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Are Series X/S Or PS5 Coming with HDMI 2.1 Cord Included In Box?

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If not who makes the best HDMI cords? Also my sound bar uses 2.0 HDMI , I'm sure running the 2.1 from my new system through my soundbar won't produce the desired effect. Will I have to upgrade my whole sound system for maximum advantage? My soundbar does supports Dolby atmos.
 
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If not who makes the best HDMI cords?



Don't worry about any more "best" than that, HDMI is a digital format, bits either get there or they don't, they don't degrade like analogue signals, failure is either very apparent or you're getting the full signal. Get something cheap but decent. Monoprice is entirely fine.
 
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Also my sound bar uses 2.0 HDMI , I'm sure running the 2.1 from my new system through my soundbar won't produce the desired effect. Will I have to upgrade my whole sound system for maximum advantage? My soundbar does supports Dolby atmos.
Are you planning to drive the audio directly from the console or from the TV? If the latter, Atmos via HDMI ARC works, just not as uncompressed PCM. But as we're talking about a soundbar, I'm not sure if that really matters. Personally I got a LG CX bundle with somewhat expensive matching LG Atmos-compatible soundbar (it was only slightly more than just the TV) and was quite disappointed to find out that while the TV supports HDMI 2.1/eARC, the soundbar does not. Then I shrugged, switched to DTS on my Pro and haven't given it much thought since. It sounds fine for what it is.
 
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I thought "versions" for cables didn't exist, just bandwidth speeds; the version is on the hardware you connect it to.
I remember there being some fuckery in the past, where some cables were labled with a "version", but then lacked the bandwidth to support all features.
 

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I thought "versions" for cables didn't exist, just bandwidth speeds; the version is on the hardware you connect it to.
I remember there being some fuckery in the past, where some cables were labled with a "version", but then lacked the bandwidth to support all features.

yeah. You want a 48 gbps hdmi cable to handle 2.1 features needed bandwidth. I’m sure both consoles will come packed with one
 
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It is all about length for me. If the cables aren’t 6 feet it’s useless bullshit. Hopefully they don’t waste our time.

Anyone know what we are getting? It would be another $20+ for extra cables, and I don’t want to guess if I need them on day one.
 
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It is all about length for me. If the cables aren’t 6 feet it’s useless bullshit. Hopefully they don’t waste our time.

Anyone know what we are getting? It would be another $20+ for extra cables, and I don’t want to guess if I need them on day one.

I’m gonna say 1m/3ft
 

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There no precedent of Sony (or MS) not including a cable that matches the HDMI version of the console. Why worry now?
 
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I just ordered the LG cx and its only negative was the hdmi 2.1 is only 40 gbps instead of 48. Is being only 40 gbps really going to impact anything?
 

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Are you planning to drive the audio directly from the console or from the TV? If the latter, Atmos via HDMI ARC works, just not as uncompressed PCM. But as we're talking about a soundbar, I'm not sure if that really matters. Personally I got a LG CX bundle with somewhat expensive matching LG Atmos-compatible soundbar (it was only slightly more than just the TV) and was quite disappointed to find out that while the TV supports HDMI 2.1/eARC, the soundbar does not. Then I shrugged, switched to DTS on my Pro and haven't given it much thought since. It sounds fine for what it is.

Today I run an optical cable from the TV to the sound bar so I always have the one connection and don't have to switch inputs on the sound bar. Can I replace the optical with HDMI since the TV and sound bar both have ARC connections? Do I gain anything from using HDMI over optical?
 
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I just ordered the LG cx and its only negative was the hdmi 2.1 is only 40 gbps instead of 48. Is being only 40 gbps really going to impact anything?

So far most TV experts say no because the panels are 10-bit, and 48Gbps is good for 12-Bit full color gamut.

Anyway, for someone looking for high quality HDMI 2.1 that still deliver the signal might consider optic fiber ones:

 

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Today I run an optical cable from the TV to the sound bar so I always have the one connection and don't have to switch inputs on the sound bar. Can I replace the optical with HDMI since the TV and sound bar both have ARC connections? Do I gain anything from using HDMI over optical?

you’re not going to get atmos from arc. You need earc
 
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Watch out for the default cables that come with every piece of hardware.

I've never had issues with cords coming with a game system, but the 4k cables that came with my 4k cable box were shit and I got green pixelation every couple minutes. It would come and go in 2 second spottiness.

Then I bought 4k HDMI cables from Costco (2 pack for $20). Not even 2.1. Just 2.0. Plugged these in and zero issues on screen ever since. Zero. I posted something about this early in the year and someone said it probably had to do with my 4k cable box cords being shit with bad shielding. So if your media hub has tons of cords all grouped together there can be interference.

