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Atlus' dungeon crawler "Baroque": what's the word?
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Volcynika said:
You will eventually get the item she seeks, assuming you mean Eliza.
For the most part, though, I think it is just important you talk to everybody. There is a character in town asking for a very specific common item, I suggest you get it for them (toss it in a Sensory Orb to get it to your town storage and then just give it to them next time you're back in town).
straydog1980
Banned
LordGek said:
yeah I just did what you're talking about last night. I'm starting my 4th run this morning...
PedroLumpy
Member
How long until you get to a point where you can store items? I've gone down something like 15 floors without running into a collector. I'm carrying about 4 of those soul orb things, and some other choice equipment I'd like, but without banking any of this I'm just going to lose it all. I feel like I won't make any progress unless I actually find a way to store stuff soon.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Marvie_3 said:That would be me!If anyone is looking for Baroque, there are still a couple copies in my town. I could help out....
That WOULD be you my friend and you are awesomely reliable! Still haven't popped in Opoona but man, without you, I'd still be short a kid and his balls. lol
Destructoid Review is up...and it's not good.
http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-review-baroque-80737.phtml
It's another..."this game is a roguelike, if you don't like that, you won't like this...just like I didn't like it." review.
I don't get it. The graphics aren't great...fine. The story can be confusing (that's the point...piece it back together)...fine...but the game is fun. I would definitely give this game at least a 6/10 (if I'm knocking off points aggressively)...but a 7 out of 10 is not unreasonable. Plus, for me, the fun factor is really high. It's just fun to pop into and play a bit. Very easy to get into.
http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-review-baroque-80737.phtml
It's another..."this game is a roguelike, if you don't like that, you won't like this...just like I didn't like it." review.
I don't get it. The graphics aren't great...fine. The story can be confusing (that's the point...piece it back together)...fine...but the game is fun. I would definitely give this game at least a 6/10 (if I'm knocking off points aggressively)...but a 7 out of 10 is not unreasonable. Plus, for me, the fun factor is really high. It's just fun to pop into and play a bit. Very easy to get into.
Gamervision review...whoever that is:
http://www.gamervision.com/gamer/sarah/reviews/article/baroque_wii
Another 4/10.
We're a select few, LordGek. It's like the roguelike genre is completely misunderstood by reviewers. Like I said above..knock off points for graphics, story, whatever...but even still it is a 6 or higher out of 10 game for sure. That is, if you understand the gameplay.
http://www.gamervision.com/gamer/sarah/reviews/article/baroque_wii
Another 4/10.
We're a select few, LordGek. It's like the roguelike genre is completely misunderstood by reviewers. Like I said above..knock off points for graphics, story, whatever...but even still it is a 6 or higher out of 10 game for sure. That is, if you understand the gameplay.
straydog1980
Banned
i don't know.... the camera doesn't bother me! I am loving this game SO hard
sad thing is I only have 1 more day before Okami, then another 6 days before FES.........
THE BACKLOG GROWETH
sad thing is I only have 1 more day before Okami, then another 6 days before FES.........
THE BACKLOG GROWETH
Hrm, I've had stuff I've been meaning to sell so I can afford this, but I keep forgetting to put up the auctions. I really want to get this. It needs my support!
Looking over the comments on Dtoid and Gamervision, while the reviews are flawed, I don't know if "it's a rogue-like, it plays by rogue-like rules" is the best counter. It may be true, but it's not exactly inclusive. I think a lot more people would like these games if they gave them a fair shot, but saying it's great for rogue-like fans doesn't make it sound better for your average joe.
People have psychological barriers to a lot of rogue-like concepts -- risk, loss of accumulated inventory, wealth, experience -- and confronting those barriers head-on just gets interpreted as "another douchebag on the internet thinks he's hardcore." I think it's better to emphasize that while those may be terrible things in another game (losing your levels and abilities in a Final Fantasy would suck), rogue-likes giveth as much as they taketh away. You lose stuff? Hey, there's a ton of stuff on every floor to replace it and it's easy to gain levels.
I don't know if Baroque is a good first rogue-like either, since it centers around death more than most rogue-likes.
..hrm, I must be listening to too much political news, I feel like I'm advocating for rogue-likes like a presidential candidate. "Keep the focus on the positives!" :lol
Looking over the comments on Dtoid and Gamervision, while the reviews are flawed, I don't know if "it's a rogue-like, it plays by rogue-like rules" is the best counter. It may be true, but it's not exactly inclusive. I think a lot more people would like these games if they gave them a fair shot, but saying it's great for rogue-like fans doesn't make it sound better for your average joe.
