The Take Out Bandit
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Additionally a PS3 demo will be available on the PSN store soon.
At least that's what the latest Sony mailer claims.
At least that's what the latest Sony mailer claims.
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Armored Core IV! Hype !
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typhonsentra
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Yeah, missions tend to be way too short, but I still dig how cool the set-up for many of them are. That one where you defend the city from hundreds of incoming missiles is incredible. And that's like, the second or third mission in the game! :lol
The whole garage interface is a completle mess, it's hard to tell what you have in inventory any real quick, and I dont understand who thought that being able to install without paying for your parts before was a good idea, i started adding those parts to my mech, and when I tried to go back, it wouldnt since i didnt have enough credits, and there was no way to just return to my old build; i had to change it back manually.
But then again I've been spoiled by Chromehounds' awesome garage/store setup. The interface of AC4 needs a complete overhaul.
But then again I've been spoiled by Chromehounds' awesome garage/store setup. The interface of AC4 needs a complete overhaul.
The Take Out Bandit
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The single player game is just parts gathering so you can design a decent AC for Versus Mode.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
I suggest you tough it out, get the parts; then focus on the part of the game that doesn't blow ass.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
I suggest you tough it out, get the parts; then focus on the part of the game that doesn't blow ass.
Treo360 said:
Try out control scheme B (typical fps shooter style controls) and turn off auto-switch weapon.
I find the PS3 controller not really comfortable when I am boosting and firing both left and right weapons wished there was a button for alpha strike (in mechwarrior it means fire all weapons at the same time)! But after saying this (my first experience of armoured core is the psp version which had really impossible control system). If I compared it to that the controls now are much much much more tighter and even newcomers (like myself) can at least attempt to pick up and play. BTW boosting/flying is a must in online, it's like not knowing how to circle strafe in a fps game.
Other then that the short missions so far are quite ok to me, it's more of a online game then a single player experience. The really fun bit is tweaking your Next to the max.
But it's still fun and I dont think it deserves such a slow review score.
Edit: Does anyone know the difference between the 2 lock on systems? I keep accidentinally activing the non default one and I really wish to disable that (hold left thumbstick but cant, just checked the control scheme)
Melhisedek
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This game looks great, sadly it'll be some time before I can pick it up in EU 
What AC PS2 games would you recommend to a complete newb to series?
What AC PS2 games would you recommend to a complete newb to series?
finally started playing last night, and i'm liking it quite a bit. the missions are as lame as ever, though they probably needn't be -- there are four or five missions in the first couple chapters that could've been entertaining if your objective wasn't simply to dash through a cluster**** and then take out a couple targets. it's like...that approach to a fortress through a canyon with big gun emplacements on the walls...that'd be a good mission if you had to fight through the canyon! it's strange that they'd build all that stuff and then encourage you to skip it.
the type-b controls are kind of a finger-buster, particularly on the 360 pad with its narrow triggers, but the feeling of boosting around and maintaining a lock is pretty great. it's been a long time since i've checked in with armored core, but the ease of boosting and the dual analog controls do make it feel a lot faster than the early games in the series.
the data packs are tons of fun -- can't wait til i've got enough cash to build something good and head online. right now i'm using a slightly tweaked version of the initial core with the bazookas.
edit: and the intro is AWESOME -- looks almost photoreal in places.
the type-b controls are kind of a finger-buster, particularly on the 360 pad with its narrow triggers, but the feeling of boosting around and maintaining a lock is pretty great. it's been a long time since i've checked in with armored core, but the ease of boosting and the dual analog controls do make it feel a lot faster than the early games in the series.
the data packs are tons of fun -- can't wait til i've got enough cash to build something good and head online. right now i'm using a slightly tweaked version of the initial core with the bazookas.
edit: and the intro is AWESOME -- looks almost photoreal in places.
bigswords said:
Well I settled for a custom control scheme that worked rather well for me as I just beat it clocking in about 11 hours worth. Once I got hold of the Grenade launcher and plasma rifle it was all over (or was it pulse?) the game became a cake walk.
Though my Next' stats weren't all that great either
91atk
61mob
78 def
59 ap
However it did the job.
This game could've been much more, however the limited amount of missions coupled with the fact that I think I had a harder fight with the camera as opposed to the other Next units at times. The story presentation sucked, hell the story sucked period. From really needs to hire writers.
In the end I had fun, and that's all that matters. Just need to tidy up on some missions to obtain A/S rank across the board, plus fine tune my Next so that I can get my ass handed to me in Multi.