Just a watch out. The solve is easy though. Just got to spend a bit of money and get better ones.
 

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I just ordered the LG cx and its only negative was the hdmi 2.1 is only 40 gbps instead of 48. Is being only 40 gbps really going to impact anything?

it was a downgrade for some reason from the c9 but I don’t think it’s a definitive impact yet. Maybe with chroma? As far as the hdmi cord, I’m not sure if you can get a 40gbps cable. I think it jumps so the best bet is to go over with a 48 gbps
 
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I've never had issues with cords coming with a game system, but the 4k cables that came with my 4k cable box

was it like a kodi box or something? Those are usually junk and never the spec they need to be. It was probably a single digit cable
 

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Don't worry about any more "best" than that, HDMI is a digital format, bits either get there or they don't, they don't degrade like analogue signals, failure is either very apparent or you're getting the full signal. Get something cheap but decent. Monoprice is entirely fine.

Yes, this. I ordered these some time ago for my current consoles. Monoprice is quite good for the price.
 

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you’re not going to get atmos from arc. You need earc
Quoting from https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-audio-return-channel-and-earc-for-beginners/

While Dolby Atmos can be passed over regular ARC today (via Dolby Digital Plus) eARC offers improved bandwidth for higher-quality Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams, including Atmos.

I have an ARC-enabled soundbar, no eARC but it has Atmos support, and when I watch Atmos content (which, currently, means Netflix on the built-in TV app) the soundbar recognizes it as such. Is it the best available signal, no, as stated above.

Edit: this is from the horses mouth, dolby.com:
HDMI ARC does not have enough data capacity to support the transmission of Dolby Atmos content that is encoded using Dolby TrueHD, which is the format used on Blu-ray Disc and UHD Blu-ray Disc. To support Dolby Atmos over HDMI ARC for Blu-ray Disc playback, a television has to decode Dolby TrueHD and transcode it to Dolby Digital Plus before output. Today, this feature is only supported in televisions that have native Dolby Atmos decoding.
So basically, needs support from the TV as well.
 
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So far most TV experts say no because the panels are 10-bit, and 48Gbps is good for 12-Bit full color gamut.

Anyway, for someone looking for high quality HDMI 2.1 that still deliver the signal might consider optic fiber ones:

90 bucks damn !!!!! Those are some expensive cables.
 
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Can I replace the optical with HDMI since the TV and sound bar both have ARC connections? Do I gain anything from using HDMI over optical?
Yes you can, but as for the benefits... well, probably the soundbar will turn on/off with the TV, and you can use the TV remote to adjust the soundbar volume, if both support CEC (which is likely).
 
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Quoting from https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-audio-return-channel-and-earc-for-beginners/



I have an ARC-enabled soundbar, no eARC but it has Atmos support, and when I watch Atmos content (which, currently, means Netflix on the built-in TV app) the soundbar recognizes it as such. Is it the best available signal, no, as stated above.

Edit: this is from the horses mouth, dolby.com:

So basically, needs support from the TV as well.
Quoting from https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-audio-return-channel-and-earc-for-beginners/



I have an ARC-enabled soundbar, no eARC but it has Atmos support, and when I watch Atmos content (which, currently, means Netflix on the built-in TV app) the soundbar recognizes it as such. Is it the best available signal, no, as stated above.

Edit: this is from the horses mouth, dolby.com:

So basically, needs support from the TV as well.

Right. So when you use this workaround, even if your tv can, you won’t get dts hd and true hd so it’s a limited workaround.
 

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Right. So when you use this workaround, even if your tv can, you won’t get dts hd and true hd so it’s a limited workaround.
Of course, but if the output device is a soundbar I don't think this is a major issue/noticeable even. Audiophiles/home theater enthusiasts wouldn't be after such a solution anyway.
 
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do they offer 4K content? Maybe they only need to give minimum spec cables ?
Ya. Limited number of channels. Maybe they gimped everyone with crap cables.

I was assuming that when I got their 4k cable box to watch 4k sports channels, the cables coming with it should do the job. Guess not!
 

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Of course, but if the output device is a soundbar I don't think this is a major issue/noticeable even. Audiophiles/home theater enthusiasts wouldn't be after such a solution anyway.

True. I just figured if you’re going for atmos....
 

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Ya. Limited number of channels. Maybe they gimped everyone with crap cables.

I was assuming that when I got their 4k cable box to watch 4k sports channels, the cables coming with it should do the job. Guess not!

if they offer it they should have given you some compatible cables. Sometimes, at least here in US, the installers aren’tmuch more than that and think all hdmi cables are equal because they look the same.
 