People have psychological barriers to a lot of rogue-like concepts -- risk, loss of accumulated inventory, wealth, experience -- and confronting those barriers head-on just gets interpreted as "another douchebag on the internet thinks he's hardcore." I think it's better to emphasize that while those may be terrible things in another game (losing your levels and abilities in a Final Fantasy would suck), rogue-likes giveth as much as they taketh away. You lose stuff? Hey, there's a ton of stuff on every floor to replace it and it's easy to gain levels.
I don't know if Baroque is a good first rogue-like either, since it centers around death more than most rogue-likes.
..hrm, I must be listening to too much political news, I feel like I'm advocating for rogue-likes like a presidential candidate. "Keep the focus on the positives!" :lol
Schopenhauer
Member
birdchili said:
The camera isn't really that bad 90% of the time. In can get pretty bad near corners and in hallways though. Didn't really take me all that long to get acclimated to it.
straydog1980
Banned
straydog1980 said:i don't know.... the camera doesn't bother me! I am loving this game SO hard
the camera is still not bothering me. especially after opoona's camera. ugh.
Bending_Unit_22
Member
As far as the story goes, is it any good and is "piecing it back together" fun (or perhaps better put, is it a major impetus to continuing the game)? Do any of your character's actions play a role in it?
I'm looking to pick this game up, but the story is the make or break part of the game for me. I understand it's a niche rogue-like game so the graphics and gameplay style issues that reviewers are struggling with don't bother me. I can happily deal with it so long as the story is good.
Sorry to have bother anyone who replies with this, the reviews I've seen make little mention of whether the story is good or not, just that the game is terrible for various reasons.
EDIT: That was quick, found my answer in some fairly good reader reviews. I'll be picking this game up tomorrow.
I'm looking to pick this game up, but the story is the make or break part of the game for me. I understand it's a niche rogue-like game so the graphics and gameplay style issues that reviewers are struggling with don't bother me. I can happily deal with it so long as the story is good.
Sorry to have bother anyone who replies with this, the reviews I've seen make little mention of whether the story is good or not, just that the game is terrible for various reasons.
EDIT: That was quick, found my answer in some fairly good reader reviews. I'll be picking this game up tomorrow.
Well, it's a bit late now, but at least in the ~16 floor dungeon version (the first one I've cleared) there's only a few transports in the lower floors. The orbs in the rooms where you meet the Wandering Maidens early in the tower have orbs floating high up that you can throw an item into, but those are very early floors. There's always an orb on the last floor of the 16 floor tower (the curiously empty floor), so you get at least one "guaranteed" item transfer if you can live that long. In general, if it's larger than an item, orb-shaped and glows, throw something at it. If you see an "Item was transferred" message, you did it.PedroLumpy said:
shoplifter
Member
Mejilan said:
I've been keeping a thumb on the + and finger on the B button below the wiimote. Seems to work pretty well so far. I was having a few camera issues before I started doing this, but since then, it's been pretty easy going.
Schopenhauer
Member
supercake said:
Any time you come across a large to medium size glowing/ metal orb it most likely can be used to transfer items. For example, that
giant spike ball the archangel is stuck to
After you open up the dungeon a little you should be able to find at least six fairly easily.
Okay, just got the game and played for about an hour. With all the negative reactions and very few positive ones, I lowered my expectations and thought the game would be blah. Turns out its not and I really really like it! Woo! The game kind of reminds me of a harder, more simple version of PSO for some weird reason. Looks like I'm joining the Baroque Defense Force!!
Oh, quick question. Since this is my first rogue-like game, I started on easy. What difficulty are you guys on?(especially those with this being their first rogue-like as well). I'm thinking of changing the difficulty to normal. Is that a good idea?
Oh, quick question. Since this is my first rogue-like game, I started on easy. What difficulty are you guys on?(especially those with this being their first rogue-like as well). I'm thinking of changing the difficulty to normal. Is that a good idea?
Schopenhauer
Member
JadedOne said:
I started on hard and I haven't had to much trouble advancing through the the first few iterations of the dungeon. It can get kind of tough when enemies who block hallways start showing up, but by that point you should have a fairly decent weapon and tons of crap to throw.
I would definitely up the difficulty if I were you. It doesn't seem like it would be much fun on easy.
crowphoenix
Banned
Picked this game today. Ran through the dungeon a couple times. It's awesome.
