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I feel like Korra was hurt by the limited number of episodes plus the fact that they weren't even sure it would go beyond one season. I'm really excited about the upcoming seasons.
Even then you began to get Japanese shows based on what the US public was supposed to like (chosed by the likes of 4kids or whoever held the rights at the time).
And seriously otakus are absolutely not responsible for the fact that DBZ or Sailor Moon were popular, that notion is even too crazy to even contemplate really.
If you base your understanding of Japanese anime on that, you have absolutely no knowledge of it at all.
It's basically like some guy in Taiwan judging the US filmmaking industry based on summer block busters.
I'm fairly sure there's more to the US film industry than Transformers...
And as far as comparisons goes what's up with comparison stuffs from the 80's/90's with stuffs like Narutaru that is barely 10 years old!
I know DBZ is great and all but can't we lay that to rest and talk about better, newer stuffs?
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Yeah that's been on my radar for a bit. The last few things I have enjoyed were Redline (fucking beautiful production values), TTGL and Gundam Unicorn (but mainly because I just love Universal Century Gundam).
Those are the exceptions. The majoriy of anime has been based off of other work.
I can see this point of view. I wasn't really aware of manga when I first started watching anime. I have noticed that after getting into manga, I've stopped watching the majority of the anime currently out there.
Yeah that's why I said anime is too moe these days. I'm only watching few animes now and the last one I enjoyed was Suisei no Gargantia and mostly because the orignal girls designs was made by one of my fav japanese artists, but this do not make american cartoons better, I miss the 90s times, I don't have kids but I really don't see what kind of cartoons/anime would they see... Nowadays anime seems bleh and seems like companies are only interested into sell merchandise, animation and stories are too simple looks like flash cartoons or mentally handicapped kids.
Definitely. Every week the show surprised me with how it kept raising the bar in quality.
It's in the "nice but I don't understand what the big deal is" tier.
Ok, I will give you a 5er.
I can list some more if you want, and I haven't even got into the Live action shows.
It's a great film by a very talented film maker.
Did someone say "Kingdom"?
LOL This looks so dumb.
ZachDeKoromaru
Banned
Space Bros has been consistently great for more than a year now. Also there's no Western equivalent for Hidamari Sketch so there's now way it could be better.
I haven't been following US animation much, but there's been a lot more good stuff the last few years than Meduka and Kyuubi the Cat. I don't think that was even the best show of its year, personally.
In the last eighteen months, with shows like Hyouka, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Tsuritama, From the New World, Flowers of Evil, and Fate/Zero, things are just about as good as they've ever been. I can't blame people who don't want to take the time to sift through the chaff to find the good stuff, but there's plenty of quality out there. You can look through GAF's AOTY lists for the past few years to see some good recent shows.
In the last eighteen months, with shows like Hyouka, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Tsuritama, From the New World, Flowers of Evil, and Fate/Zero, things are just about as good as they've ever been. I can't blame people who don't want to take the time to sift through the chaff to find the good stuff, but there's plenty of quality out there. You can look through GAF's AOTY lists for the past few years to see some good recent shows.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Ugh, Regular Show is a real bore. They mess up their own jokes half the time. Like in the 100th episode special, there's a scene where Rigby's going to get the hose, and comes back and a goose is already at his face before he can do anything. They ruined the set-up by showing both him and the goose in a frame before doing a face shot of Rigby looking surprised and then one of the goose. They should've showed the frame of them together AFTER all of that. Screwed the order up and everything.
Out of all the episodes, I can only pull up a handful of genuinely funny moments, otherwise it's mediocre.
You have to take everything into context. American shows are making a heavy push to keep their respective networks alive while Japanese shows are catering more and more to their viewers who will willingly go out and buy tons and tons of merch to provide tertiary profits. Oddly it seems easier to do that in japan with shows like DxD or Neptunia or Ry-Kyuu-Buu where the focus is nude 15 year olds.
Personally, I've found myself shifting towards american shows again because they're written much more intelligently. It wasn't always this way though, Zetsubo Sensei, Bakemonogatari, Katanagatari, GITS:SAC, shows that feel like they're written for intelligent individuals are generally extremely entertaining, even if they have pretty heavy pitfalls. But those shows have been pushed off the side for stuff like Sasami@Garabaldi, Nekogatari, DxD, stuff that focuses more on showing girls with outrageous bodies in compromising situations than it does trying to quantify anything going on in the show. The fact that Attack on Titan and wata-moe is the only thing I'm remotely interested in this season says a lot.
Meanwhile, Adventure Time, which at times is trying very hard to be stupid, is written better than 90% of the anime being broadcast in japan. I'd like to chock it up to a bad season over there, but it's been this way for a while, and I don't see things changing any time soon.