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I have an ARC-enabled soundbar, no eARC but it has Atmos support, and when I watch Atmos content (which, currently, means Netflix on the built-in TV app) the soundbar recognizes it as such. Is it the best available signal, no, as stated above.

Edit: this is from the horses mouth, dolby.com:

So basically, needs support from the TV as well.
Depends. Most Sony (as far as i know) Atmos soundbars have a 4k passthrough. So i can connect my Xbox or whatever device straight to the soundbar for full Atmos support and then Hdmi lead from the soundbar to the tv for the signal.
 

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We don't even know if these new consoles will require HDMI 2.1 so don't get ahead of yourself just yet.
 

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We don't even know if these new consoles will require HDMI 2.1 so don't get ahead of yourself just yet.
If you want to play anything 4k and 120hz you need an hdmi 2.1 and before you say there aren't going to be any games doing both ori the will of the wisp , The Touryst and The Falconeer according to Digital Foundry will all have 4k 120hz.
 

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We don't even know if these new consoles will require HDMI 2.1 so don't get ahead of yourself just yet.
Both requires HDMI 2.1 for 4K120 or 8k60.

BTW that is know for months already.
 
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It's a low effort thread so don't expect too much from me.

Very informative. Thank you, sir.
You are asking which games runs at that resolution when the new games launching for the new consoles are like 10?

It is like thinking there won’t be any 1080p60 game for PS3 due the launch titles... or not 4k60 for PS4 Pro at launch.

You have a whole generation (7 years?) for these games that uses that resolution and framerate be launched.

I’m not a fortune teller after all.
 
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You are asking which games runs at that resolution when the new games launching for the new consoles are like 10?

It is like thinking there won’t be any 1080p60 game for PS3 due the launch titles... or not 4k60 for PS4 Pro at launch.

You have a whole generation (7 years?) for these games that uses that resolution and framerate be launched.

I’m not a fortune teller after all.
It doesn't take a fortune teller to know that only a very limited number of games will run at 4k 120FPS. Think smaller indie titles, 2D / 2.5D platformers etc. Hell, even 4k 60FPS will not be the standard.

Just because device supports certain resolution, doesn't mean that you will see it being widely supported. Many people are changing their TVs, cables and what not because "next-gen" is coming you have to be HDMI 2.1 ready. Reality is: you don't. Next gen consoles will (maybe) finally take full advantage of last-gen TV technology.
 

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It doesn't take a fortune teller to know that only a very limited number of games will run at 4k 120FPS. Think smaller indie titles, 2D / 2.5D platformers etc. Hell, even 4k 60FPS will not be the standard.

Just because device supports certain resolution, doesn't mean that you will see it being widely supported. Many people are changing their TVs, cables and what not because "next-gen" is coming you have to be HDMI 2.1 ready. Reality is: you don't. Next gen consoles will (maybe) finally take full advantage of last-gen TV technology.
If there is one game game then it is already required lol

The consoles come with the right cable... no need to buy or chance your old HDMI cable (that probably support HDMI 2.1).
 
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If there is one game game then it is already required lol
No. You clearly don't know what required means.

The consoles come with the right cable... no need to buy or chance your old HDMI cable (that probably support HDMI 2.1).

EDIT: you can lol and change your post all you want. Fact remains that 2.1 HDMI TV and/or cable is not suddenly "required" just because few smaller games will potentially support 120FPS at 4k. It means that it's optional.
 
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I've been looking at this and it's really tough to get an answer. Here is CNET's take on it

Source: https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-1-what-you-need-to-know/

"You should be able to get 4K/60, and a basic 8K/30, with current cables, but the rest will need an Ultra High Speed HDMI cable."
"Game Mode VRR will also work over current cables (between two pieces of 2.1-compatible gear), though if you're trying to push greater-than-4K60 video, you'll need an Ultra High Speed HDMI cable."

I don't think I'm going to need new cables simply because I really doubt we'll be getting anything running beyond 4K and beyond 60fps. Look at previous gens, the target performance doesn't increase, developers just get better at being more performant under those water marks.

Edit: I doubt it will be a 2.1 lead in the box either.
Edit: Techradar are saying it's almost definitely 2.1 though it might be an assumption

As it turns out, the answer is pretty simple: inside the box you get the console, a wireless controller, the base, an HDMI cable that’s almost definitely HDMI 2.1-compliant, plus the power cord, a USB-C-to-USB-A cable to charge the DualSense controller, and the user manual / warranty info.
 
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