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Atlus USA bringing Dungeon Travelers 2 to North America this summer
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As expected.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Not really surprising considering the US is big on anything which could be perceived as underage characters being nude. Gaming related or not.
Would love to see the original pictures and the censored ones to see how bad they were that the localization team found themselves in the need to actually censor them. If there are characters here that look underage and have fanservice CGs, I'm all in for censoring or outright removing them.
I'll have to have a look at the 4 pics first before I make a final judgement on how I should react.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
You shouldnt really care. Since truthfully with how the US and the West for that matter is with moral values, it makes perfect sense that they have to censor it. The bottom line is regardless of what you think, they needed to edit specific images which their localization and quite possibly legal team would have considered problematic as the images would be considered a "nude / nearly nude" underaged character. They need to make their targeted age rating which is already M and even then the game potentially could not be approved if non-censored content was deemed inappropriate for "regional standards". Which in this case would be the US as its for an ESRB rating. Has to be done or no game basically.
Plus it is appreciated that they decided to man up and tell everyone straight up ahead of time. Instead of either not saying anything knowing that not a lot of the consumers would have played the original so they wouldnt know any better or trying to toss it out there right before launch when the majority of pre-orders are already in.
Honestly them speaking up would do more potential damage than not saying anything really. Since folks would not have known otherwise and its not like there was some large number of people who played the import copies either.
You just answered your own question.
Darn moral values -.- lol
But yeah, if what was censored was for things that were "too much" then I'm fine.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
In the US in particular things that would be deemed as nude underaged characters have been an off limits matter for quite some time now. Its why things like the early episodes of Dragon Ball Z they went and put pants on Goku which looked like they went and awkwardly pasted underpants graphics in MS paint onto him so it just animated hilariously bad at the time.
While the topic of scrutiny is different CERO for example is super picky as fuck to the point of it being irritating in regards to things like gore and violence.
Its just regional differences with standards and such. But within both regions if companies do not abide by these standards then the game will not be allowed to be released. Which means D: for everyone.
AlbionHero
Banned
BMX XXX is bike game with stripper videos
M rating
The Guy Game is a spring break party game with girls losing their tops
M rating
This is a cutesy looking dungeon game with a few fanservice pictures that don't show any nudity
AO rating before censors
good job, ESRB
M rating
The Guy Game is a spring break party game with girls losing their tops
M rating
This is a cutesy looking dungeon game with a few fanservice pictures that don't show any nudity
AO rating before censors
good job, ESRB
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Didn't The Guy Game get nerfed from stores for having an underage girl in it?
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Yeah it's a bit too high there and the spacing between words is a tiny bit too wide.
Yeah, it was pulled from stores after release when they found out one of the girls was actually underage.
Yeah. Just cutesy little girls...
If the images edited are anything like the ones edited/removed from Monster Monpiece then it's easily understandable.
We'll find out soon enough I suppose.
AlbionHero
Banned
The thing I don't get is that by making it AO, the ESRB is saying its okay for adults to see half naked little girls but teens can't. I've never gotten that... its either legal or its not, why should ESRB change their ratings based on the age of the characters?
AO is basically them saying "censor this or don't bother localizing it" because none of the big three console makers will allow AO games on their platforms.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
That and it also effects potential retail outlets.
AlbionHero
Banned
And at the same time, you can watch anime like High School DxD or Strike Witches with underage girls naked through the services provided on the systems.
Hypocrisy everywhere.
Hypocrisy everywhere.
M is not teens either. And context is key. Just look at MonMonpiece.
AO is "fine, we have to give you a rating" and has been mostly used for intentionally pornographic games for PC.
I'm not sure the ESRB would have even rated the game at all without the 4 edits.
shadow2810
Member
My imagination is good anyway so I'm fine with censoring. Plus it's only 4 images, not a big deal.
I've always wondered how anime itself gets a free pass. Then again, they are not rated through the MPAA or whoever the tv division of that is. ESRB/PEGI is different with all their regulations.
Edit: Then again, anime is on Hulu/Netflix etc...
autoduelist
Member
But for people who have an issue with censorship, that's the point. I'm sure they know 'why' it has to be done for western markets, but the fact that art 'needs' to be censored at all is the problem. It's not like you need to explain why it's being censored, everybody knows that.
It's like violent images being censored in, say, Germany. Everybody knows why (at least in theory, even if it doesn't make that much sense). That doesn't mean Germans need to like it nor abide by it.