Treo360 said:
Shit those stats are impressive to me, i am equal to your mob (mobility is it?), def and AP but my attack is way lower.
For fighting the simulated Nexts I used the biggest nade launcher that could be mounted on the back, 5-10 shots usually takes one down easily (think of it as a rocket launcher in quake
). Ohh I am having trouble in the 3rd chapter so it's nade launcher and plasma rifle? I am having ammo issues
But yes the game is fun.
bigswords said:Shit those stats are impressive to me, i am equal to your mob (mobility is it?), def and AP but my attack is way lower.
For fighting the simulated Nexts I used the biggest nade launcher that could be mounted on the back, 5-10 shots usually takes one down easily (think of it as a rocket launcher in quake
Ohh I am having trouble in the 3rd chapter so it's nade launcher and plasma rifle? I am having ammo issues
But yes the game is fun.
I'll take a pic and write down the weapons that I have equipped. Which mission is giving you trouble?
Treo360 said:
Ok thanks, so I guess I will load missles for that mission, just buy the biggest and greatest lock on ones?
So for using missles, I just have to down the trigger till more targets light up red and let go? Or do I just spam? I am confused on that bit and the manual, well doesnt really say much.
Ohh do you know how to tweak the cpu ? Or did you just use the auto configure?
I'll probably get this when it drops in price.
I was pumped before the demo but the demo itself fell somewhat short. The reviews I read (gametrailers, 1up, ign) all strenghtened that gut feeling. I still want to get it, especially that as an anime fan, mecha games are the prime genre, but not for 60 euros.
I was pumped before the demo but the demo itself fell somewhat short. The reviews I read (gametrailers, 1up, ign) all strenghtened that gut feeling. I still want to get it, especially that as an anime fan, mecha games are the prime genre, but not for 60 euros.
Right Arm
Left Arm
Left back
Right back
shoulder weapon
Aux (for both left and Right)
My Next
Stats
As for the back weapons I originally had the Plate01 missiles which did the job quite well. I also use the Yellowstone FC chip for my targeting as I feel it gives me pretty good range with a good lock on speed for your mains and great lock on for missiles.
Left Arm
Left back
Right back
shoulder weapon
Aux (for both left and Right)
My Next
Stats
As for the back weapons I originally had the Plate01 missiles which did the job quite well. I also use the Yellowstone FC chip for my targeting as I feel it gives me pretty good range with a good lock on speed for your mains and great lock on for missiles.
i'm not usually into achievements, but ac4 has THE BEST ACHIEVEMENTS EVER, in that it points you towards certain missions in hard mode -- generally the ones in which you fight enemy nexts. these missions are awesome across the board...the ai is far stronger than in the data packs, and sometimes the battles are set up differently from normal mode. you haven't played ac4 until you've beaten the supplice mission on hard. took me forever -- went through tons of mech tweaks and cheap tactics before i settled on a winning combination.
treo -- i just unloaded laser cannons (which have high pa penetration) into the cannon's shielded core. it went down really quickly -- i think it's a matter of weapon choice.
i'm really liking the online game. i cleaned up in a few 1 on 1 unranked games, and then headed overconfidently into ranked games and got trashed a couple times, once by a core so fast and maneuverable that i hardly saw him after that intial face-off. :lol
then i played a ranked 4-man deathmatch, and got all three kills. which was awesome. right now i'm mainly using a core with a heavy laser cannnon on each shoulder -- it's really energy-efficient and it's got a huge generator, so i can stay up in the air and boost quite a bit while keeping those cannons going. probably hasn't got the ammo for larger skirmishes, but it's fun to pilot. i've actually got a bunch of new parts to experiment with -- kojima rifles, a really long laser sword that i might actually manage to hit someone with, outboard pa rectifiers.
it's a shame that more gafers aren't playing this. those of us who are playing should post our gamertags/psn ids. and it's definitely a shame that there's no clan support.
i'm 'drohne' on xbl.
i'm really liking the online game. i cleaned up in a few 1 on 1 unranked games, and then headed overconfidently into ranked games and got trashed a couple times, once by a core so fast and maneuverable that i hardly saw him after that intial face-off. :lol
then i played a ranked 4-man deathmatch, and got all three kills. which was awesome. right now i'm mainly using a core with a heavy laser cannnon on each shoulder -- it's really energy-efficient and it's got a huge generator, so i can stay up in the air and boost quite a bit while keeping those cannons going. probably hasn't got the ammo for larger skirmishes, but it's fun to pilot. i've actually got a bunch of new parts to experiment with -- kojima rifles, a really long laser sword that i might actually manage to hit someone with, outboard pa rectifiers.
it's a shame that more gafers aren't playing this. those of us who are playing should post our gamertags/psn ids. and it's definitely a shame that there's no clan support.
i'm 'drohne' on xbl.
drohne said:
Yeah I figured that out after I posted, I also equipped the PA reclimaters (sp?) so that cut down on the Kojima exposure (works well in the "inside the sphere" mission too. I'm working on getting my FS maxed out (currently @ 305) that means S rank on all missions on hard. The last two Next battles are a bitch 4 vs 1 and 2 vs 1 (the last being the boss and an unknown sidekick).
