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Avengers Endgame Trailer 2
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Da-Kid
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Sure..... cause my post didn't have anything to prove your previous post wrong... Insults? You mean saying that some of you guys come off misogynistic? That's an observation, not an insult.
You're not very bright, are you?
Da-Kid
Member
Just let me know when you're done with your Ad hominem.
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
I haven't watched Captain Marvel yet, but the only other female character I can think of as being labeled a Mary Sue is Star Wars' Rey. And for that one, it definitely is not about her being powerful, but that she can effortlessly do nearly everything really well. Which is a valid complain.
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Musky_Cheese
Banned
Yeah.
Also the MCU already has a number of powerful female characters that are well liked. So saying dislike is because she is a woman is a bit lazy.
Papa
Banned
I never thought of female characters like Ellen Ripley or Shosanna Dreyfus as Mary Sues because they were well-written characters with background stories that justified their tough personas. More importantly, there was a lot of focus on exposition, so it was completely clear to me as the viewer what their motivations were. I never once thought anything about their gender, just that I was watching a badass character earn their revenge, and I was rooting for them all the way. Most critically, they had to overcome significant adversity to get there — their badassery wasn’t just handed to them on a platter because they’re a woman and stamped their feet and went blue in the face like Veruca Salt.
The main problem with modern heroines is that there is no real adversity being overcome. Their personas mirror the already established feminist narrative, specifically that the adversity is intrinsic to their gender. Therefore, by simply existing and not being demure little wallflowers, they’re earning their badassery by default. The problem is that, to those of us who don’t believe in the mystical existence of the patriarchy, these so-called heroines just look like spoiled brats whining about an imaginary friend that won’t let them have a turn. It’s not entertaining, there’s nothing heroic about it, and it is antithetical the entire point of superhero movies — they are supposed to be allegorical figures exemplifying all of the best human traits in overcoming significant adversity. They’re supposed to be something to aspire to, not something to be scorned.
The main problem with modern heroines is that there is no real adversity being overcome. Their personas mirror the already established feminist narrative, specifically that the adversity is intrinsic to their gender. Therefore, by simply existing and not being demure little wallflowers, they’re earning their badassery by default. The problem is that, to those of us who don’t believe in the mystical existence of the patriarchy, these so-called heroines just look like spoiled brats whining about an imaginary friend that won’t let them have a turn. It’s not entertaining, there’s nothing heroic about it, and it is antithetical the entire point of superhero movies — they are supposed to be allegorical figures exemplifying all of the best human traits in overcoming significant adversity. They’re supposed to be something to aspire to, not something to be scorned.
sol_bad
Member
Going right off topic here.
As for Luke, everything fell in his lap too and he could do no wrong. Just happened upon R2D2, just happened to find him in the desert, just happened to come across Obi-Wan. Woops, aunty and uncle are dead so I may as well follow the old guy as there is nothing else to do. The only real decision he made was to help save the princess. And then due to the script he was an incredible X-Wing pilot, we never saw him struggle or learn to use vehicles, he just could.
As someone else pointed out, Carol does struggle to get where she is. We see multiple flashbacks where people are putting her down. She has been told all her life she won't succeed, trying to stop her from being her best self. Then the Kree are literally tying her down and physically stopping her from being her best self. Then at the end of the film she is literally tied down and we see a montage of her standing up at different ages pushing herself to succeed and be her best self, at the same time she breaks free of her Kree chains and becomes her best self.
As for Luke, everything fell in his lap too and he could do no wrong. Just happened upon R2D2, just happened to find him in the desert, just happened to come across Obi-Wan. Woops, aunty and uncle are dead so I may as well follow the old guy as there is nothing else to do. The only real decision he made was to help save the princess. And then due to the script he was an incredible X-Wing pilot, we never saw him struggle or learn to use vehicles, he just could.
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kunonabi
Member
Lol, still peddling the same shit that pretty much ignores the whole movie.
sol_bad
Member
I honestly just want to talk about the Avengers trailer. It's got me pretty damn hyped, watched it 20 times last night.
It's a shame that they showed Tony on Earth, but it's also a good thing. If Feige is to be believed, everything shown is within the first 20 minutes so at least we don't have to see Tony and Nebula drifting in space for an hour or 2.
It's a shame that they showed Tony on Earth, but it's also a good thing. If Feige is to be believed, everything shown is within the first 20 minutes so at least we don't have to see Tony and Nebula drifting in space for an hour or 2.
Papa
Banned
Does this sound like something else to you?
LMJ
Member
I suggest you watch the original infinity war trailer again because I have a feeling the Russo's are playing a trick on us, the original infinity war trailer clearly showed Hulk running behind everyone else in Wakanda a scene that never happened in the actual movie...
If you pay close attention to the people walking in the quantum realm suits scenes you'll notice that only in one shot does the order change, and that's the shot with Tony in it...