Censorship, as a principle, conceptually means the belief that some ratings board somewhere 'knows what is best for you' because our collective minds couldn't take the original source material without breaking or corrupting - never our own minds, of course - we could handle whatever it is... it's always some fictional person 'out there' with the fragile mind that couldn't handle it that must be protected. [just like some people who go check out the source image because they know 'they' can handle it, then go 'oh, I see why that needs to be censored for others'... what?] That idea that others need to gate what we experience for us is counter to the principles of many, many people. Unfortunately, many others want everything worse that 'oh crud' censored.
edit -- basically, you're taking a practical look at it -- "it has to be done to localize at all". Those with an issue with it are taking a theoretical approach to it -- the act of censorship is not in line with their principles, period. That's the clash. It's unresolvable in the long run, because there will always be people on both sides of the issue and another group that doesn't care enough to care.
AlbionHero
Banned
And Crunchyroll is on Vita, which airs most of the current anime including all kinds of fanservice stuff that makes Dungeon Travelers look tame.
Makes it seem really pointless to not allow games with fanservice when Sony doesn't force other stuff to be censored to be on their system. They're already allowing people to see this stuff if they want to.
E_Darkness
Member
I'm not surprised at all. The only reason I wrote this off coming out here was the fanservice I've heard this game has. I mean if they were bad enough to push it into an AO rating then I fully understand. I'm here for the gameplay and not the 'plot'.
Yup. I'd much rather play the game than not play it because 4 pictures I don't care about have been altered.
The Persona 5 protagonist was thrown in jail for owning this game
That's classy, I'm pleasantly surprised with Atlus.
Dracandros
Banned
Quite frankly, one of those images I would have been happier never seeing, so there is no way I'm going to complain about a minor edit to it.
That's a lot to be thankful for really.
I'm think I'm going to be all right with the fanservice content and the game seems to play fast enough, so I'm going to ask this one question. On a difficulty scale compared to many of our newer DRP games, where would this game roughly fall? Is there a decent range or game comparison?
Most of my true experience is with Wizardry 1-5 and the Etrian Odyssey series, but that doesn't mean I don't have other older games under my belt. Besides, that one level in Wiz 2 and most of Wiz 4 just wasn't that fun anyway.
That's a lot to be thankful for really.
I'm think I'm going to be all right with the fanservice content and the game seems to play fast enough, so I'm going to ask this one question. On a difficulty scale compared to many of our newer DRP games, where would this game roughly fall? Is there a decent range or game comparison?
Most of my true experience is with Wizardry 1-5 and the Etrian Odyssey series, but that doesn't mean I don't have other older games under my belt. Besides, that one level in Wiz 2 and most of Wiz 4 just wasn't that fun anyway.
cj_iwakura
Member
ESRB have strict rules about that kind of content. It's a surprise the game is being localized period.
I have no interest in it, just saying.
I have no interest in it, just saying.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Good enough for me!
I hope the edits are by AquaPlus because their typesettings for the logo doesn't inspire confidence.
AlbionHero
Banned
Where do you see that? If its true it makes this censoring even more ridiculous.
cj_iwakura
Member
Europe doesn't mind sexuality as much as the US does.
ColetteBrunel
Banned
Really sad that censorship is still a thing. Still keeping my pre-order but still a bit disappointed.
AlbionHero
Banned
NISAs excuse about why Criminal Girls had to be censored was because of certain Europe regions would force the game to be unrated by PEGI. I don't know whos offended by what anymore.
It's pretty funny that people are searching those pictures on imageboards that feature pornographic content, I wonder what's popping up.
12: "videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature", 16: "sexual activity reaches a stage that looks the same as would be expected in real life" and 18 is basically only "gross violence". But these things are obviously evaluated on a case-by-case basis so who knows? Generally, I bet that in part it's just that they want to avoid being Kotaku'd.
In the NISA trailer.
12: "videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature", 16: "sexual activity reaches a stage that looks the same as would be expected in real life" and 18 is basically only "gross violence". But these things are obviously evaluated on a case-by-case basis so who knows? Generally, I bet that in part it's just that they want to avoid being Kotaku'd.
Are you sure they said that about Europe?
Very good points.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I'll just print those 4 pics in the highest res I can find them, I'll admit that it doesn't sound THAT bad but still... sigh.
I guess I'm at least glad they are being honest about it, and it seems like they tried to get them in but got the AO rating crap. Still disappointed about it.
I guess I'm at least glad they are being honest about it, and it seems like they tried to get them in but got the AO rating crap. Still disappointed about it.
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