Snoochie Boochies!
rollingstart
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quick question
did they get rid of the store to buy parts? I havent seriously played an AC game since AC2 and I remember that having a store to buy parts, but there doesnt seem to be one in AC4
did they get rid of the store to buy parts? I havent seriously played an AC game since AC2 and I remember that having a store to buy parts, but there doesnt seem to be one in AC4
Tokubetsu
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Don't know if this has been posted yet, but here's an interesting article from GameSetWatch about the mech genre and Armored Core IV:
http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2007/03/column_robotochan_shooting_the_1.php#more
Something I really liked from the article:
http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2007/03/column_robotochan_shooting_the_1.php#more
Something I really liked from the article:
Just picked up the PS3 version on the cheap. After settling into the game, I have to say that the load times are horrid and the mission lengths are absurd (30 seconds sometimes...), but I knew that going in.
It's a hell of a lot more playable than AC Last Raven was. Way better controls (I use type b, definitely the way to go since you can boost, quick boost, fire left and right weapons, move and look at the same time...type a controls suck), streamlines things a bit compared to all that annoying overheating shit in the PS2 games too. The mechs are nice and mobile and everything's pretty intuitive now.
The data pack battles rock too, lots of fun and pretty challenging.
Seems like a worthy purchase so far, annoyances aside.
It's a hell of a lot more playable than AC Last Raven was. Way better controls (I use type b, definitely the way to go since you can boost, quick boost, fire left and right weapons, move and look at the same time...type a controls suck), streamlines things a bit compared to all that annoying overheating shit in the PS2 games too. The mechs are nice and mobile and everything's pretty intuitive now.
The data pack battles rock too, lots of fun and pretty challenging.
Seems like a worthy purchase so far, annoyances aside.
The Take Out Bandit
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How cheap is cheap?
The Take Out Bandit
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Yeah, plenty good for a current gen game. I'm just askeered of eBaying optical media. 
IcebergSlim3000
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first demo that ever put me to sleep
The Take Out Bandit
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Pity you awoke to post here yet again.
The Take Out Bandit
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Sorry for the late bump, but I don't think this demo is worth another thread. Well I finally got my PS3 and downloaded this demo.
Jimminy Christmas! The new aiming blows horrible amounts of chode.
I'm not sure if I'm doing my accidental click on the right analogue stick, but it seems like my AC is incapable of obtaining and maintaining a lock on a target for more than a few seconds with all the shit flying around the screen just exacerbates the problem.
Really frustrating as the lock on system in past AC games was so reliable.
Combine that with visuals that are so heavily filtered that it makes the visuals damn near indecipherable. Everything is either extremely high contrast vibrant color, or black. There's no middle ground, and it makes the game a bit difficult to see.
Plus the HUD is freaking tiny. It's hard as hell to make out enemy blips on the radar, and the new HUD is all sorts of wonky.
I'm also not overly fond of all the weapons related buttons. Change left! Change right! Shoot right weapon! Shoot back weapon! Shoot left weapon!
I may give it another go, but as a seasoned AC vet; this game is a big let down thus far. Hopefully the ditch this garbage and start over from scratch with the next game in the series.
Jimminy Christmas! The new aiming blows horrible amounts of chode.
I'm not sure if I'm doing my accidental click on the right analogue stick, but it seems like my AC is incapable of obtaining and maintaining a lock on a target for more than a few seconds with all the shit flying around the screen just exacerbates the problem.
Really frustrating as the lock on system in past AC games was so reliable.
Combine that with visuals that are so heavily filtered that it makes the visuals damn near indecipherable. Everything is either extremely high contrast vibrant color, or black. There's no middle ground, and it makes the game a bit difficult to see.
Plus the HUD is freaking tiny. It's hard as hell to make out enemy blips on the radar, and the new HUD is all sorts of wonky.
