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Are you boycotting RDR2 because of the misrepresented 100 hours 'controversy'?

Are you boycotting Red Dead Redemption 2?

  • Yes, I am

    Votes: 36 6.9%
  • No, I am not

    Votes: 472 90.4%
  • undecided

    Votes: 14 2.7%

  • Total voters
    522

GhostOfTsu

Banned
The 100 hours was the CEO himself. Any proof that the workers were also FORCED to work 100 hours? There is none so why does that number keep coming up?

Last week, the outrages were boycotting AC Odyssey, then on the weekend they were boycotting Shadow of the Tomb Raider because the blood and guts from the death scenes were too much like porn and now it's RDR2 because the CEO worked 100 hours for 3 weeks?

Everyday there is a new boycott!
 

EDMIX

Member
Wtf is this? The people said they only worked 3 long weeks. Why would anyone boycott over that?

Be like "we won't stop until Rockstar Staff are not working PERIOD, that should balance things out"

Also them "WTF is GTAVI and why is it taking so long?"

also them "What? Rockstar closed down? When? Why? Where?"

lol
 

zkorejo

Member
Lol no. It's a Norm in gaming industry. I have worked crunch hours at the end of projects and I'm from a completely different industry.

I don't see what's the big fuss unless the employees are doing it on a gun point.
 
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D3SCHA1N

Member
The 100 hours was the CEO himself. Any proof that the workers were also FORCED to work 100 hours? There is none so why does that number keep coming up?

Last week, the outrages were boycotting AC Odyssey, then on the weekend they were boycotting Shadow of the Tomb Raider because the blood and guts from the death scenes were too much like porn and now it's RDR2 because the CEO worked 100 hours for 3 weeks?

Everyday there is a new boycott!

For accuracy's sake it should be noted that Dan Houser is not the CEO of rockstar, he is the "vice-president of creative" and lead writer on the game.

Not boycotting but not buying because I'm not interested.

How come if I might ask? Just not your type of game or another issue? What is your type of game?
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
How come if I might ask? Just not your type of game or another issue? What is your type of game?
I'm also not getting the game because as much as R* makes very detail open world, when it come to playing actual game I personally never have fun with them.
 

lock2k

Banned
For accuracy's sake it should be noted that Dan Houser is not the CEO of rockstar, he is the "vice-president of creative" and lead writer on the game.



How come if I might ask? Just not your type of game or another issue? What is your type of game?

Not my type of game. Played the first and got bored quickly but I realize it's a great game and franchise and I understand the excitement. I'm more excited about Soul Calibur. :)

As for type of game: fighters, arcade racers, platformers,and sone action titles. I do love Bully though.
 
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EDMIX

Member
They worked. They we're paid. What an absurd notion. Nobody forced anyone to do shit.

No, no, we are suppose to buy games based on our feelings of the publisher / developer remember? I mean, I buy games to support causes as suppose to actual fun, I mean...who buys games for GAMEPLAY anymore? /s
 

LOLCats

Banned
There is a 2700+ post thread at resetera on that article. Jeesus fuck what a bunch of lazy emotional people over there.

I worked with people like that all my life. Never want to put in the extra work hours needed to succeed. Then others end up doing more work because “johnny doesnt like to work evenings or after hours”. ... they wonder why they never advance and bounce from job to job every 2-3 years...
 
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Bioshocker

Member
after the recent labor story and the "100 hour weekends" some gamers have mentioned that they are boycotting Rockstar and will not be purchasing Red Dead Redemption 2 citing a moral dilemma

how about you, has this story changed your plans, will you be boycotting Red Dead 2?

So it would be better if the game sold bad and those who worked those 100 hour weekends lost their jobs? I really don't get this.
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
Anyone who has preordered, does your card get charged now or when the game releases?
If you're pre ordering a physical copy online, you don't get charged until your copy ships.

If you're pre ordering in store, normally you put down a $5 deposit, but it varies from store to store.

If you're pre ordering digitally on PS4, you're charged as soon as you place the order regardless of how far the release date is.

If you're pre ordering digitally on XB1, they don't charge you until 10 or so days before release, so by now they're charging.
 

DavidGzz

Member
If you're pre ordering a physical copy online, you don't get charged until your copy ships.

If you're pre ordering in store, normally you put down a $5 deposit, but it varies from store to store.