PedroLumpy
Member
LegatoB said:
Yeah I read a bit of a guide, and saw that 'two orbs in the maidens room' so I restart, and you have to move the FUCKING CAMERA UP to SEE THEM. Man, that's just fucking harsh. I ended up restarting, and now I'm off at a good clip. Bag size is 15 thanks to all the training dungeon stuff.
tetrisgrammaton
Member
PedroLumpy said:
how'd'ya what?
I finally got to play just now and let's just say I'm complete weaksauce towards games like this. Running around, dodging monsters, thinking up traps, dealing with ambushes, fighting off hordes. I think I did pretty darn well, but I ended up sustaining an elevated heart rate for over an hour. :lol At least I know I can perform under pressure.
I died twice before taking this break, first to unidentified explosive bones. The first set of bones I ever picked up did something good, or at least I thought it was good, so taking that combined with something else I read I figured that bones in general were good to eat. Then I went boom.
The second time was to a fire disk. It asked whether to place it Heads or Tails. I selected Heads and immediately pushed forward to step on it, and everything in the room died except for one enemy. I'm thinking he got to the disk first.
Edit: Despite wanting to know about the Heads or Tails option on the disk, I'm unsure if I should keep checking around here as I want to see how far I can go without any help. I rented from Gamefly so I don't even have a manual :lol
Edit2: Oh hey, I just realized that we don't have an actual official thread for this game. We just sorta hijacked this one...
I died twice before taking this break, first to unidentified explosive bones. The first set of bones I ever picked up did something good, or at least I thought it was good, so taking that combined with something else I read I figured that bones in general were good to eat. Then I went boom.
The second time was to a fire disk. It asked whether to place it Heads or Tails. I selected Heads and immediately pushed forward to step on it, and everything in the room died except for one enemy. I'm thinking he got to the disk first.
Edit: Despite wanting to know about the Heads or Tails option on the disk, I'm unsure if I should keep checking around here as I want to see how far I can go without any help. I rented from Gamefly so I don't even have a manual :lol
Edit2: Oh hey, I just realized that we don't have an actual official thread for this game. We just sorta hijacked this one...
tetrisgrammaton
Member
ok i'm addicted now.
really appreciate how the variety of items leads to so many different gameplay opportunities
also i like the subtly intriguing storyline, and the way it doesn't shove it down your throat
really appreciate how the variety of items leads to so many different gameplay opportunities
also i like the subtly intriguing storyline, and the way it doesn't shove it down your throat
crowphoenix
Banned
I got down to floor -1600 today. Man, this game is really creepy. Got 3 of those memory orbs out. When I showed them to the Baroquemonger, who gave me a little smattering of information and left me confused.
JadedOne said:
Hmm, this has me confused. I see many of the monsters when looking through the character listings of the database have SEVERAL Baroquemonger quotes that can be associated with them but I thought when I go to the Baroquemonger with a Crystal he's already talked about he'll say he's already told me about that one...so what is the catch to get him to tell me something new about one of the beasties?
straydog1980
Banned
LordGek said:
each enemy has several orbs you can collect all with the same name. For example with the Korians, there were 12. And if you saved all 12 orbs you would learn everything about the Korians. Each different orb gives you more detail about that creature or whatever. So when you're in the dungeoun and you pick up an orb that you've had before (same name), it's not actually the same orb. It's actually a new one and will reveal additional info about that creature if you give it to the Baroquemonger.
make sense?
PedroLumpy
Member
tetrisgrammaton said:
I got the collectors bag up to 15. Not amazing or anything, but I don't think there's even 15 orbs in the first dungeon, so it should be good for now.
If you were wondering how, well the collector's bag expands after bringing him a certain amount of new items. I think the first is 10 new items. The training dungeons are great for this, since you can bring all the items you get back out to the overworld and hand them directly to the collector. The last training dungeon has a shitload of different bones that you can hand over.
tetrisgrammaton
Member
PedroLumpy said:
mm, a shame i played through them all already. i am curious about the rumored large dungeon the gravekeeper is building.
tetrisgrammaton
Member
Foxix said:
perfectly fine, button layout is very intuitive. there's three iterations of the tutorial, just try going back each time you come out of the dungeon. i'm not sure if ya have to clear it first or if merely death is sufficient.
straydog1980 said:
So I can never bring the SAME "World Crystal", say, to him but if I ever find a new one he'll tell me something different?
So besides being cute and collectible do his mutterings ever mention interesting things like vulnerabilities or useful tips in dealing with the specific baddies?