I'm also not overly fond of all the weapons related buttons. Change left! Change right! Shoot right weapon! Shoot back weapon! Shoot left weapon!
I may give it another go, but as a seasoned AC vet; this game is a big let down thus far. Hopefully the ditch this garbage and start over from scratch with the next game in the series.
Really? I'm a huge AC fan and this was one of the first games I was going to get when I eventually pick up a PS3...
About the weapons, did they change it from "Fire Right Arm, Fire Left Arm, Press button to switch to Shoulder weapons"? (With a drop modifier to switch into your hangar)
About the weapons, did they change it from "Fire Right Arm, Fire Left Arm, Press button to switch to Shoulder weapons"? (With a drop modifier to switch into your hangar)
The Take Out Bandit
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Well there's a demo on the PSN store, so you can try before you buy.
This is how it is now.
Left Shoulder toggles left arm weapons. Right shoulder toggles right arm weapons.
Each arm has it's own fire button, and IIRC there's a third button to fire back weapons. IIRC it's circle, X, and square for all your shooting needs.
I dunno. These controls are f'ing moon language to me. It's not old school,AC and it would no doubt be less frustrating if the lock on system worked for me. Like - HEY! I'M STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE F'ING BATTLESHIP - LOCK ONTO THE GOD DAMNED THING!
I should see if the button customization is in the demo and alter the controls so they're less shit.
It could be like SOCOM where I accidentally would toggle my rate of fire on my gun because I inevitably end up pushing the thumb stick in while running and activating R3. >:O
This is how it is now.
Left Shoulder toggles left arm weapons. Right shoulder toggles right arm weapons.
Each arm has it's own fire button, and IIRC there's a third button to fire back weapons. IIRC it's circle, X, and square for all your shooting needs.
I dunno. These controls are f'ing moon language to me. It's not old school,AC and it would no doubt be less frustrating if the lock on system worked for me. Like - HEY! I'M STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE F'ING BATTLESHIP - LOCK ONTO THE GOD DAMNED THING!
I should see if the button customization is in the demo and alter the controls so they're less shit.
It could be like SOCOM where I accidentally would toggle my rate of fire on my gun because I inevitably end up pushing the thumb stick in while running and activating R3. >:O
The Take Out Bandit
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Yeah, can't quite monkey around with your load-out in demo. I may rent it if Hollywood has it in stock.
Oh, you were playing the demo. That explains it. The demo sucks, and doesn't really represent the final game. Seriously, rent it, and give the full thing a spin. If you're an AC fan, I can't imagine you not liking it. Loved it myself. All it really needed was more parts, and more robust online play.The Take Out Bandit said:
BudokaiMR2
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Aaron said:
And better missions. But I guess as an AC fan you are just used to crap ones...
The Take Out Bandit
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BudokaiMR2 said:
lolz
Yeah
Destroy the squatters!
Protect the convoy!
Destroy the giant thing!
Dude, AC missions are cookie cutter as hell. Any AC players knows it's just parts gathering bullshit so you can get to the real meat of the game; versus play.
Yeah, the missions have always been crap. I guess the low expectations there helped. The problem is AC isn't suited for long missions, and its hard to develop something beyond the normal destroy / defend that fits in that time frame. Same with the story really. It's not something I particularly care about, but I can see how it could be a negative mark to someone else.BudokaiMR2 said:
BudokaiMR2
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Yeah I guess I just wish through the 11th iteration(I honestly have no idea how many there have been) they woulda started coming up with better ones.
I have just been even more annoyed at the AC4 ones so far. There have been ones that were over in like 20 seconds. It three times that to load!
I have just been even more annoyed at the AC4 ones so far. There have been ones that were over in like 20 seconds. It three times that to load!
Have you played them on hard? They get longer... though not by a whole lot. Most of the really short ones are the initial missions, and the others are longer, but they all are meant to be short and to the point. It would be interesting for them to take on more of a campaign structure instead of missions, but that would be a pretty different direction to take the series.BudokaiMR2 said:
Comparing multi-platform titles to try and judge console power is just stupid. There are too many factors, not least of which is developer effort, which version gets the A-Team, etc etc.
Besides this game seems to go against the trend in that I usually assosiate the 360 with better textures but the ps3 with better lighting and material capability (when the effort is made to utilize the extra processing oomph at least). It's just a crapshoot when it comes to multi-platform really.
Besides this game seems to go against the trend in that I usually assosiate the 360 with better textures but the ps3 with better lighting and material capability (when the effort is made to utilize the extra processing oomph at least). It's just a crapshoot when it comes to multi-platform really.