If you're pre ordering digitally on PS4, you're charged as soon as you place the order regardless of how far the release date is.

If you're pre ordering digitally on XB1, they don't charge you until 10 or so days before release, so by now they're charging.

Really helpful, man! Thanks for the full rundown, guess I'll wait until I transfer some funds, I was going to order from Xbox digitally. Can't wait to see how it looks on XB1X!
 

Arun1910

Member
Not sure why anyone would. All game studios have crunch times, just because you don't hear it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Why should we only boycott this game, especially when it was clarified that it was a few writers for a few weeks?
 

mcz117chief

Member
Just want to add my two cents here. I never planned to buy the game in the first place but if I were to buy it this "100 hours" business would have exactly zero impact on my decision.
 

odhiex

Member
Not that I am not concerned with the workers' rights and trying to play down on the issue, but I do not want my excitement on RDR2 to be hampered by other things.

RDR was one of my GOAT of last gen, I want to support R* and hoping that they would do great things on the sequel.

btw, I just pre-ordered the game digitally.
 
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This thread is the most perfectly condensed example of internet outrage culture I've seen in quite some time.

Inaccurately reported news leading to people jumping to conclusions, leading to people airing their misinformed opinions about something that wasn't even accurate to begin with.

And even 6 pages there, some people still think the original story was true.

It wasn't. The original article was reactionary bullshit. And people ate it up like predicable flies.

Some of the higher up staff choose to work really long hours for a few weeks. It's not a slave labour camp. I don't think forcing a mandatory 100 hours work week is even legally possible in most fields.
 
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AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
This thread is the most perfectly condensed example of internet outrage culture I've seen in quite some time.

It's less than 10% of the people in the thread. Still, that number is way too high for something so ridiculous.
 

Cosmogony

Member
No.
I'm waiting for the PC version. If it turns out to be a good game, I will be rewarding devs for their voluntary hard work.
 
It's less than 10% of the people in the thread. Still, that number is way too high for something so ridiculous.
I'm not referring to the votes about buying to the game, which could be taking numerous different ways. I'm referring to the replies in which many people still seem to think the original story was accurate.

I'm waiting for the PC version. If it turns out to be a good game, I will be rewarding devs for their voluntary hard work.
They have no plans to make a PC version as far as we know. So you may be waiting a while.
 
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AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
I'm not referring to the votes about buying to the game, which could be taking numerous different ways. I'm referring to the replies in which many people still seem to think the original story was accurate.
Even still, it's only a vocal minority. Most people in the thread have their head screwed on. You're still right, though, it's reactionary bullshit.
 

JimmyJones

Banned
I went on Amazon to buy it and seen there was single player content locked behind the special edition, so decided not to buy the game at all.
 

KellyNole

Member
Yeah, as if fibdong a new job would be the easiest thing.


Look, If you don't care about work conditions and workers' rights, thst is fine, noone is judging.
But don't stick your head into the sand and pretend that everything is all right.

Boycotting the game? It is a personal decision, nobody should feel entitled either way. For instance, I boycott everything Amazon-related due to their inhuman working conditions.

I’m not sticking my head in the sand. It is not hard to find another job, especially if you work for someone like rockstar. Of course you don’t go up and quit the first sign of some hard work/inconvenience. If this is the employees first time doing a crunch they will learn if they like it or not. Some people do some people don’t. The people who stay enjoy it. The person who doesn’t like it will start to put out resumes after and find another job.

I work for a big time Health Inusrance Company In IT. Just before open enrollment we have crunch time. Im putting in 70 or 80 hours a week getting all the projects done before open enrollment starts. Everything has to be done before open enrollment starts because the company does not want to touch anything unless they absolutely have too. They would lose money if stuff took a nose dive during open enrollment. Right after open enrollment starts I am on call and have had to work 24 to 48 hours straight resolving issues. Working those many hours straight doesn’t happen all the time, just emergency situations.

Why do I do this ? I enjoy the work and the people I work with. Also pay is good, benefits are good, and outside of this crunch time, things are pretty relaxed. Especially near the end of November through January where It is on coast mode during open enrollment. If I did not like it, I’d be getting my resume together and start searching for another job. I wouldn’t sit around and keep doing something I don’t like.

You have every right to boycott whatever you want. I don’t think anyone here is debating that. Freedom of choice is where a lot of us are coming from. They chose a job they know will have crunch. No one forced them to take the job. No one is forcing them to stay unless they want to.
 