Personally, I've found myself shifting towards american shows again because they're written much more intelligently. It wasn't always this way though, Zetsubo Sensei, Bakemonogatari, Katanagatari, GITS:SAC, shows that feel like they're written for intelligent individuals are generally extremely entertaining, even if they have pretty heavy pitfalls. But those shows have been pushed off the side for stuff like Sasami@Garabaldi, Nekogatari, DxD, stuff that focuses more on showing girls with outrageous bodies in compromising situations than it does trying to quantify anything going on in the show. The fact that Attack on Titan and wata-moe is the only thing I'm remotely interested in this season says a lot.
Meanwhile, Adventure Time, which at times is trying very hard to be stupid, is written better than 90% of the anime being broadcast in japan. I'd like to chock it up to a bad season over there, but it's been this way for a while, and I don't see things changing any time soon.
But... it's still (mostly) hand-drawn. And there's still some great animation out there, even in TV shows.
Not helping!
AlimNassor
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Nope. American Cartoons barring a few exceptions tend to be as bad as most Japanese Anime. Cartoons are either A. made for kids so they can't have any adult themes or B. comedy for adults.
Yeah a lotta wonkey-ass 3d in that show.
Did someone say "Kingdom"?
what the hell is this garbage
Black Dynamite is stellar animation quality...but, writing wise it's not as clever as the Boondocks. I know it's Blaxplotation, but compared to the film I think it handles it...in a way I don't like it lol
Now, Superjail and Venture Bros is super top notch quality.
Did someone say "Kingdom"?
I wasn't impressed. Moreover, I feel...disappointed.
hosannainexcelsis
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No, Dragon Ball Z and Yu Yu Hakusho were adapted from popular long-running Shounen Jump manga for little boys, and Sailor Moon was a yearly magical girl show designed to sell merchandise to little girls. "Otaku culture" had nothing to do with their success. In the early 90s when they aired in Japan, the anime otaku market centered on OVAs, not TV shows.
The Japanese equivalent to the much lauded current TMNT. It's just that good.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Yeah, I think a couple of shows like Venture Brothers are the exceptions that prove the rule in American animation right now: if the market was more balanced towards a spread of style and content there would be a lot more shows like VB. There seems to be an audience for it.
Matt I know your blind but come on.
I was using points of reference to things the OP would know as an American. In my first post I put DBZ into the label as a terrible show, which it was/is.
Narutaru was an example of an action anime, that was good, being canned after a season for not being money makers the other three anime I mentioned were. That served an example to show how hard it is to make a good anime since most anime shows pander to the lowest common denominator to suction precious ¥ out of the pockets of Otaku.
Anime is more conservative with its style, yes (I don't see this as a bad thing at all, though), but to suggest that every show looks the same is absolutely ridiculous.
You're not supposed to impressed.
In your face Blaxploitation is harder than it seems, I think Aaron McGruber is finding that out now. I love the Hebrew Hammer, but there are so many parts of that movie revolving around the style that make my skin crawl. Black Dynamite worked as a movie because it was so "shittily done" intentional mistakes everywhere, most of that movie seemed more like a love letter to the grunts in the film industry than it did the general audience.
I am very disappointed this isn't in there somewhere.
He said AS,
Other wise Bobs Burgers and That would have been on this list
Anime is more conservative with its style, yes (I don't see this as a bad thing at all, though), but to suggest that every show looks the same is absolutely ridiculous.
Nichijou is on of the most intelligent experimental sketch comedy shows I have ever seen PERIOD, don't even bother with the fact that it's animated. That show is "Kids in the Hall" "Upright Citizens Brigade" level of brilliant.
And the girls who watched sailormoon grew up to be housewives, and the boys who watched terrible things like DBZ and Yu Yu Hakusho(which was actually a decent Manga before becoming animated garbage) in largne numbers financed, with their money, the lowest common denominator we see in Anime now.
Ok Squidward.
1st Course
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I just wish JP anime studios would make more movies. the 80/90s had so many great movies.
So in short for you we'll never get another sequel to DOGVILLE because it didn't sell like Die Hard 2?
Plenty of good shows are cancelled for no good reasons, that happens literally everywhere in the world.
Did they cancel Futurama because the american public are idiots who only like Columbo?
Because that's the kind of sense you're making.
There's so much more to Anime than Otaku it's pretty funny you'd even link the 2 that way.
Heck we can also explain the recent downfall of Japanese game makers to Otaku too while we're at it.
The age differences, I don't think they mean what you think they mean.
Don't worry: you weren't supposed to be.
The other series you mentioned were meant for kids. Not quite the same target.
Wat. Er... No. Your example certainly didn't do that.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Don't know how I feel about this OP. The only good recent anime I've seen is Zetman and they took a lot of liberties from the manga in doing that. I've heard good stuff about Redline and the Eva remakes, but maybe the Eva remakes shouldn't count b/c they're basically retelling a story from 1995, just modernized
. I'm hoping Space Dandy is something very special.
Attack on Titan,..I'll give get more of a chance. Only saw the 1st episode and it's mostly good, but I'm hoping there's more depth between the lead guy and his sister's personalities (both got slightly annoying in that episode) and the shouting isn't a go-to for conveying emotional drama all the time. I like the time period, but I'm having a hard time buying a little boy being able to kill the Titans unless fantastical powers are involved (actually NOT hoping for that) or they skip ahead and he's a 17/young adult. If he stays the same age and turns out to be better than even the best of the adult soldiers, that's a tough pill to swallow.