In regards to everything else you said about the other MCU characters and how they didn't do anything let alone the ramble you went on with Luke Skywalker, I'm gonna need longer to correct you and type something for that as you are wrong on pretty much every possible note lol
sol_bad
Member
Vicetrailia
Member
I didn't like the trailer but I'm hyped anyway. I for one am glad that Mary Sue is going to kick some ass.
Papa
Banned
I'm not sure, you'd need to give me a hint.
I just realised the bolded text I was referencing was behind the spoiler tag, so I'm not sure if you saw it:
"We see multiple flashbacks where people are putting her down. She has been told all her life she won't succeed, trying to stop her from being her best self. Then the Kree are literally tying her down and physically stopping her from being her best self."
This is patriarchy theory. The Kree are symbolic of men.
TheSadRanger
Banned
You forgot to mention the whole "Captain Marvel was so uninteresting in the comics that Rogue stole her powers in an issue of The Avengers" before she was even in X-Men.
Long live the Queen.
daveonezero
Banned
Fuck I hope they don't ruin this shit. It has been too many movies and too much cool shit that it would suck to have it end lame. Sure there have been some low points but when they get it and they build this universe and do cool shit whit it its really good and really entertaining.
sol_bad
Member
You forgot to mention the whole "Captain Marvel was so uninteresting in the comics that Rogue stole her powers in an issue of The Avengers" before she was even in X-Men.
Long live the Queen.
I really hope this happens in the MCU, really badly. I want real Rogue darn it.
Papa
Banned
SorryPapa , I don't apply politics to the story. The same thing could happen to a young boy. It's all about the family they grow up in. And there are bullies who pick on boys, many movies for example have had scenes where a boy is bullied by a girl in school.
Uh, I'm not asking you to apply it. It's pretty clear what the writers' intentions were. If you choose to cover your ears and close your eyes, that's up to you.
sol_bad
Member
Just like video games, I am happy to and can separate politics and an actors/directors/production crew members personal thoughts from a film. If there are politics played out within the films world/universe/story, that's fine but I don't care about real life politics..
Papa
Banned
Right, and you're allowed to ignore them for the sake of enjoying the movie. But that doesn't mean they aren't there or that anyone who isn't willing to ignore them is wrong.
kunonabi
Member
Sorry
The movie makes a point to only show men bullying her. That isnt an accident. The other non-kree women all talk about how amazing she is. It certainly could be a universal theme but the movie is absolutely coloring it a certain way on purpose and that becomes very clear in the climax.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
0 chance of that happening.
sol_bad
Member
And again, I don't care.
Movies in the 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's had scenes like this and no one gave a shit. Now if a movie has a scene like that people who swing to the right have a big whinge.
Why do you think it won't happen? Do you think they won't put Rogue in an X-Men film?
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
They wont sideline Captain Marvel or make her look weak for political reasons.
sol_bad
Member
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Yeah, just my guess. Maybe I'll be wrong. I just feel like it would be seen as incredibly "misogynistic" to have their feminist flagship heroine get her powers stolen and weakened.
Vicetrailia
Member
It doesn't seem like one side can call the other political, without being political themself. Why else would you notice?
Duallusion
Member
Too bad Thor missed her head at the end but still; cool trailer, hype levels at 100 percent.
5secondrulesucks
Banned
sol_bad said Then the Kree are literally tying her down and physically stopping her from being her best self. lmao her best self hahhahahahaha
Ozymandias013
Banned
Hmmm,it seems War Machine has ..wait for it ,,, a new Rocket Launcher
5secondrulesucks
Banned
if black widow does that stupid head tilt thing then im not fucking watching this movie
You should probably rewatch star wars
Blacknocturno
Neo Member
MetalAlien
Banned
Might be number one, but keep rasing eyebrows and the MCU fans will go the way of the Star Wars fans and move on!
MetalAlien
Banned
They don't look at it like that... the number crunchers will point out it could have made more if they embrace the fans instead of step over them. Sooner or later they will cave or drop the franchise entirely.
Javthusiast
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kunonabi
Member
it will but theres a big chance it doesnt get the end of trilogy bump.
cryptoadam
Banned
So does anyone think there is significance to the black and white parts with just the red in it? Russo's stealing from Spielberg a bit there.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
First Look teaser?
Not sure how these are labeled. We’ve already had teasers and a trailer but this is called a “First Look”
Not sure how these are labeled. We’ve already had teasers and a trailer but this is called a “First Look”
Musky_Cheese
Banned
I am excited.
Maybe with all this resurrection we will surely see, we can get back Michael B Jordan to come back and do a Killmonger/Punisher team up thing.
Space Runaway
Member
Hmmm...Yeah...I'm ready for this movie.
Luffytubby
Member
It was a nice trailer. I've warmed up to MCU since Ragnarok and Spiderman Homecoming. Those sort of turned the franchise around for me.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
CGI can even add personality! Amazing
ResilientBanana
Member
Super mega hype levels from me. Looking back in the thread, I felt Brie's performance as CM was a bit flat. She needs more personality and a lot less smugness. If she is super smug in Endgame, I will be disappointed.