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AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
I went on Amazon to buy it and seen there was single player content locked behind the special edition, so decided not to buy the game at all.
You're not going to play the game whatsoever just because you can't play one mission? That doesn't send the message that you refuse to pay for price-locked content, it sends the message that you're not interested in the game at all. You're actually reducing the gap between people who've bought standard vs deluxe, making deluxe look more viable from a sales POV.
 
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Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Yes I am.
I am not surprised that you are against it considering you read the original cite regarding this incorrectly. Like i said in that thread:

''Read the cite and put it into context if you are aware that crunch periods exist. Then the given number is a lot more manageable, predominantly because it misses crucial details to form a proper critical assessment. The fact that you are criticizing this despite these details left out means you aren't reading the cite in context.''

So yeah, i am not surprised since you didn't really bother to understand what the cite was referring to, nor are you understanding it now. To be precise: The cite referred to 100 hour work weeks as temporary moments, not consistent things. It does not say that as much, (But nothing you could logically deduce if people actually read the cite) but if you are aware with the concept of crunch you would know that crunch times don't typically last for months on end. That would be a TellTale situation and you see what happened to them.

If anything it showed people have troubles with logical deduction, which is concerning enough since this is apparently a big enough problem that Rockstar had to clarify itself over it.

I have no interest in this subject because I don't care about professionals who don't value themselves. They work for peanuts, after you divide the total amount of hours worked by the actual money they made. But this constant brainwashing is what drives young people towards these traps.

It doesn't matter how you or anyone else feel about it, or how passionate anyone is. They are making peanuts and the CEO is making millions. They are basically working for someone else to get rich.

Things like financial education or career management are important, especially to young people. Instead of cheering 100h work weeks for no money. Why not cheer 100h work weeks for making lots of money?
*Citation needed*

Man, I'm just getting sick of all these pointless "controversy" that filled entire NeoGaf forums these days. There is not proper discussion about the actual games anymore, its seems here people are more interested the "controversy" behind the game rather than the actual game itself. Heck here the game with most "controversy" will get the most attention, even VC4 got that little attention because whole butt grab controversy and maybe if Fist of the north Star had some kind of "controversy" behind it maybe it would got some attention.
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I hear ya. Despite being a heavy contributor to responding to that controversy (Trying to explain why it isn't controversial whatsoever) it was essentially scooping with a shovel whilst the floodgates went open. It's really frustrating to see it out in play, especially when it's done by people who have no clue about how the industry works but think that a misinformed opinion is a valid one, often doubling down on it aswell. And then it even turns out that what they were arguing against was false and the evidence for Rockstar being a shitty company is usually backtraced to decade old stuff from Team Bondi, not Rockstar.

Its a shame because the game has an insane eye for detail which makes it instantly explainable why the studio had to employ so many people working on it. Even trivial details like dirty boots or the saddles on your horse... its a lot and its far more interesting to discuss that than having to spend dozens of posts defending a position you saw happening from the get go would get misinterpreted.

Since you seem to know, I ask my question again. How much are Rockstar's devs paid, exactly?
Don't expect any answer, its far easier to make a claim than to actually elaborate it. Same thing happened to me in an earlier thread regarding similar sentiments.

It should also be noted that a lot of this sentiment goes back to Team Bondi and not to Rockstar itself, making it even worse as they are blamed for things they didn't even do back then. All in all Its really disingenous behavior and it does not make them right, at all.
 

Shifty

Member
Undecided because I don't care. Also it's apparently not coming to my platform of choice until the double-dippers have been snagged via console sales, so double meh to it I say.
 

BANGS

Banned
The whole 100 hour work week thing is incredibly overblown and no reason to boycott a game. Some people like to work hard and take pride in their work, automatically assuming they are being abused without evidence is just stupid...

That said, I will not be buying this game because I'm simply not interested in it...
 

TeamGhobad

Banned
im renovating my bathroom so im at my mothers house for 4-6 weeks. they dont have a 4K tv with surround sound so i wont be playing the game till about a month after launch. it sucks. i still bought the game in full.
 

ROMhack

Member
I would boycott if there were genuine concerns about them taking advantage of staff but really, honestly I don't think it's true here so no. I wasn't even excited about the game until yesterday and then I realised that I fucking love westerns.
 
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