unlimited texts and 600 mins and I just don't think I can bring my self to pay for another data plan. But who knows what Apple's plan is with the UK.

Anyone planning on buying the Wi-Fi only version?

I'm getting the WiFi only version. I won't need to have constant access to the Internet on my iPad, and I have my iPhone with me constantly. I may eventually tether it to my iPod though. As I've said before in this thread, it seems more logical to get a connection that I can share across multiple devices (laptop, iPad, PSPGo, etc.) then to pay for one more connection that is likely good on just one device.

Can't wait to get my hands on the iPad. Day 1 for me.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I'm getting the WiFi only version. I won't need to have constant access to the Internet on my iPad, and I have my iPhone with me constantly. I may eventually tether it to my iPod though. As I've said before in this thread, it seems more logical to get a connection that I can share across multiple devices (laptop, iPad, PSPGo, etc.) then to pay for one more connection that is likely good on just one device.

Can't wait to get my hands on the iPad. Day 1 for me.

I want a32GB non-3G. I'd get a 3G, but another month will kill me, and I don't need 3G, although the option would be nice. I will miss GPS, however (although it's probably not as useful without 3G).
 
If I were to buy this at launch, it would be the 16gb 3g version and I would just retire my iPhone and get a simple dumbphone. I don't see the need for both devices right now, especially since I'm picking up a dedicated ereader for the research I have to do (can't see myself reading much PDF files and ebooks on that screen).

At this point, it would be for casual surfing only and rIght now that's not something i do much of. I think that the better move for me is to see what the next iPhone has to offer (I'm due for an upgrade) and see if that will fit my needs better. If the next iPhone is a dud in terms of new features, which I doubt, then I will reconsider an ipad purchase. Otherwise I'll see what apple does next year with it, or what the competing tablets do this fall.
 
What kind of things do you think Apple has in its labs but won't ever see the light of day or is not ready for prime time?

My ideas:
- Boot Camp for iPhone OS
- Touchscreen iMac
- Some camera thingy embedded into a screen
 
numble said:
What kind of things do you think Apple has in its labs but won't ever see the light of day or is not ready for prime time?

My ideas:
- Boot Camp for iPhone OS
- Touchscreen iMac
- Some camera thingy embedded into a screen

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a touchscreen iMac soon. Boot Camp for iPhone? Doubt it, whats the point. I am just interested in seeing the evolution of the iPad in the next couple of years.
 
So will Apple Gaf stone me if I say that I agree with Marty Chinn about the “swipe to delete” thing?

Like, Apple never really says anywhere in the UI that it’s a gesture. I remember seeing it in the intro video in 2007 but that’s it. I think it might be listed ion the “finger tips” booklet but it’s hardly good design to say RTFM. some third party apps might make a note of it but that’s up to other devs.

personally, all I think Apple would need to do is a little text blurb below a list of podcasts or videos saying you can swipe across them to delete them. make the feature obvious. don’t leave it up to chance.

It would be the exact same idea they use in the iPhone iTunes store where they give some text telling you to tap once on an icon to hear a song and twice to take you to the album. you wouldn’t know if they didn’t tell you.

also, good to be back after a 30 day lurking hiatus. I’m really proud to have made it on Tobor’s gaf spreadsheet during my absence :lol
 
LCfiner said:
So will Apple Gaf stone me if I say that I agree with Marty Chinn about the “swipe to delete” thing?

Like, Apple never really says anywhere in the UI that it’s a gesture. I remember seeing it in the intro video in 2007 but that’s it. I think it might be listed ion the “finger tips” booklet but it’s hardly good design to say RTFM. some third party apps might make a note of it but that’s up to other devs.

personally, all I think Apple would need to do is a little text blurb below a list of podcasts or videos saying you can swipe across them to delete them. make the feature obvious. don’t leave it up to chance.

It would be the exact same idea they use in the iPhone iTunes store where they give some text telling you to tap once on an icon to hear a song and twice to take you to the album. you wouldn’t know if they didn’t tell you.

also, good to be back after a 30 day lurking hiatus. I’m really proud to have made it on Tobor’s gaf spreadsheet during my absence :lol
I was thinking about ya, bud. :D
 
LovingSteam said:
What spreadsheet is this?

see last 2 pages for some funny.

@ Tobor. it was tough not being able to post. but at least I was able to get some gaming done. :lol

I’m still not sold on the iPad but I’ve certainly warmed up to it since the intro. At this point, I’m waiting for either a mind blowing hands-on in the Apple store or some killer 3rd party app to sell me on it.
 
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