Not that a lot of American animation is super-awesome either. Avatar and Korra are okay , Adventure Time's decent at times and Regular show has really been boring outside of a few episodes here and there. Teen Titans GO! is pretty good, tho it's still jarring coming from the more serious series.
I do rate Boondocks and Aqua Teen very high, but Boondocks hasn't had a new season and I haven't seen the new Aqua Teen premiere.
I think out of any current shows on TV the one actually impressing me most is Amazing World of Gumball, but that's a British toon. If CN were smart they'd start promoting it more heavily instead of AT and RS.
vastly simplified
Attack on Titan,..I'll give get more of a chance. Only saw the 1st episode and it's mostly good, but I'm hoping there's more depth between the lead guy and his sister's personalities (both got slightly annoying in that episode) and the shouting isn't a go-to for conveying emotional drama all the time. I like the time period, but I'm having a hard time buying a little boy being able to kill the Titans unless fantastical powers are involved (actually NOT hoping for that) or they skip ahead and he's a 17/young adult. If he stays the same age and turns out to be better than even the best of the adult soldiers, that's a tough pill to swallow.
Not that a lot of American animation is super-awesome either. Avatar and Korra are okay , Adventure Time's decent at times and Regular show has really been boring outside of a few episodes here and there. Teen Titans GO! is pretty good, tho it's still jarring coming from the more serious series.
I do rate Boondocks and Aqua Teen very high, but Boondocks hasn't had a new season and I haven't seen the new Aqua Teen premiere.
I think out of any current shows on TV the one actually impressing me most is Amazing World of Gumball, but that's a British toon. If CN were smart they'd start promoting it more heavily instead of AT and RS.
Thatonemoor
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Op will change his mind when Kill la Kill hits the scene.
AlimNassor
Banned
narutaru was not an action anime...the anime was completely and utterly different to the manga. Narutaru manga was disturbing to say the least. Narutaru's anime was light-hearted and fun, the manga was dark and disturbing, the anime ends right before the manga heads straight into some pretty sick and twisted stuff.
Anime is expensive, and the average person doesn't buy it. They show the shows late at night and early in the morning. Most shows don't sell a lot. The only people buying that expensive anime DVDs are the otaku.
Agree.
You all want another good one with an off the wall art style.
Why aren't you watching this OP. The English dub, watch it NOW.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Surely you jest.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Kingdom apparently. Even 2ch loves it due to how bad the animation quality is.
Which is unfortunate considering the story isnt actually bad and the manga is quite popular.
I laughed.
Some real mental gymnastics going on right now. I want to see the receipts that proves these kids funded anime terrorism.
Agree.
You all want another good one with an off the wall art style.
Why aren't you watching this OP. The English dub, watch it NOW.
Shin Chan's alright. Goes for the easy joke a few too many times, but I was watching it every night on AS when It was on and I had cable and was into watching a lot of TV.
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann? Panty and Stocking with Garter Belt? Little Witch Academia? Tsuritama? Girls Und Panzer? Okami Kodomo? Suisei no Gargantia?.etc
To be saying there's only one good original show these past few years when there plenty of great original shows with different artstyle is quite ignorant of your part.
To be saying there's only one good original show these past few years when there plenty of great original shows with different artstyle is quite ignorant of your part.
It feels more like the first half of the season was actually a half season, and the second half of the season was a season and a half.
It felt like they got a memo that their show was going to be canceled at season's end, when they had already done half the episodes.
Suddenly the villain's plan which has been kind of simmering in the background is
ALL OUT WAR RIGHT NOW EMERGENCY (wait where did all this stuff come from?). And suddenly that kinda shady guy is an overt bad guy, and then he's not because he has to give a giant exposition dump to tell the main characters the previously entirely mysterious villain's deal all at once LITERALLY one episode before the end. Then we're going to spend like a third of the last two action episodes on this character we just introduced because he's the grandkid of someone from the first series, but we don't have time to ACTUALLY give him a character so let's give him the same voice actor as the grandfather instead.
And then SURPRISE YOU LOST YOUR POWERS and there's nothing you can do about it and it's gonna be rough for you to live with, except lol no it's not we solved that shit literally thirty seconds later with an Avatar ex machina.
And then SURPRISE YOU LOST YOUR POWERS and there's nothing you can do about it and it's gonna be rough for you to live with, except lol no it's not we solved that shit literally thirty seconds later with an Avatar ex machina.
it just sort of imploded, and that's a real shame
You should read it instead. That's not even his best work, it is a decent deconstruction of pokemon. Bokurano, a deconstruction of teenage mecha is better. I like Mohiro Kitoh and I mentioned his name far too many times on GAF but anime adaption of his works are usually subpar and far from what I think is the best in anime.
The really good ones are LoGH, Moribito, Master Keaton, Mushishi, Zipang etc. tier
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